mrv52
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Meh. Good luck with your crusade.The skill to score an empty net = skill to score a goal?
Ok
Sure and if you only count odd days too while you are at it.
Meh. Good luck with your crusade.The skill to score an empty net = skill to score a goal?
Ok
Sure and if you only count odd days too while you are at it.
Good point.Adjust eras
Looking at past 30yo would also adjust for era in this situation.Good point.
However, it is possible to argue that with the years, there are new techniques, new equipment and new training methods, etc. So it is hard to speculate how that all come together.
But that is a fair point.
Last I checked, Gretzky is still the top goal scorer and will likely always be, even if is record is passed, due to his dominance with his pass first mentality.
There are indeed a ton of factors that lead to changes in average leave scoring. The great part, is that just looking at the average league scoring numbers encompasses all of those reasons.Good point.
However, it is possible to argue that with the years, there are new techniques, new equipment and new training methods, etc. So it is hard to speculate how that all come together.
But that is a fair point.
Randomly selecting a line where to cut the info isn’t very serious.Looking at past 30yo would also adjust for era in this situation.
Era adjusted (w/o this season because hr site extrapolates unfinished season to a full season)Good point.
Sorta like posting career gpg after eliminating eng's?Randomly selecting a line where to cut the info isn’t very serious.
No doupt that if you take 100 players that score a league average goals, a majority will follow the curve. A little will perform worse and a little will perform better.There are indeed a ton of factors that lead to changes in average leave scoring. The great part, is that just looking at the average league scoring numbers encompasses all of those reasons.
Factually, Hull Jr. Played in a much much higher scoring era. That’s it.
No because you don’t need the same goal scoring skill.Sorta like posting career gpg after eliminating eng's?
What I love about this thread is you can easily tell who doesn't watch the game and just comes to hate on Ovechkin.
His line with Sheary and Strome absolutely dominated the Kraken last night.
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Look at the plays they were making at 5:08. 9 SOG in the game, Grubi stood on his head all game, but the Caps win 4-1 and he's got 1G 1A.
-0,3490 (QoC rel Corsi For %) | ||
80,74 (% of starts in OZ) |
CF%: | 51,70 GF%: 43,33 | |
CF/60: | 63,97 GF/60: 2,023 | |
CA/60: | 59,77 GA/60: 2,646 |
Can you give some out of their control examples?One could throw what if "ifs" into every single players career. Including Gretz , Jagr, Howe, Bossy, Lafleur, Neely etc
So one game says it all?
28 games 385,5 minutes 13,768 minutes per game
-0,3490 (QoC rel Corsi For %) 80,74 (% of starts in OZ)
CF%: 51,70 GF%: 43,33 CF/60: 63,97 GF/60: 2,023 CA/60: 59,77 GA/60: 2,646
I think he is leading his team in %OZ and he is last in QoC rel Corsi For %.
The owner said they would do anything in their power to help OV get the record.
If that is what the boss wants…
Completely disagree with this. Sure. They want to keep ovi happy but the goal is to win games. You really think the coaching staff would risk their careers, now or in the future. It's a professional company with the goal of making money. You do that by winning and staying relevant. Of course they want ovi to get the record but I guarantee every player/coach/video guy/trainer and so on cares a lot more about trying to win games then whatever ovi is doing.
He helps in generation of scoring chances because he is facing the easiest of opposition and he is doing it at 80% in the OZ.I'm not saying one game says it all. The stats you brought up reveal two things.
1. The Caps have been a sub .500 and they get scored on more than they score.
2. Having Ovechkin in the lineup helps with generation of scoring chances, but is not enough to overcome the deficit of talent the Caps have due to aging and injuries (and Ovi is not as dominant as he used to be).
I'm not sure what your point is. He had a great game last night and the Caps look like they might be turning a corner here.
Didn't Gretz have 51Will it really matter if he finishes with 915 career goals with 65 of them being ENGs?
Injuries, lock out, WHA stats not counting , no 3 on 3 overtime, ......etcCan you give some out of their control examples?
0,2922 (QoC rel Corsi For %) | ||
30,25 (% of starts in OZ) |
CF%: | 56,26 GF%: 55,56 | |
CF/60: | 63,16 GF/60: 1,980 | |
CA/60: | 49,11 GA/60: 1,584 |
ovi has a unique role where he floats around saving energy and then gets an easy ride while the other teams players are dead tired. ovi is an amazing goal scorer, but his empty net goals aint nothing impressive at all. he would already have 7 or 8 this season if he had taken his empty net chances, he has actually been poor at it thus far in 2022-23 and yet he is on pace to set a new nhl record again, that says it all about him being fed in a way we´ve not witnessed before in the history of the sport.
as hurricanefanatic pointed out, everyone but ovis fans admits its stat padding of the highest rank. thats whats so annoying.
Last I checked, Gretzky is still the top goal scorer and will likely always be, even if is record is passed, due to his dominance with his pass first mentality.
Despite his pass first mentality.When OV will have the most raw goals, most adjusted goals, only 900 goal scorer, most rockets, most 50/40/30 goal seasons, most road goals, most PPG goals, more top 3/5/10 goal finishes... Gretzky will be the "top goal scorer" because of his passing?
Despite his pass first mentality. I could have worded it more clearly, but it wasn’t that difficult to understand…So Ovechkin is the greatest playmaker of all time due to his goal-first mentality?
He helps in generation of scoring chances because he is facing the easiest of opposition and he is doing it at 80% in the OZ.
The team is maximizing his offensive input, while trying to hide his shortcomings, but it is resulting in bad results.
So far, anyway. Will see how it goes from here.
It's more about how you score empty netters. Ovie is close to having more empty netters this year than 5 on 5 goals. Gretzky padded his 92 goal a season campaign with some empty netters. Ovie is a man on a mission encouraged by his own team. I'm not saying it's wrong, but one should see it for what it is.LOL at people talking trash at Ovi's EN goals as though Gretzky didn't have his fair share as well.
Maybe people should look at the other side of the coin and ask how many GWG Ovechkin also has in his career.
One of the greatest players of his generation and of all-time. Period.
I agree.So what is Ovechkin supposed to do? Have you seen what the Caps roster looks like?
My problem with the Caps management is that they’re relying on a 37 year old Ovechkin to carry them to victory in an increasingly younger league. The Caps have trouble scoring more than 2 goals per game when he doesn’t find the back of the net.
He’s been asked to carry the team for the past 18 years, and now that he is too old to do so, there is no one rising through the ranks to help.