Suntouchable13
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Only two players with 700 goals don't have 700 assists. Gartner and Hull.
10-15 years from now: Gartner, Hull, and Matthews
Only two players with 700 goals don't have 700 assists. Gartner and Hull.
Common question asked by people who do not watch the players around Ovechkin routinely fail to convert easy chances for absolutely no reason at all. This was brutally exposed when Ovechkin couldn't find the back of the net in the first half of last season.Interesting that he’s the only player with more goals than assists. I wonder what other players goal scoring totals would be if they focused on goal scoring as much as Ovi.
Either way, it’s an elite list. He’s one of the best of all time.
Yeah absolutely. He is a good passer and his assists totals would be much higher, but how much goal scoring would he sacrifice? Maybe he’s not close to Gretz.You could also invert that statement and wonder how many assists Ovi would have if he had a pass-first mentality. I would imagine he’d be well over 1,000.
Either way, being the greatest goal scorer in the history of the sport is a far more prestigious accomplishment. He will hopefully retire as the sole member of the 900 goal club.
It would appear you don’t understand how the plus/minus stat works.And the other team scored 22 more goals against.
Do you know that overhyped Sid just running away from minuses to the bench? That was the main reason PIT didn't get the PO spot last year.
Plus/minus is a trash stat. Cheaters absolutely can rig this stat. One like Ovechkin prefers to stay on the ice, the other like Sid prefers fake pluses to frame his teammates (usually it's Malkin).
Seven hundred goals and seven hundred assists
Gretzky 894 - 1963
Ovechkin 853 - 700
Howe 801 - 1049
Jagr 766 - 1155
Dionne 731 - 1040
Esposito 717 - 873
Thought this was going to be an ov bashing post from the opening, solid postThat is due to games played/injuries for Malkin
Malkin: 1149 games : 499 goals, 804 assists = 36 goals and 57 assists per 82 for his career with majority of it being in low scoring period (2008-2018)
OV; 1428 games (counting tonight): 853 goals, 700 assists = 49 goals and 40 assist per 82 for his career with majority of it being in low scoring period (2008-2018)
OV is the greater player all time due to crazy 3-year peak+goal scoring prime & logenvity but Malkin is an all-time great hurt by injuries and low scoring league/linemates impacting his assist totals.
Malkin is pretty significantly a better overall passer+playmaker than OV just like OV is for goal scoring vs Malkin
They are the 2 clear cut best Russian careers in the NHL (old legends from Russia who came in late 20s and 30s not as good NHLers as these two)
I wonder if Sid can reach this too. He has the assists already obviously at 1009. He currently has 593 goals with 2 more years under his contract after this at the moment. 30 goals a year would put him on 682 (Less the one he's scored this year). He would need to play another year but not impossible.
Common question asked by people who do not watch the players around Ovechkin routinely fail to convert easy chances for absolutely no reason at all. This was brutally exposed when Ovechkin couldn't find the back of the net in the first half of last season.
The extended health struggles of Backstrom and Oshie, Kuznetsov's mental issues which led to him basically giving up on the ice for most of half a decade... It's led to a weird situation where Tom Wilson has been the most reliable (combining availability and season-to-season consistency) secondary goal producer on the team. Offensive dynamo, Tom Wilson. And then Tom had an injury season.
Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, Ovechkin does not, in fact, exist in some weird magical hockey bubble where the rest of the stuff going on with his team does not affect him.
And your point is? Do you think a decade is a small sample size? He's not a setup man. The actual point is, he's easily the best goal-scorer on the team, his scoring support has been consistently injured or unwilling to play and it's not the 80s.The reality is that it’s a 20 year sample size and he's had more assists than goals 4 times.
And your point is? Do you think a decade is a small sample size? He's not a setup man. The actual point is, he's easily the best goal-scorer on the team, his scoring support has been consistently injured or unwilling to play and it's not the 80s.
Why feel the need to be grumpy about what's actually a pretty fun achievement? I repeat. You people are weird. Why does everyone feel the need to find a way to shit on things like this on HF? It's why I post maybe once every 3-4 months. You guys suck lol
It was implied that his teammates can’t score, all I said is that it’s been 20 years. It is what it is.
I dont really shit on much on HF but I also don’t give a f*** abt ovechkin and would love to see that bootlick not get the record.
You clearly do.It was implied that his teammates can’t score, all I said is that it’s been 20 years. It is what it is.
I dont really shit on much on HF but I also don’t give a f*** abt ovechkin and would love to see that bootlick not get the record.
Give enough to take the extra effort come into this thread poopin' (if your statement about not doing it on much is to be believed -- I have my suspicions this is not true), to be concerned about his potential political affiliations and to hope he doesn't break the record. Thanks for playing. Better luck next time.
You clearly do.
To be fair, Crosby would have also made it into the 700 goal/700 assist club by the end of his career if he hadn’t lost such a large part of his prime to injuries.in your face Sid!
But that's one of the best parts of Ovechkin's career (durability). Sid, as pointed out, may very well get to 700/1,100 club, but that's a super long shot in my mind.To be fair, Crosby would have also made it into the 700 goal/700 assist club by the end of his career if he hadn’t lost such a large part of his prime to injuries.
It was implied that his teammates can’t score, all I said is that it’s been 20 years. It is what it is.
I dont really shit on much on HF but I also don’t give a f*** abt ovechkin and would love to see that bootlick not get the record.
Do you know that overhyped Sid just running away from minuses to the bench? That was the main reason PIT didn't get the PO spot last year.
Plus/minus is a trash stat. Cheaters absolutely can rig this stat. One like Ovechkin prefers to stay on the ice, the other like Sid prefers fake pluses to frame his teammates (usually it's Malkin).
To be fair, Sid was lucky to have Malkin on his team. Without him Sid wouldn't be in 600/600 or even in 500/500 club.To be fair, Crosby would have also made it into the 700 goal/700 assist club by the end of his career if he hadn’t lost such a large part of his prime to injuries.
Season | EM% in SC G | EM% in SC A | EM% in SC P |
2007 | 27.8 | 33.3 | 31.7 |
2008 | 29.2 | 54.2 | 45.8 |
2009 | 57.6 | 48.6 | 51.5 |
2010 | 33.3 | 22.4 | 27.5 |
2011 | 25.0 | 41.2 | 33.3 |
2012 | 12.5 | 44.8 | 37.8 |
2013 | 13.3 | 17.1 | 16.1 |
2014 | 22.2 | 20.6 | 21.2 |
2015 | 25.0 | 19.6 | 21.4 |
2016 | 19.4 | 12.2 | 15.3 |
2017 | 13.6 | 17.8 | 15.7 |
2018 | 20.7 | 33.3 | 29.2 |
2019 | 14.3 | 15.4 | 15.0 |
2020 | 12.5 | 25.8 | 21.3 |
2021 | 4.2 | 13.2 | 9.7 |
2022 | 19.4 | 17.0 | 17.9 |
2023 | 9.1 | 26.7 | 20.4 |
2024 | 16.7 | 9.6 | 12.8 |
2025 | 100.0 | 60.0 | 66.7 |
2007/25 | 22.2 | 26.4 | 24.9 |
True....everyone knows Sid probably wouldn't even have been able to hold onto an NHL roster spot if Malkin wasn't on the team.To be fair, Sid was lucky to have Malkin on his team. Without him Sid wouldn't be even in 600/600 club.
Malkin factored in 123 goals and 373 points.
Season EM% in SC G EM% in SC A EM% in SC P 2007 27.8 33.3 31.7 2008 29.2 54.2 45.8 2009 57.6 48.6 51.5 2010 33.3 22.4 27.5 2011 25.0 41.2 33.3 2012 12.5 44.8 37.8 2013 13.3 17.1 16.1 2014 22.2 20.6 21.2 2015 25.0 19.6 21.4 2016 19.4 12.2 15.3 2017 13.6 17.8 15.7 2018 20.7 33.3 29.2 2019 14.3 15.4 15.0 2020 12.5 25.8 21.3 2021 4.2 13.2 9.7 2022 19.4 17.0 17.9 2023 9.1 26.7 20.4 2024 16.7 9.6 12.8 2025 100.0 60.0 66.72007/25 22.2 26.4 24.9