Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

[Fallschirmyager]

Dude, don't sell Matthews short. I was one of the few saying that Ovechkin would break Gretzky's goal record here back in 2013 and even had a few threads about it taken down. And look were we are at now... Matthews has a very special way of scoring goals. It's like the puck just comes to him. He hardly ever has to work in order to score. It looks so effortless when Matthews scores. That will most likely mean that Matthews ages much better than your average hockey player. Plus he spends a lot of time in Sedona Arizona with all those meditating health freaks, so I wouldn't be shocked if Matthews plays hockey well into his 40s just like Ovechkin might do...

The one thing that Matthews has yet to prove is his durability. He's in his peak years right now so he'll run up some great totals but he still has to do this over another decade to truly be considered on Ovi's level. Same thing we've been saying about Ovi catching Gretzky. If memory serves, Matthews has missed more games in his short career than Ovy has in 17. Plus Matthews needs to prove he'll be on the Ovy arc and not a normal goal scorers arc.

 

[Fallschirmyager]

They can't all be masterpeces. Lol.

I am more excited that they ran the table with TBay, the Pens and the Bruins. They seem to be righting the ship after getting crushed by Carolina and the Blues.

He's just torqued that Ovy's 400th was an ENG in Raleigh.

 

[BallardEra]

Also consider the fact that Matthews’ favourite player growing up was Ovie. If healthy I’m sure he’d love to have a shot at tracking down whatever goal total Ovie ends his career with.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Yeah I threw the remote when he scored that goal though. I know the record is important to him and the organization though so I knew he'd get at least one shot at the empty net. When the net was empty I knew he'd be the only Cap to take the shot. No other Capital would get a chance at a freebie, those are all going to Ovi at this point. There is one goal and one goal in mind lol.

Did you watch the caps/pens game yesterday? Caps scored 2 ENGs and OV wasn't even on the ice for either one. Not wanting him to break the record is one thing but making up bs theories is just sad.

 

[powerstuck]

Yeah I threw the remote when he scored that goal though. I know the record is important to him and the organization though so I knew he'd get at least one shot at the empty net. When the net was empty I knew he'd be the only Cap to take the shot. No other Capital would get a chance at a freebie, those are all going to Ovi at this point. There is one goal and one goal in mind lol.

Alex Ovechkin ranks second all-time to Wayne Gretzky, with the Caps' captain scoring 48 of his 775 career goals into an empty net (6.14 percent) compared to Gretzky's 56 out of 894 (6.26 percent).

So Alex still has a few empty net goals to score to even out things with Gretzky.

 

[Demandedace]

Yeah I threw the remote when he scored that goal though. I know the record is important to him and the organization though so I knew he'd get at least one shot at the empty net. When the net was empty I knew he'd be the only Cap to take the shot. No other Capital would get a chance at a freebie, those are all going to Ovi at this point. There is one goal and one goal in mind lol.

Two empty netters yesterday by caps other than Ovi and he wasn’t even on the ice. Solid theory lol

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Did you watch the caps/pens game yesterday? Caps scored 2 ENGs and OV wasn't even on the ice for either one. Not wanting him to break the record is one thing but making up bs theories is just sad.

Also, shooting the puck into the net from your own zone when you’re down a man does take actual skill. Very few of his ENGs have been on the attacking side of the redline.

 

[wetcoast]

Jesus dude. Look at a heat map and figure it out for yourself, stop being the “I’m just asking questions” guy.

It is clear that for all the ways you try to dress it up and act like you aren’t, you’re “only asking questions” that devalue the accomplishment. Never once seen you like “yeah shots drive offense and getting dangerous shots off is a talent you need, nobody makes their shot more dangerous than he does”

Well that's what seems to be missing from your side isn't it, the asking questions part?

Anyone can say anything, it's the scrutiny of asking questions that reveals the truth of the matter and builds a solid foundation for expressed views.

Instead it's a constant stream of wow Ovi is just so awesome in the echochamber and context is never questioned.

Like I started out in this thread the only ones saying that there was any argument that Ovi only scored a lot because he shoots a lot was a misrepresentation from his most avid fans boys.

But you already knew that.

 

[ovikovy817]

haters gonna hate

 

[wetcoast]

Did you watch the caps/pens game yesterday? Caps scored 2 ENGs and OV wasn't even on the ice for either one. Not wanting him to break the record is one thing but making up bs theories is just sad.

I didn't watch it since I was working, was there a reason why he played so few minutes?

Also what was his period by period ice time?

I'm curious because looking at the box score it seems that he was missing icetime before the end of the game already.

 

[TJHKY]

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I didn't watch it since I was working, was there a reason why he played so few minutes?

Also what was his period by period ice time?

I'm curious because looking at the box score it seems that he was missing icetime before the end of the game already.

Ovechkin's last shift ended at 55:41, which looks to match his overall line's last shift:

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[HTFN]

Yeah I threw the remote when he scored that goal though. I know the record is important to him and the organization though so I knew he'd get at least one shot at the empty net. When the net was empty I knew he'd be the only Cap to take the shot. No other Capital would get a chance at a freebie, those are all going to Ovi at this point. There is one goal and one goal in mind lol.

You mean like how yesterday against Pittsburgh the empty net goal scorers were Kuznetsov and Fehevary?

All of you are so bent about something you only pay any attention to when Ovechkin is the one doing it.

 

[wetcoast]

Ovechkin's last shift ended at 55:41, which looks to match his overall line's last shift:

NHL Stats

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Okay thanks I never new NHL.com had this.

 

[wetcoast]

You mean like how yesterday against Pittsburgh the empty net goal scorers were Kuznetsov and Fehevary?

All of you are so bent about something you only pay any attention to when Ovechkin is the one doing it.

This post is so ironic.

 

[Zuluss]

You might want to keep an eye on Mattthews, he has a higher goal scoring floor than Ovechkin and he's scoring at a level right now that Ovechkin never reached...

In his best 2 goal-scoring seasons, Ovechkin led #10 in goals by 63% and 61%
At the moment, Matthews is leading #10 in goals by 53%. Last season, his lead was 57%.
Close, but no cigar.

As for the "higher goal scoring floor", we will see about that in 5 years or so.

 

[M2Beezy]

Obligatory post of the goal.

PS: Man I love this player

 

[Mulletman]

In his best 2 goal-scoring seasons, Ovechkin led #10 in goals by 63% and 61%
At the moment, Matthews is leading #10 in goals by 53%. Last season, his lead was 57%.
Close, but no cigar.

As for the "higher goal scoring floor", we will see about that in 5 years or so.

Dude Ovechkin never scored 51 goals in 50 games like Matthews. And Matthews has spent 6 seasons in the NHL scoring at least 34 goals every season. Ovechkin only managed to score at least 32 goals every season his first 6 years in the league, thus having a lower floor than Matthews...

 

[Mulletman]

The one thing that Matthews has yet to prove is his durability. He's in his peak years right now so he'll run up some great totals but he still has to do this over another decade to truly be considered on Ovi's level. Same thing we've been saying about Ovi catching Gretzky. If memory serves, Matthews has missed more games in his short career than Ovy has in 17. Plus Matthews needs to prove he'll be on the Ovy arc and not a normal goal scorers arc.

Matthews has 258 goals right now and he's 24. When Ovechkin was 24 he had 269 goals. That's just an 11 goal difference. After this Ovechkin followed it up with 32, 38 and 32 goal seasons so in the next 3 years we could see Matthews really pulling away compared to Ovechkin at the same age...

 

[PM88RU]

The hardest part of scoring career is 30+ age for Matthews, it is yet to come.

But have do admit Matthews proved himself as a top scorer for me this year. Got to respect a guy. Peak wise I’m ready to consider him and Ovi in the same tier.

 

[chokei]

It's really pointless to debate Matthews in this context because Ovi and he are in completely different stages of their career. Ovi has had the career to be chasing records now. Matthews has to keep up what he is doing currently to be in the same position come his mid-30s.

After six seasons, Ovi was at around 300 goals, Matthews is at around 260 goals. After these seasons Ovi had a few lower scoring seasons, and Matthews seems to be able to have a few very good seasons coming, so it could even out within the next 5 years. But no one has a crystal ball.

 

[Mulletman]

It's really pointless to debate Matthews in this context because Ovi and he are in completely different stages of their career. Ovi has had the career to be chasing records now. Matthews has to keep up what he is doing currently to be in the same position come his mid-30s.

After six seasons, Ovi was at around 300 goals, Matthews is at around 260 goals. After these seasons Ovi had a few lower scoring seasons, and Matthews seems to be able to have a few very good seasons coming, so it could even out within the next 5 years. But no one has a crystal ball.

You can't look at it like that. Mathews came in at 19 so he's got 1 extra year of hockey compared to Ovechkin. That's why Ovechkin is so special because he's been able to do what he's done despite starting his career when he was 20. But it's also sadly why he'll fall behind Crosby in the long run since Crosby is 2 years younger than Ovechkin and can compile for another extra 2 years to pull away. Hopefully 900+ goals will be enough to keep Ovechkin as the top dog in the long run...

 

[Jets4Life]

Dude Ovechkin never scored 51 goals in 50 games like Matthews. And Matthews has spent 6 seasons in the NHL scoring at least 34 goals every season. Ovechkin only managed to score at least 32 goals every season his first 6 years in the league, thus having a lower floor than Matthews...

Goals in first 6 NHL seasons:

Ovechkin: 301
Matthews: 257

 

[Jets4Life]

You can't look at it like that. Mathews came in at 19 so he's got 1 extra year of hockey compared to Ovechkin. That's why Ovechkin is so special because he's been able to do what he's done despite starting his career when he was 20. But it's also sadly why he'll fall behind Crosby in the long run since Crosby is 2 years younger than Ovechkin and can compile for another extra 2 years to pull away. Hopefully 900+ goals will be enough to keep Ovechkin as the top dog in the long run...

Crosby has a history of concussions, and has missed over three seasons worth of games, while Ovechkin has pretty much been an iron-man for 17 years. There is no question in my mind that Ovi is going to remain in the game past 40, while Crosby may have 3-4 years remaining.

 

[Roshi]

Goals in first 6 NHL seasons:

Ovechkin: 301
Matthews: 257

Whats working for Matthews benefit, is that Matthews after 6 NHL seasons is 24 years old where as Ovechkin was 26 years old.

So even if Matthews has been sidelined with injuries he will have 100+ games in advance for the lockouts. Ovie propably lost atleast 60 goals for the lockouts (say about 40 for 04-05 and 20 for 12-13).

Will be interesting to see how Matthews ages. Right now its looks like he is going to give it a go. 10 years at 50 goal pace would put Matthews at around 760 goals at age 34. How much more he has left at that age, we will wait and see.