Ovechkin becomes sixth member of 700/700 club

[Suntouchable13]

Only two players with 700 goals don't have 700 assists. Gartner and Hull.

10-15 years from now: Gartner, Hull, and Matthews

 

[Herregud]

Interesting that he’s the only player with more goals than assists. I wonder what other players goal scoring totals would be if they focused on goal scoring as much as Ovi.

Either way, it’s an elite list. He’s one of the best of all time.

Common question asked by people who do not watch the players around Ovechkin routinely fail to convert easy chances for absolutely no reason at all. This was brutally exposed when Ovechkin couldn't find the back of the net in the first half of last season.

The extended health struggles of Backstrom and Oshie, Kuznetsov's mental issues which led to him basically giving up on the ice for most of half a decade... It's led to a weird situation where Tom Wilson has been the most reliable (combining availability and season-to-season consistency) secondary goal producer on the team. Offensive dynamo, Tom Wilson. And then Tom had an injury season.

Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, Ovechkin does not, in fact, exist in some weird magical hockey bubble where the rest of the stuff going on with his team does not affect him.

 

[Madap]

You could also invert that statement and wonder how many assists Ovi would have if he had a pass-first mentality. I would imagine he’d be well over 1,000.

Either way, being the greatest goal scorer in the history of the sport is a far more prestigious accomplishment. He will hopefully retire as the sole member of the 900 goal club.

Yeah absolutely. He is a good passer and his assists totals would be much higher, but how much goal scoring would he sacrifice? Maybe he’s not close to Gretz.

I just find it interesting to think about when comparing the great scorers even though there’s no way to know for sure. He will go down as the greatest goal scorer but I don’t think he’s the best. Some people may not agree there’s a distinction.

 

[ForumNamePending]

Welcome to the club, Alex.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

 

[Planetov]

And the other team scored 22 more goals against.

It would appear you don’t understand how the plus/minus stat works.

 

[Ghost of Murph]

Too bad he's not a good ol' Canadian boy. I've heard off and on he has been washed up for the last 6 seasons. Hope he gets 20 goals this season. Heh.

 

[Caps8112]

Wonder if any of the other 5 had the pleasure of playing with players like Joey Crabbe, Tyler Sloan and the black hole of shooting known as Marcus Johansson.

 

[Shrimper]

Do you know that overhyped Sid just running away from minuses to the bench? That was the main reason PIT didn't get the PO spot last year.
Plus/minus is a trash stat. Cheaters absolutely can rig this stat. One like Ovechkin prefers to stay on the ice, the other like Sid prefers fake pluses to frame his teammates (usually it's Malkin).

How much is Crosby paying for the rent in your head?

Seven hundred goals and seven hundred assists

Gretzky 894 - 1963
Ovechkin 853 - 700
Howe 801 - 1049
Jagr 766 - 1155
Dionne 731 - 1040
Esposito 717 - 873

I wonder if Sid can reach this too. He has the assists already obviously at 1009. He currently has 593 goals with 2 more years under his contract after this at the moment. 30 goals a year would put him on 682 (Less the one he's scored this year). He would need to play another year but not impossible.

 

[HolyHagelin]

That is due to games played/injuries for Malkin

Malkin: 1149 games : 499 goals, 804 assists = 36 goals and 57 assists per 82 for his career with majority of it being in low scoring period (2008-2018)

OV; 1428 games (counting tonight): 853 goals, 700 assists = 49 goals and 40 assist per 82 for his career with majority of it being in low scoring period (2008-2018)

OV is the greater player all time due to crazy 3-year peak+goal scoring prime & logenvity but Malkin is an all-time great hurt by injuries and low scoring league/linemates impacting his assist totals.

Malkin is pretty significantly a better overall passer+playmaker than OV just like OV is for goal scoring vs Malkin

They are the 2 clear cut best Russian careers in the NHL (old legends from Russia who came in late 20s and 30s not as good NHLers as these two)

Thought this was going to be an ov bashing post from the opening, solid post

 

[BallardEra]

I wonder if Sid can reach this too. He has the assists already obviously at 1009. He currently has 593 goals with 2 more years under his contract after this at the moment. 30 goals a year would put him on 682 (Less the one he's scored this year). He would need to play another year but not impossible.

I think he gets there.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Common question asked by people who do not watch the players around Ovechkin routinely fail to convert easy chances for absolutely no reason at all. This was brutally exposed when Ovechkin couldn't find the back of the net in the first half of last season.

The extended health struggles of Backstrom and Oshie, Kuznetsov's mental issues which led to him basically giving up on the ice for most of half a decade... It's led to a weird situation where Tom Wilson has been the most reliable (combining availability and season-to-season consistency) secondary goal producer on the team. Offensive dynamo, Tom Wilson. And then Tom had an injury season.

Contrary to what a lot of people seem to think, Ovechkin does not, in fact, exist in some weird magical hockey bubble where the rest of the stuff going on with his team does not affect him.

The reality is that it’s a 20 year sample size and he's had more assists than goals 4 times.

 

[Herregud]

The reality is that it’s a 20 year sample size and he's had more assists than goals 4 times.

And your point is? Do you think a decade is a small sample size? He's not a setup man. The actual point is, he's easily the best goal-scorer on the team, his scoring support has been consistently injured or unwilling to play and it's not the 80s.

Why feel the need to be grumpy about what's actually a pretty fun achievement? I repeat. You people are weird. Why does everyone feel the need to find a way to shit on things like this on HF? It's why I post maybe once every 3-4 months. You guys suck lol

 

[Wondercarrot]

And your point is? Do you think a decade is a small sample size? He's not a setup man. The actual point is, he's easily the best goal-scorer on the team, his scoring support has been consistently injured or unwilling to play and it's not the 80s.

Why feel the need to be grumpy about what's actually a pretty fun achievement? I repeat. You people are weird. Why does everyone feel the need to find a way to shit on things like this on HF? It's why I post maybe once every 3-4 months. You guys suck lol

It was implied that his teammates can’t score, all I said is that it’s been 20 years. It is what it is.

I dont really shit on much on HF but I also don’t give a f*** abt ovechkin and would love to see that bootlick not get the record.

 

[SkinsFan09]

It is 100% true Ovechkin is a flawed player in terms of two-way play but it is also 100% true that the Capitals organization has been set up for him to shoulder too much of the offensive load for the past 20 years. This is evidenced by how bad they are when he doesn't play in comparison to Pittsburgh without 87 or 71, the Lightning without Stamkos or Kucherov etc.

 

[Herregud]

It was implied that his teammates can’t score, all I said is that it’s been 20 years. It is what it is.

I dont really shit on much on HF but I also don’t give a f*** abt ovechkin and would love to see that bootlick not get the record.

Give enough to take the extra effort come into this thread poopin' (if your statement about not doing it on much is to be believed -- I have my suspicions this is not true), to be concerned about his potential political affiliations and to hope he doesn't break the record. Thanks for playing. Better luck next time.

 

[Planetov]

It was implied that his teammates can’t score, all I said is that it’s been 20 years. It is what it is.

I dont really shit on much on HF but I also don’t give a f*** abt ovechkin and would love to see that bootlick not get the record.

You clearly do.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Give enough to take the extra effort come into this thread poopin' (if your statement about not doing it on much is to be believed -- I have my suspicions this is not true), to be concerned about his potential political affiliations and to hope he doesn't break the record. Thanks for playing. Better luck next time.

“The extra effort” lol
You’re welcome to all the suspicious you can conjure up.
And there is nothing “potential” about it, though you are correct I’ll re-phrase - f*** him and I hope he doesn’t break the record. It’s in that sense I don’t give a f***.
Hope that clears things up!

 

[Wondercarrot]

You clearly do.

yeah, I stated that poorly.
I don’t care abt him, should have been phrased “I don’t care for him, so don’t want him to break the record”
Cheers

 

[Incognito]

in your face Sid!

To be fair, Crosby would have also made it into the 700 goal/700 assist club by the end of his career if he hadn’t lost such a large part of his prime to injuries.

 

[Toby91ca]

To be fair, Crosby would have also made it into the 700 goal/700 assist club by the end of his career if he hadn’t lost such a large part of his prime to injuries.

But that's one of the best parts of Ovechkin's career (durability). Sid, as pointed out, may very well get to 700/1,100 club, but that's a super long shot in my mind.

 

[SkinsFan09]

It was implied that his teammates can’t score, all I said is that it’s been 20 years. It is what it is.

I dont really shit on much on HF but I also don’t give a f*** abt ovechkin and would love to see that bootlick not get the record.

The irony is staggering.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Do you know that overhyped Sid just running away from minuses to the bench? That was the main reason PIT didn't get the PO spot last year.
Plus/minus is a trash stat. Cheaters absolutely can rig this stat. One like Ovechkin prefers to stay on the ice, the other like Sid prefers fake pluses to frame his teammates (usually it's Malkin).

How long have you been holding on to these?

 

[Randyne]

To be fair, Crosby would have also made it into the 700 goal/700 assist club by the end of his career if he hadn’t lost such a large part of his prime to injuries.

To be fair, Sid was lucky to have Malkin on his team. Without him Sid wouldn't be in 600/600 or even in 500/500 club.
Malkin factored in 123 goals; 250 assists; 373 points.

Season	EM% in SC G	EM% in SC A	EM% in SC P
2007​	27.8​	33.3​	31.7​
2008​	29.2​	54.2​	45.8​
2009​	57.6​	48.6​	51.5​
2010​	33.3​	22.4​	27.5​
2011​	25.0​	41.2​	33.3​
2012​	12.5​	44.8​	37.8​
2013​	13.3​	17.1​	16.1​
2014​	22.2​	20.6​	21.2​
2015​	25.0​	19.6​	21.4​
2016​	19.4​	12.2​	15.3​
2017​	13.6​	17.8​	15.7​
2018​	20.7​	33.3​	29.2​
2019​	14.3​	15.4​	15.0​
2020​	12.5​	25.8​	21.3​
2021​	4.2​	13.2​	9.7​
2022​	19.4​	17.0​	17.9​
2023​	9.1​	26.7​	20.4​
2024​	16.7​	9.6​	12.8​
2025​	100.0​	60.0​	66.7​
2007/25	22.2​	26.4​	24.9​

 

[Toby91ca]

To be fair, Sid was lucky to have Malkin on his team. Without him Sid wouldn't be even in 600/600 club.
Malkin factored in 123 goals and 373 points.

Season	EM% in SC G	EM% in SC A	EM% in SC P
2007​	27.8​	33.3​	31.7​
2008​	29.2​	54.2​	45.8​
2009​	57.6​	48.6​	51.5​
2010​	33.3​	22.4​	27.5​
2011​	25.0​	41.2​	33.3​
2012​	12.5​	44.8​	37.8​
2013​	13.3​	17.1​	16.1​
2014​	22.2​	20.6​	21.2​
2015​	25.0​	19.6​	21.4​
2016​	19.4​	12.2​	15.3​
2017​	13.6​	17.8​	15.7​
2018​	20.7​	33.3​	29.2​
2019​	14.3​	15.4​	15.0​
2020​	12.5​	25.8​	21.3​
2021​	4.2​	13.2​	9.7​
2022​	19.4​	17.0​	17.9​
2023​	9.1​	26.7​	20.4​
2024​	16.7​	9.6​	12.8​
2025​	100.0​	60.0​	66.7​
2007/25	22.2​	26.4​	24.9​

True....everyone knows Sid probably wouldn't even have been able to hold onto an NHL roster spot if Malkin wasn't on the team.