Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

kugelbahn · Nov 12, 2024

Randyne said:
He is already #9 Ovechkin's assistant

Cool stats, interesting that *stroms have different A1/A2 ratios.
Would be nice to include num of games where they both played (or shared mins on ice) to get a sense of rate.

kugelbahn · Nov 12, 2024

Also unassisted is ranked #9. I wonder how many secondary assists truly were OVs own assists (through primary assistant), too bad it is not tracked.

Randyne · Nov 12, 2024

kugelbahn said:
Cool stats, interesting that *stroms have different A1/A2 ratios.
Would be nice to include num of games where they both played (or shared mins on ice) to get a sense of rate.

Sorry, I don't have premium access to naturalstattrick.com )

kugelbahn said:
Also unassisted is ranked #9. I wonder how many secondary assists truly were OVs own assists (through primary assistant), too bad it is not tracked.

A lot, about 100, IMO. This season 4-5 already.

Zuluss · Nov 12, 2024

kugelbahn said:
Cool stats, interesting that *stroms have different A1/A2 ratios.

That just means Caps' PP is not currently working. On PP, Backstrom's job was to throw the puck back to Carlson/Green, who then would very quickly pass to OV in the left circle, and that's how Backstrom got a lot of A2, and Carlson/Green got a huge number of A1 for a defenseman.

Randyne · Nov 12, 2024

Zuluss said:
That just means Caps' PP is not currently working. On PP, Backstrom's job was to throw the puck back to Carlson/Green, who then would very quickly pass to OV in the left circle, and that's how Backstrom got a lot of A2, and Carlson/Green got a huge number of A1 for a defenseman.

Also Carlson got so many primaries by passing back to Ovechkin immediately after recieving Ovechkin's pass.

pezpunk · Nov 12, 2024

Randyne said:
He is already #9 Ovechkin's assistant:

# player A1 A2 A # player A1 A2 A
1
Nicklas Bäckström
136
143
279
61
Nic Dowd
3
1
4
2
John Carlson
100
52
152
62
Nick Jensen
0
4
4
3
Evgeny Kuznetsov
68
42
110
63
Connor McMichael
2
1
3
4
Mike Green
48
22
70
64
Eric Fehr
1
2
3
5
Marcus Johansson
31
27
58
65
Garnet Hathaway
2
1
3
6
T.J. Oshie
21
27
48
66
John Erskine
1
2
3
7
Tom Wilson
25
22
47
67
Justin Schultz
2
1
3
8
Alexander Semin
32
13
45
68
Mathieu Biron
1
2
3
9
Dylan Strome
23
13
36
69
Richard Zedník
2
1
3
10
Dmitry Orlov
21
14
35
70
Sonny Milano
1
2
3
11
Brooks Laich
17
9
26
71
Steven Oleksy
2
1
3
12
Dainius Zubrus
17
9
26
72
Travis Boyd
1
2
3
13
Viktor Kozlov
14
7
21
73
Tyler Sloan
1
2
3
14
Karl Alzner
12
8
20
74
Alexandre Giroux
1
1
2
15
Jeff Schultz
8
11
19
75
Beck Malenstyn
2
0
2
16
Matt Niskanen
11
7
18
76
Daniel Sprong
2
0
2
17
Tom Poti
10
7
17
77
David Steckel
2
0
2
18
Chris Clark
12
4
16
78
Ilya Kovalchuk
1
1
2
19
Troy Brouwer
7
8
15
79
Jack Hillen
1
1
2
20
Mike Knuble
7
7
14
80
Jay Beagle
2
0
2
21
Michael Nylander
8
5
13
81
Jonas Siegenthaler
2
0
2
22
Mike Ribeiro
7
6
13
82
Keith Aucoin
1
1
2
23
Conor Sheary
7
4
11
83
Kevin Shattenkirk
2
0
2
24
Jason Chimera
5
6
11
84
Radko Gudas
0
2
2
25
Shaone Morrisonn
5
6
11
85
Hendrix Lapierre
0
2
2
26
Brian Pothier
5
5
10
86
Madison Bowey
0
2
2
27
Jakub Vrána
3
7
10
87
Martin Erat
0
2
2
28
Jamie Heward
4
6
10
88
Martin Fehérváry
0
2
2
29
Milan Jurčina
3
7
10
89
Zdeno Chára
0
2
2
30
Bryan Muir
8
1
9
90
Alex Chiasson
1
0
1
31
Dennis Wideman
3
6
9
91
Brendan Witt
1
0
1
32
Aliaksei Protas
4
4
8
92
Brenden Dillon
1
0
1
33
Anthony Mantha
3
5
8
93
Bryan Helmer
1
0
1
34
Joel Ward
3
5
8
94
Devante Smith-Pelly
1
0
1
35
Lars Eller
4
4
8
95
Dylan McIlrath
1
0
1
36
Sergei Fedorov
3
5
8
96
Jason Arnott
1
0
1
37
Steve Eminger
4
4
8
97
Joe Motzko
1
0
1
38
Brian Willsie
5
2
7
98
Lawrence Nycholat
1
0
1
39
Brooks Orpik
6
1
7
99
Mathieu Perreault
1
0
1
40
Jeff Halpern
4
3
7
100
Matt Hendricks
1
0
1
41
Tomáš Fleischmann
3
4
7
101
Max Pacioretty
1
0
1
42
Trevor van Riemsdyk
5
2
7
102
Michal Neuvirth
1
0
1
43
André Burakovsky
3
3
6
103
Sami Lepistö
1
0
1
44
Ben Clymer
2
4
6
104
Tomáš Vokoun
1
0
1
45
Erik Gustafsson
5
1
6
105
Vincent Iorio
1
0
1
46
Mikhail Grabovski
4
2
6
106
Nolan Yonkman
0
1
1
47
Rasmus Sandin
4
2
6
107
Alexander Alexeyev
0
1
1
48
Brett Connolly
1
4
5
108
Braden Holtby
0
1
1
49
Brian Sutherby
3
2
5
109
Donald Brashear
0
1
1
50
Christian Djoos
5
0
5
110
Gabriel Carlsson
0
1
1
51
Jiří Novotný
3
2
5
111
Ivan Majeský
0
1
1
52
Justin Williams
2
3
5
112
Ivan Miroshnichenko
0
1
1
53
Matt Bradley
3
2
5
113
José Théodore
0
1
1
54
Matt Pettinger
1
4
5
114
Marco Sturm
0
1
1
55
Michal Kempný
2
3
5
115
Mathieu Perreault
0
1
1
56
Olaf Kölzig
0
5
5
116
Rico Fata
0
1
1
57
Andrew Cassels
3
1
4
117
Scott Hannan
0
1
1
58
Boyd Gordon
2
2
4
118
Taylor Chorney
0
1
1
59
Brendan Morrison
2
2
4
total
820
645
1465
60
Nate Schmidt
2
2
4
unassisted
43

ugh so many dudes on that list that played opposite Ovi for so long who had zero finish to their game. If Poti, Brouwer, Chimera, or Mojo could hit the broad side of a barn, Ovi would have 100 more assists on his career. His playmaking has always been way underrated due to having stonehanded crosseyed guys receiving many of his best passes.

Nsjohnson · Nov 12, 2024

pi314 said:
And what matters is how many goals MORE than the other team you score.

A guy can score 100 goals and if it leads to 101 against they are still a loser.

You guys want to ignore what a black hole of defense he is.

The worst defensive player I have seen in my lifetime.

I'm beginning to think this is satire. Is this satire?

Ovechkin, as agreed by every single professional player including #99 (will you actually try to convince us that YOU know better than Wayne?) has been a top 5 most valuable player in the league for the tenure of his career.

Your disdain for him goes way past hockey. You just won't come out and say it.

The hockey universe holds loves him. You had a very particular obsession with dismantling reality to prove a point- much like saying to all those around you the sky is green, and no matter how many people say it is blue, can be proved to be blue, you will say the sky is green and it has wronged you.

Hockey Outsider · Nov 12, 2024

Toby91ca said:
There is no doubt, he's been one of the best in terms of availability during his career, I don't doubt that and his numbers here look accurate (I checked)....but not sure about the accuracy or completeness of the rest of the table....for example....where is Kessel? I think his career would be at 97.3%. Also, I'm pretty sure Jarvis is 100%, he played in 964 games in his career and they were all consecutive. Where is Yandle? He's around 95.2% and what about Larmer....he's over 98%

There was a comment near the end - the database I pulled this from only covers 1960 to 2020 (except Ovechkin, who I calculated manually).

(Also, it's only for players who played in at least 20 years. None of Larmer, Jarvis, Kessel and Yandle qualify).

SeanMoneyHands · Nov 12, 2024

Gnome17 · Nov 12, 2024

pi314 said:
And what matters is how many goals MORE than the other team you score.

A guy can score 100 goals and if it leads to 101 against they are still a loser.

You guys want to ignore what a black hole of defense he is.

The worst defensive player I have seen in my lifetime.

I mean hes still a plus player, similar plus/minus as Malkin, higher than Patrick Kane, Stamkos, Giroux etc etc.
If you count power play goals hes been on the ice for about 350 more goals for than against, that competes with almost anyone.

pi314 · Nov 12, 2024

Nsjohnson said:
I'm beginning to think this is satire. Is this satire?

Ovechkin, as agreed by every single professional player including #99 (will you actually try to convince us that YOU know better than Wayne?) has been a top 5 most valuable player in the league for the tenure of his career.

Your disdain for him goes way past hockey. You just won't come out and say it.

The hockey universe holds loves him. You had a very particular obsession with dismantling reality to prove a point- much like saying to all those around you the sky is green, and no matter how many people say it is blue, can be proved to be blue, you will say the sky is green and it has wronged you.

Or he just actually sucks at defense and you’re in denial.

Toby91ca · Nov 13, 2024

Hockey Outsider said:
There was a comment near the end - the database I pulled this from only covers 1960 to 2020 (except Ovechkin, who I calculated manually).

(Also, it's only for players who played in at least 20 years. None of Larmer, Jarvis, Kessel and Yandle qualify).

If it's only for the last 20 years, then why do we care about 1960-2000 (I guess that's just because of the database). Kessel and Yandle obviously played in the last 20 years (last couple or last few for each not included.....so not sure how their stats would come out.....but again, doesn't this make the list kind of irrelevant if you are missing people....sounds like you fixed or added missing data for Ovechkin but nobody else.

KevinFinnerty · Nov 13, 2024

Let's gooo Ovi

BallardEra · Nov 13, 2024

‘He just loves goals’: Inside Alex Ovechkin’s record chase

To see him at work, this strange blend of natural ease and intense concentration, you wouldn't guess that Alex Ovechkin is chasing history. You'd imagine he'd already written it. From teammates to opponents, Luke Fox takes a look inside Ovi's chase for history.

www.sportsnet.ca

ghostingtaro · Nov 13, 2024

31 more to go :scared:

The Pale King · Nov 13, 2024

Ovi would be pushing 1100+ goals if he got to play with prime Jari Kurri and Paul Coffey, not to mention facing whoever 1980-88 Winnipeg and Vancouver were trotting out between the pipes 14 times a season.

Ignatius · Nov 14, 2024

SeanMoneyHands said:
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Some will disagree but I like the dark blue helmets with the white uniform set. I like the trend of colored helmets with a white uniform set in general.

CDN24 · Nov 14, 2024

The Pale King said:
Ovi would be pushing 1100+ goals if he got to play with prime Jari Kurri and Paul Coffey, not to mention facing whoever 1980-88 Winnipeg and Vancouver were trotting out between the pipes 14 times a season.

Not disagreeing but OVI did have the benefit of playing in that old southeast Division and beating up on the Thrashers/Canes/Panthers and Lightening who were all awful back then. If you look at OVI's Goals by opponent. His best is 55 against the Thrashers/Jets Franchise, that is 6 years as Thrashers and 13 as Jets only playing Jets 2x a year. Had That team stayed in Atlanta he probably already has the record.

Randyne · Nov 14, 2024

CDN24 said:
Not disagreeing but OVI did have the benefit of playing in that old southeast Division

He didn't have the benefit of playing in that old southeast Division:
only 123 G in 203 GP =.606 GPG which is lower than GPG vs other divisions back then (.623).

CDN24 · Nov 14, 2024

Randyne said:
He didn't have the benefit of playing in that old southeast Division:
only 123 G in 203 GP =.606 GPG which is lower than GPG vs other divisions back then (.623).

Well he scored 30G in 25 games against The Thrashers

Randyne · Nov 14, 2024

CDN24 said:
Well he scored 30G in 25 games against The Thrashers

30G in 42 games

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Warh1ppy · Nov 14, 2024

Just curious,

Did someone post something a while back about Ovis sticks coming from a place in Manitoba after the issues he had with CCM/Bauer??

Jovavic · Nov 14, 2024

ViD said:
A lot of people are forgetting what kind of a player Ovechkin was in his prime, a truly unique mix of skill, speed and power, he could single-handedly take over a game by hitting, dangling, shooting. In today’s NHL only McDavid could score goals like in this reel thanks to his skating and puck handling

His very first game, he trucks Klesla and scores two

BallardEra · Nov 16, 2024

From NHL.com:

"Capitals forward Alex Ovechkin (10 goals, 10 assists in 16 games) had an assist to join Gordie Howe (six goals, 18 assists in 1968-69) as the second player 39 or older to record 20 points through the first 16 games of a season"

Alexander the Gr8 · Nov 16, 2024

Warh1ppy said:
Just curious,

Did someone post something a while back about Ovis sticks coming from a place in Manitoba after the issues he had with CCM/Bauer??

Yeah, they’re made by a small entrepreneur who runs an online store called “Pro Stock Hockey Sticks”.

#	player	A1	A2	A	#	player	A1	A2	A
1	Nicklas Bäckström	136	143	279	61	Nic Dowd	3	1	4
2	John Carlson	100	52	152	62	Nick Jensen	0	4	4
3	Evgeny Kuznetsov	68	42	110	63	Connor McMichael	2	1	3
4	Mike Green	48	22	70	64	Eric Fehr	1	2	3
5	Marcus Johansson	31	27	58	65	Garnet Hathaway	2	1	3
6	T.J. Oshie	21	27	48	66	John Erskine	1	2	3
7	Tom Wilson	25	22	47	67	Justin Schultz	2	1	3
8	Alexander Semin	32	13	45	68	Mathieu Biron	1	2	3
9	Dylan Strome	23	13	36	69	Richard Zedník	2	1	3
10	Dmitry Orlov	21	14	35	70	Sonny Milano	1	2	3
11	Brooks Laich	17	9	26	71	Steven Oleksy	2	1	3
12	Dainius Zubrus	17	9	26	72	Travis Boyd	1	2	3
13	Viktor Kozlov	14	7	21	73	Tyler Sloan	1	2	3
14	Karl Alzner	12	8	20	74	Alexandre Giroux	1	1	2
15	Jeff Schultz	8	11	19	75	Beck Malenstyn	2	0	2
16	Matt Niskanen	11	7	18	76	Daniel Sprong	2	0	2
17	Tom Poti	10	7	17	77	David Steckel	2	0	2
18	Chris Clark	12	4	16	78	Ilya Kovalchuk	1	1	2
19	Troy Brouwer	7	8	15	79	Jack Hillen	1	1	2
20	Mike Knuble	7	7	14	80	Jay Beagle	2	0	2
21	Michael Nylander	8	5	13	81	Jonas Siegenthaler	2	0	2
22	Mike Ribeiro	7	6	13	82	Keith Aucoin	1	1	2
23	Conor Sheary	7	4	11	83	Kevin Shattenkirk	2	0	2
24	Jason Chimera	5	6	11	84	Radko Gudas	0	2	2
25	Shaone Morrisonn	5	6	11	85	Hendrix Lapierre	0	2	2
26	Brian Pothier	5	5	10	86	Madison Bowey	0	2	2
27	Jakub Vrána	3	7	10	87	Martin Erat	0	2	2
28	Jamie Heward	4	6	10	88	Martin Fehérváry	0	2	2
29	Milan Jurčina	3	7	10	89	Zdeno Chára	0	2	2
30	Bryan Muir	8	1	9	90	Alex Chiasson	1	0	1
31	Dennis Wideman	3	6	9	91	Brendan Witt	1	0	1
32	Aliaksei Protas	4	4	8	92	Brenden Dillon	1	0	1
33	Anthony Mantha	3	5	8	93	Bryan Helmer	1	0	1
34	Joel Ward	3	5	8	94	Devante Smith-Pelly	1	0	1
35	Lars Eller	4	4	8	95	Dylan McIlrath	1	0	1
36	Sergei Fedorov	3	5	8	96	Jason Arnott	1	0	1
37	Steve Eminger	4	4	8	97	Joe Motzko	1	0	1
38	Brian Willsie	5	2	7	98	Lawrence Nycholat	1	0	1
39	Brooks Orpik	6	1	7	99	Mathieu Perreault	1	0	1
40	Jeff Halpern	4	3	7	100	Matt Hendricks	1	0	1
41	Tomáš Fleischmann	3	4	7	101	Max Pacioretty	1	0	1
42	Trevor van Riemsdyk	5	2	7	102	Michal Neuvirth	1	0	1
43	André Burakovsky	3	3	6	103	Sami Lepistö	1	0	1
44	Ben Clymer	2	4	6	104	Tomáš Vokoun	1	0	1
45	Erik Gustafsson	5	1	6	105	Vincent Iorio	1	0	1
46	Mikhail Grabovski	4	2	6	106	Nolan Yonkman	0	1	1
47	Rasmus Sandin	4	2	6	107	Alexander Alexeyev	0	1	1
48	Brett Connolly	1	4	5	108	Braden Holtby	0	1	1
49	Brian Sutherby	3	2	5	109	Donald Brashear	0	1	1
50	Christian Djoos	5	0	5	110	Gabriel Carlsson	0	1	1
51	Jiří Novotný	3	2	5	111	Ivan Majeský	0	1	1
52	Justin Williams	2	3	5	112	Ivan Miroshnichenko	0	1	1
53	Matt Bradley	3	2	5	113	José Théodore	0	1	1
54	Matt Pettinger	1	4	5	114	Marco Sturm	0	1	1
55	Michal Kempný	2	3	5	115	Mathieu Perreault	0	1	1
56	Olaf Kölzig	0	5	5	116	Rico Fata	0	1	1
57	Andrew Cassels	3	1	4	117	Scott Hannan	0	1	1
58	Boyd Gordon	2	2	4	118	Taylor Chorney	0	1	1
59	Brendan Morrison	2	2	4		total	820	645	1465
60	Nate Schmidt	2	2	4		unassisted	43

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