Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

[WarriorofTime]

Significant evolution in goaltender equipment over the past forever has allowed today's goaltenders to be consistently less "shitty". For instance, the improvement in facial technology has made the butterfly save style (specifically, the putting of one's head in the middle of the net when going into the butterfly) a feasible style. Goaltenders used to try and get in position and then tuck their head behind a screen to protect their face.

More generally, everything's been evolving. If you start Ovechkin's career in the 1980s, he gets 1980s skates, 1980s sticks, 1980s goons, and a 1980s fitness regimen.

Ovechkin would have absolutely destroyed the Mickey Mouse goaltending of the 1980s, who gives a crap about "1980s stick".. everyone that played then had 1980s sticks and even average players like Eddie Olczyk were still well over a Point Per Game. The 1980s was a ridiculously favorable era for Forwards, the goaltending was terrible, defensive teams were non-existent the league's talent was significantly watered down via expansion without a corresponding influx of talent so you had bottom six players that looked like they could barely skate and kept jobs by being bare knuckle ice boxers. Any star player of today would have absolutely ripped through the 1980s with insane point totals. People would have to be in total delusion to deny it. It's right there in the data.

Funny how lots of these 80s “guys” played until they were almost 40 so some of them were in the league with Ovechkin, and many of them faced the same goaltenders that Ovechkin did.

For example, Mario Lemieux scored a hat trick and a bunch of 2 goal games against Martin Brodeur, but Ovechkin never scored a hat trick on Martin Brodeur — despite the fact that Ovechkin got to play against him when he was old and senile on a shoddy Devils team & Lemieux did it in the heart of the dead puck era when the Devils were the Trappiest team in history.

There are many examples like this to draw from. You “era effect” goofballs are acting like the 90’s is the 1890’s. The same guys played and slayed across these vastly different “eras”. Mario Lemieux had 35 goals in 43 games in 2002-03.

A 33 year old Jaromir Jagr scored 54 goals to a 20 year old Ovechkin 52 in 2005-06.

Jagr outscored Ovechkin when he was out of his prime and old. If you go back just a few years before that, he was putting up more points in a season than Ovechkin could ever Dream of, & he was ALWAYS 2nd fiddle to Lemieux.

Was that a completely different era? Or was it literally the exact same season.

Ridiculous Argument that is not backed up by any data or reality.

A washed up 36 year old Teemu Selanne scored 48 goals to 21 year old Alex Ovechkin‘s 46.

When Teemu was that age, he was playing in his rookie season and putting up 76 goals on goalies like Martin Brodeur and Patrick Roy. Scoring on them a lot more than Ovechkin ever did. Hell, when Teemu was FORTY (40) he had .42 goals per game (31 goals) to Ovechkin’s .40 goals per game.

We don’t need to break out the quantum algebra. These guys played in the same era and were better scorers against the same goalies.

DUMB. ARGUMENT.

All you've done is show that Mario Lemieux, Jaromir Jagr and Teemu Selanne were awfully good... Yeah nobody ever disputed that.

I do love that a late-prime Jagr scoring 2 more goals than a Rookie Ovechkin is some big "mic drop" moment. Lol. Is 33 "washed" now for a guy that played in the NHL into his mid-40s?

 

[Weztex]

Ovechkin would have absolutely destroyed the Mickey Mouse goaltending of the 1980s, who gives a crap about "1980s stick".. everyone that played then had 1980s sticks and even average players like Eddie Olczyk were still well over a Point Per Game. The 1980s was a ridiculously favorable era for Forwards, the goaltending was terrible, defensive teams were non-existent the league's talent was significantly watered down via expansion without a corresponding influx of talent so you had bottom six players that looked like they could barely skate and kept jobs by being bare knuckle ice boxers. Any star player of today would have absolutely ripped through the 1980s with insane point totals. People would have to be in total delusion to deny it. It's right there in the data.

Ovechkin would have 0 goals if he played in the 80's because he would be stuck in USSR playing for CSKA Moscow. Those star players of today would be completely different than the players we see. Today's players weren't magically born better at hockey. Elite players don't have more upside now than they did 35 years ago. They only have better means to reach it. Unless you think that all of the greatest players ever were born in the same generation that reasoning makes no sense.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Ovechkin would have 0 goals if he played in the 80's because he would be stuck in USSR playing for CSKA Moscow. Those star players of today would be completely different than the players we see. Today's players weren't magically born better at hockey. Elite players don't have more upside now than they did 35 years ago. They only have better means to reach it. Unless you think that all of the greatest players ever were born in the same generation that reasoning makes no sense.

You can't just deny that the star players of then had a far easier time putting up insane point totals, unless YOU'RE doing what you accuse me of doing. The highest scoring "birth years" in NHL history were all born between 1960 and 1966. Source: NHL Totals by Birth Year - Career Stats Do you think that's a coincidence? That there was something in the water in Canada that made babies born then better stick handlers and at shooting a puck than any other generation? Nah, it's just the era they played in. Simple as that.

 

[Weztex]

You can't just deny that the star players of then had a far easier time putting up insane point totals, unless YOU'RE doing what you accuse me of doing. The highest scoring "birth years" in NHL history were all born between 1960 and 1966. Source: NHL Totals by Birth Year - Career Stats Do you think that's a coincidence? That there was something in the water in Canada that made babies born then better stick handlers and at shooting a puck than any other generation? Nah, it's just the era they played in. Simple as that.

I think you misunderstood me by a mile. Everyone knows that the 80's style of play, unbalanced depth and still rudimentary goalie equipment resulted in the highest scoring era in NHL's history. But thinking that today's stars would have somewhat destroyed the league had they played back then is a naive conclusion. Today's players would not be playing 2020's hockey in 1985. They'd be the same level as anyone else.

 

[Doctor No]

Ovechkin would have absolutely destroyed the Mickey Mouse goaltending of the 1980s, who gives a crap about "1980s stick".. everyone that played then had 1980s sticks and even average players like Eddie Olczyk were still well over a Point Per Game. The 1980s was a ridiculously favorable era for Forwards, the goaltending was terrible, defensive teams were non-existent the league's talent was significantly watered down via expansion without a corresponding influx of talent so you had bottom six players that looked like they could barely skate and kept jobs by being bare knuckle ice boxers. Any star player of today would have absolutely ripped through the 1980s with insane point totals. People would have to be in total delusion to deny it. It's right there in the data.

Thank you for your contribution!

 

[filinski77]

Funny how lots of these 80s “guys” played until they were almost 40 so some of them were in the league with Ovechkin, and many of them faced the same goaltenders that Ovechkin did.

For example, Mario Lemieux scored a hat trick and a bunch of 2 goal games against Martin Brodeur, but Ovechkin never scored a hat trick on Martin Brodeur — despite the fact that Ovechkin got to play against him when he was old and senile on a shoddy Devils team & Lemieux did it in the heart of the dead puck era when the Devils were the Trappiest team in history.

There are many examples like this to draw from. You “era effect” goofballs are acting like the 90’s is the 1890’s. The same guys played and slayed across these vastly different “eras”. Mario Lemieux had 35 goals in 43 games in 2002-03.

A 33 year old Jaromir Jagr scored 54 goals to a 20 year old Ovechkin 52 in 2005-06.

Jagr outscored Ovechkin when he was out of his prime and old. If you go back just a few years before that, he was putting up more points in a season than Ovechkin could ever Dream of, & he was ALWAYS 2nd fiddle to Lemieux.

Was that a completely different era? Or was it literally the exact same season.

Ridiculous Argument that is not backed up by any data or reality.

A washed up 36 year old Teemu Selanne scored 48 goals to 21 year old Alex Ovechkin‘s 46.

When Teemu was that age, he was playing in his rookie season and putting up 76 goals on goalies like Martin Brodeur and Patrick Roy. Scoring on them a lot more than Ovechkin ever did. Hell, when Teemu was FORTY (40) he had .42 goals per game (31 goals) to Ovechkin’s .40 goals per game.

We don’t need to break out the quantum algebra. These guys played in the same era and were better scorers against the same goalies.

DUMB. ARGUMENT.

You are so out of touch with reality.

First off: You can't just use single games or single seasons for a select few players to act like the WHOLE ERA acts one way or another
NHL players have ups and downs and put up seasons that are higher than normal, so you cherry picking single seasons is extremely ignorant.

Lemieux: Had that 35 in 43 (67 goal pace), but it was clear it was just a hot streak as he then went on to put up 82 gp paces of 21/10/8/22 goals

Jagr: Scored those 54 goals, but then went on to never score more than 30 goals

Selanne: Had full seasons of 29 goals, 28 goals, 16 goals before having a bounce back on a new team of 40 and 48 goals, before returning to a 30 goal player. Once again, an obvious example of just having an unusually good year (which happens).

Take it further and look at Sakic: 30-35 goal scorer, hit 54 in 2000/2001 and then went back to being a 30-35 goal scorer.

Conclusion: Using 1-2 year samples for a few players that were very obvious hot streaks proves nothing, and really shows your lack of comprehension on this subject.

Secondly: Look at the data. Simple as that.
There is SO much data out there that you can look at to see that overall league scoring was higher in the 80's/90's. This is further substantiated by the average scoring of the 1st/5th/10th/20th/30th etc. place goal scorer. Now I'm not one to say Ovechkin would score 80-90 year-in year-out if he played back then, but he would definitely score a hell of a lot more goals. His consistent 50 goal seasons would probably be consistent 70 goal seasons, and he'd still likely have a shit ton of (retro) rockets.

 

[wetcoast]

Do PP goals count as much as ES goals? And if you think Ovis time on the PP makes up for Gretzky, Hull & Bossy playing in the much much much more high scoring 1980-1995 period, you´re straight up ill-informed. So go ahead and look at the difference in average goals scored per game in the 80s to early 90s and compare it to Ovis time in the league.

Face it, your argument sucked. It's ok to still prefer Lemieux, had he been healthy he would probably have the record. But he wasn't. Too bad.

Of course scoring was higher in the 80s but why do you continue to quote me as saying stuff I don't say?

I asked a really simple question which doesn't even require an answer from you as anyone can see it in the statistical record.

More goals are scored on PP TOI than at ES TOI as a percentage of the TOI.

My "argument didn't suck" as it's not even an argument but an observation on that statistical fact.

Your distraction here is farther proof to that point and it seems like you are arguing with yourself here.

 

[alphahelix]

But Ovi scored 65 one season which is more than any of your example players have scored in the "modern" era except Selänne in 92-93 which is the highest scoring season in NHL history and goals per game wise very much part of the 80s mold. Mogilny also scored 76 goals that season. 14 players scored 50 goals and 5 players scored 60+. Quite the cherrypicking going on here.

If you insist on using single season numbers as an example of all-time greatness, which i would advise against for the sake of logic.

Why would you lie like that? The numbers are right there for everyone to look at.

Brett Hull scored 86 goals in the ’90s. He had a 35 goal lead on 2nd place, btw. Ovechkin hasn’t come within 1000 miles of this type of achievement.

Gretzky scored 92 (28 more than 2nd place - which was Bossy btw, a guy who also has a strong claim at best goal scorer of all time with 3 straight 17 goal seasons in the playoffs damn-near GPG).

Theres over 20 better goals per game seasons than Ovechkin’s best.

And for those “ooh the average goals per game was more” ... the 1995-96 season had about the same goals per game as the 2005-06 season. Lemieux put up 69 goals which is more than Ovechkin ever scored (and Jagr, who also out scored Ovechkin 10 years later, put up 62).

The dead puck era CAME AND WENT before Ovechkin hit the league in the 20%-More-PP-Era. And all of these guys we’re talking about played right through that dead puck era often scoring 50+.

When you look at the early 80’s you’re looking at a league with half the teams and half the players of todays NHL, and 1 or 2 guys scoring 90+ goals has an outsized effect on scoring. Guys like Gretzky lapped the league by a huge standard, the 1 or 2 guys who could hang within 30 goals of him were also generational scorers that have had better runs than Ovechkin.

Ovechkin is proving to have the best longevity of any goal scorer as the years run on, and its impressive. But he is way behind the actual best goalscorers of all time in areas that matter most (i.e. Goals per game in the playoffs, Level of performance above peers in an equal environment, Raw peak-age goal scoring).

 

[YippieKaey]

Why would you lie like that? The numbers are right there for everyone to look at.

Brett Hull scored 86 goals in the ’90s. He had a 35 goal lead on 2nd place, btw. Ovechkin hasn’t come within 1000 miles of this type of achievement.

Gretzky scored 92 (28 more than 2nd place - which was Bossy btw, a guy who also has a strong claim at best goal scorer of all time with 3 straight 17 goal seasons in the playoffs damn-near GPG).

Theres over 20 better goals per game seasons than Ovechkin’s best.

And for those “ooh the average goals per game was more” ... the 1995-96 season had about the same goals per game as the 2005-06 season. Lemieux put up 69 goals which is more than Ovechkin ever scored (and Jagr, who also out scored Ovechkin 10 years later, put up 62).

The dead puck era CAME AND WENT before Ovechkin hit the league in the 20%-More-PP-Era. And all of these guys we’re talking about played right through that dead puck era often scoring 50+.

When you look at the early 80’s you’re looking at a league with half the teams and half the players of todays NHL, and 1 or 2 guys scoring 90+ goals has an outsized effect on scoring. Guys like Gretzky lapped the league by a huge standard, the 1 or 2 guys who could hang within 30 goals of him were also generational scorers that have had better runs than Ovechkin.

Ovechkin is proving to have the best longevity of any goal scorer as the years run on, and its impressive. But he is way behind the actual best goalscorers of all time in areas that matter most (i.e. Goals per game in the playoffs, Level of performance above peers in an equal environment, Raw peak-age goal scoring).

But all those seasons happened in a very different era of hockey. That's my point. And the original poster was using 92-93 as an example, a season which had like 12 50 goals scorers. During Ovi's period, it was usually just him and maybe one other guy scoring 50. Dominance over peers is a pretty good measuring stick.

 

[AD1066]

Why would you lie like that? The numbers are right there for everyone to look at.

Brett Hull scored 86 goals in the ’90s. He had a 35 goal lead on 2nd place, btw. Ovechkin hasn’t come within 1000 miles of this type of achievement.

In the first year of the 90s, well before the dead-puck era. It was also the greatest single adjusted goal scoring season of all-time.

Gretzky scored 92 (28 more than 2nd place - which was Bossy btw, a guy who also has a strong claim at best goal scorer of all time with 3 straight 17 goal seasons in the playoffs damn-near GPG).

Bossy is closer to being outside the top 5 than he is to being the greatest. The relative difficulty of scoring 50 goals was much lower back then. If someone today scored 38+ goals for 10 seasons, we wouldn't call them the greatest of all time, but that's roughly the equivalent of what Bossy did.

And Gretzky's 92 and Ovechkin's 65 are extremely close when compared to league-wide scoring levels, as two of the greatest seasons of all-time.

Theres over 20 better goals per game seasons than Ovechkin’s best.

The relative difficulty of scoring a goal changes over time. In the 80s it was roughly 30-40% easier to put the puck in the net than it is today. Queue up footage of any game and it's easy to see why.

And for those “ooh the average goals per game was more” ... the 1995-96 season had about the same goals per game as the 2005-06 season. Lemieux put up 69 goals which is more than Ovechkin ever scored (and Jagr, who also out scored Ovechkin 10 years later, put up 62).

Lemieux is the greatest pure scorer of all-time. And Jagr never came close to that total again in his career.

The dead puck era CAME AND WENT before Ovechkin hit the league in the 20%-More-PP-Era. And all of these guys we’re talking about played right through that dead puck era often scoring 50+.

Which guys, plural, are we talking about at this point? It's not Bossy, Gretzky, or Jagr. Nor is it Hull. Past 1992 he scored 57, 54, 43, 42, and nothing else over 40.

When you look at the early 80’s you’re looking at a league with half the teams and half the players of todays NHL, and 1 or 2 guys scoring 90+ goals has an outsized effect on scoring. Guys like Gretzky lapped the league by a huge standard, the 1 or 2 guys who could hang within 30 goals of him were also generational scorers that have had better runs than Ovechkin.

Do the math. In 1981-82, there were ~6500 goals scored across 840 games. Leauge-wide scoring was 38% higher than when Ovechkin scored 65.
Remove all of Gretzky's goals and assists (212) from that season. League-wide scoring would still be 35% higher. No player or handful of players, no matter how good, can explain the kind of scoring inflation we saw during that era.

 

[YippieKaey]

Of course scoring was higher in the 80s but why do you continue to quote me as saying stuff I don't say?

I asked a really simple question which doesn't even require an answer from you as anyone can see it in the statistical record.

More goals are scored on PP TOI than at ES TOI as a percentage of the TOI.

My "argument didn't suck" as it's not even an argument but an observation on that statistical fact.

Your distraction here is farther proof to that point and it seems like you are arguing with yourself here.

PP TOI does not make up for the vastly higher scoring of the seasons you were referencig. That was my point. Since Ovi started playing in the NHL, he has about 300 goals more than the second best goalscorer. That's very dominant

 

[WarriorofTime]

It's so cringe when people say seasons like 1992-93 were the "dead puck era"

When you look at the early 80’s you’re looking at a league with half the teams and half the players of todays NHL, and 1 or 2 guys scoring 90+ goals has an outsized effect on scoring.

Yep, you're one of those "there was something in the water in Canada between 1960 and 1966 that produced better stick handlers and shooters" than any other era types. Clear as day. NHL Totals by Birth Year - Career Stats

Wayne himself isn't enough to pull his birth year higher than 5th all time (with the 4 higher all being right around his time) and yet Wayne created an "outsized effect on scoring" to explain why the 80s were so high scoring.

Sorry, the math doesn't bear that out.

 

[alphahelix]

It's so cringe when people say seasons like 1992-93 were the "dead puck era"

’92-’93 is NOT the 1980s.

The crowd here was talking about how the ‘80s were so crazy for scoring that we should ignore everything that happened.

The dead puck era was the mid ‘90s, and was populated mostly by players and goalies that were also in the NHL in ’92-‘93.

Some of the players who didn’t suffer career-ending injuries and were motivated to play into their late 30s and early 40s scored 50+ goals in the ”uncountable 80s” and the “dead puck 90s” and the “outlier 92-93 season” and the 05-06 Powerplay bump and had good seasons strewn throughout their careers, playing against goalies that also spanned many of these eras like Martin Brodeur and Patrick Roy.

The fact that these outstanding players managed to continue to produce at Ovechkin-like levels from rookie to 40-year-old (including goalies playing across eras), sort of completely refutes the ideas that these “eras” are totally incomparable.

It’s ultra-nonsense.

Now I never said that the game hasn’t changed over time, I just said people are acting like the 1990’s were the 1890’s. Cy Denneny had great goal scoring numbers but I’m not bringing him up here. It’s too hard to know, nobody was watching all of the game’s history, there is no eye test, and the numbers could be impacted by dozens of factors.

The difference from 1995-96 to 2005-06 is JACK ALL realistically, and we saw goal scorers perform better than Ovechkin in both years.

So what does all this plainly suggest?

TOTAL REVISIONISM BY OVECHKIN FANBOYS.

Its lame, give it up.

 

[WarriorofTime]

you act like a 33 year old Jagr scoring 2 more goals than a ROOKIE Ovechkin is some Herculean feat, it's nonsense. Jagr was still in his prime.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Not that this makes what Matthews is (potentially) about to do less impressive, but Pavel Bure was the most recent player to get 70 goals in 82 games (not Lemieux):

 

[Dessloch]

you act like a 33 year old Jagr scoring 2 more goals than a ROOKIE Ovechkin is some Herculean feat, it's nonsense. Jagr was still in his prime.

Since when is a player playing a season at age 33 and 34 still in his prime? Is Sidney Crosby still in his prime? You just created a completely new definition of prime! Jagrs prime ended about 3-4 years before 2005-2006 season.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Since when is a player playing a season at age 33 and 34 still in his prime? Is Sidney Crosby still in his prime?

Jagr played in the NHL until his mid-40s... he was like 2 points off the league lead in scoring that year. Quit acting like Jagr was washed in order to try and trash players from that era to make it seem like a washed Jagr was the one keeping pace with a "prime" rookie Ovechkin

 

[Dessloch]

Jagr played in the NHL until his mid-40s... he was like 2 points off the league lead in scoring that year. Quit acting like Jagr was washed in order to try and trash players from that era to make it seem like a washed Jagr was the one keeping pace with a "prime" rookie Ovechkin

Jagr was not in his prime in 2005-2006. Prime Jagr was like 1994-2000. Prime Jagr would have put up 140+ points during the 2005-2006 high scoring season. I dont think you understand what prime is. Just because Jagr could lead the Devils and Panthers in scoring at age 45 does not mean he was in his prime. He was just so darn good that he could still pot more points than Ovie ever did even after he was no longer in his prime in 2005-2006 playing on a shit team with shit players.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Jagr was not in his prime in 2005-2006. Prime Jagr was like 1994-2000. Prime Jagr would have put up 140+ points during the 2005-2006 high scoring season. I dont think you understand what prime is. Just because Jagr could lead the Devils and Panthers in scoring at age 45 does not mean he was in his prime. He was just so darn good that he could still pot more points than Ovie ever did even after he was no longer in his prime in 2005-2006 playing on a shit team with shit players.

so if Ovechkin sucks so much compared to Jagr, why did he surpass him in career goals in fewer games? Riddle me that one.

 

[YippieKaey]

’92-’93 is NOT the 1980s.

The crowd here was talking about how the ‘80s were so crazy for scoring that we should ignore everything that happened.

The dead puck era was the mid ‘90s, and was populated mostly by players and goalies that were also in the NHL in ’92-‘93.

Some of the players who didn’t suffer career-ending injuries and were motivated to play into their late 30s and early 40s scored 50+ goals in the ”uncountable 80s” and the “dead puck 90s” and the “outlier 92-93 season” and the 05-06 Powerplay bump and had good seasons strewn throughout their careers, playing against goalies that also spanned many of these eras like Martin Brodeur and Patrick Roy.

The fact that these outstanding players managed to continue to produce at Ovechkin-like levels from rookie to 40-year-old (including goalies playing across eras), sort of completely refutes the ideas that these “eras” are totally incomparable.

It’s ultra-nonsense.

Now I never said that the game hasn’t changed over time, I just said people are acting like the 1990’s were the 1890’s. Cy Denneny had great goal scoring numbers but I’m not bringing him up here. It’s too hard to know, nobody was watching all of the game’s history, there is no eye test, and the numbers could be impacted by dozens of factors.

The difference from 1995-96 to 2005-06 is JACK ALL realistically, and we saw goal scorers perform better than Ovechkin in both years.

So what does all this plainly suggest?

TOTAL REVISIONISM BY OVECHKIN FANBOYS.

Its lame, give it up.

92-93 might not be the 80s but it is the highest scoring season EVER in the NHL. So using that single season is just cherrypicking.

Let's put it this way, the best goalscorer ever is whoever leads the league in goals scored the most times and/or has the most goals all time?

Is this a fair evaluation?

 

[kaiser matias]

Jagr was not in his prime in 2005-2006. Prime Jagr was like 1994-2000. Prime Jagr would have put up 140+ points during the 2005-2006 high scoring season. I dont think you understand what prime is. Just because Jagr could lead the Devils and Panthers in scoring at age 45 does not mean he was in his prime. He was just so darn good that he could still pot more points than Ovie ever did even after he was no longer in his prime in 2005-2006 playing on a shit team with shit players.

Can you define what "prime" is then?

’92-’93 is NOT the 1980s.

The crowd here was talking about how the ‘80s were so crazy for scoring that we should ignore everything that happened.

The dead puck era was the mid ‘90s, and was populated mostly by players and goalies that were also in the NHL in ’92-‘93.

Some of the players who didn’t suffer career-ending injuries and were motivated to play into their late 30s and early 40s scored 50+ goals in the ”uncountable 80s” and the “dead puck 90s” and the “outlier 92-93 season” and the 05-06 Powerplay bump and had good seasons strewn throughout their careers, playing against goalies that also spanned many of these eras like Martin Brodeur and Patrick Roy.

The fact that these outstanding players managed to continue to produce at Ovechkin-like levels from rookie to 40-year-old (including goalies playing across eras), sort of completely refutes the ideas that these “eras” are totally incomparable.

It’s ultra-nonsense.

Now I never said that the game hasn’t changed over time, I just said people are acting like the 1990’s were the 1890’s. Cy Denneny had great goal scoring numbers but I’m not bringing him up here. It’s too hard to know, nobody was watching all of the game’s history, there is no eye test, and the numbers could be impacted by dozens of factors.

The difference from 1995-96 to 2005-06 is JACK ALL realistically, and we saw goal scorers perform better than Ovechkin in both years.

So what does all this plainly suggest?

TOTAL REVISIONISM BY OVECHKIN FANBOYS.

Its lame, give it up.

Can you name these players, specifically? I'm curious who you're referring to, because no one actually did what you're saying.

 

[wetcoast]

PP TOI does not make up for the vastly higher scoring of the seasons you were referencig. That was my point. Since Ovi started playing in the NHL, he has about 300 goals more than the second best goalscorer. That's very dominant

You still keep skirting around the issue and avoiding the question though.

1. Either you don't understand that scoring happens more on PP TOI or 2 you are ignoring that fact.

 

[YippieKaey]

You still keep skirting around the issue and avoiding the question though.

1. Either you don't understand that scoring happens more on PP TOI or 2 you are ignoring that fact.

Ok dude.

 

[Selanne00008]

It's so cringe when people say seasons like 1992-93 were the "dead puck era"

When is that anyways. 95 (Im thinking new jersey? big goalias) until what, 2010? I dont even know

 

[tarheelhockey]

When is that anyways. 95 (Im thinking new jersey? big goalias) until what, 2010? I dont even know

The first signs of it started around ‘95 (especially the way the Devils took down Detroit in the final) but the Dead Puck Era proper ran from 1998-2004.