HF Habs: Out of Town Thread: 2024-2025 season

[Whitesnake]

He just keeps producing, which is exactly what this team has lacked for decades. Time will tell if they made the right decision, but it's not looking good early on.

If Reinbacher becomes a serviceable No4...they did NOT take the right decision. Nobody will ever be able to tell me that a No4 RD is more serviceable than a 90 points player. Not happening.

People should tell me which RD in Florida last year had just as good a production/contribution than a top end forward?

In 22-23, Pietrangelo? And if the answer is yes, that means that the the WORST Reinbacher could become is Pietrangelo.

In 21-22: Makar is an exceptional player. No1 worthy. Reinbacher is SO FAR from being Makar. Choosing Reinbacher because Makar is insanely irrelevant.

In 20-21: Who in Tampa?
In 19-20: Pietrangelo etc.

So in essence the IMPORTANCE of using a top 5 pick because of HE IS AN RD is totally overrated. Unless your player comes with the pedigree of a Makar or a Pietrangelo. Rein is no Makar. Remains to be seen how Pietrangelo he is.

Imagine Tampa thinking that they should be picking Michael Paliotta in 2011 'cause he's a RD instead of a certain Nikita Kucherov...

 

[Miller Time]

Imagine Tampa thinking that they should be picking Michael Paliotta in 2011 'cause he's a RD instead of a certain Nikita Kucherov...

19 dmen were picked ahead of Kucherov... And the Bolts picked Namestokov over Kuch.

 

[habdynasty]

DeBrusk was a great signing for the Canuck’s.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Get to work Bobrov

 

[Shred]

I wouldn't trade 4 draft picks for Jiricek. I don't think Waddell is that bad an evaluator of talent.

Also they have Timmins and his legendary eye for defensemen

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

It’s all good. I’ve got Mitch in the pool. He’s killing it for me.

 

[Whitesnake]

19 dmen were picked ahead of Kucherov... And the Bolts picked Namestokov over Kuch.

Not the point. When it was the time to pick, they went for talent. And going for Names instead of Kuch was not about position. It was about evaluation of talent. We went needs. And not only D...but right D. Made no sense then, makes no sense now. Will never make sense.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Not the point. When it was the time to pick, they went for talent. And going for Names instead of Kuch was not about position. It was about evaluation of talent. We went needs. And not only D...but right D. Made no sense then, makes no sense now. Will never make sense.

We’ll see. The guy hasn’t played a game yet.

 

[Miller Time]

Not the point. When it was the time to pick, they went for talent.

You were in their draft room?

also, strange how they didnt go for Kuch if "talent" is what they "went for"... unless you think namestikov is more talented than Kucherov

I get your point, I just dont think it's a coherent one. The Kucherov example simply and obviously highlights the flaw in your argument.

teams draft players they think will help their organization win. They all pick the BPA based on their own perspective of what is "best".

Habs picked RB ahead of Mickov for the same reason the other 5 teams passed on him... they felt the prospect they chose was "best" for them. Same reason the Bolts passed on Kuch in the first round that year... same reason 4 teams passed on Demidov this year.

in hindsight, its easy to nitpick. But the simple reality is that every team "misses" on some player that proves better than the one they picked.

If you have the ability to accurately predict which talented prospect will succeed and which won't, with complete accuracy, you should sell your services to the NFL for a few years then retire with the riches they will dump on you.

Michkov isn't the first, nor will he be the last, hyper talented prospect that gets bypassed for reasons other than his raw talent (see Caufield, Roy, Hutson for a few close to home examples)

And going for Names instead of Kuch was not about position. It was about evaluation of talent. We went needs. And not only D...but right D. Made no sense then, makes no sense now. Will never make sense.

You assume "we went needs". I don't agree that's the case except in the general sense that applies to every team (as with "best" player available).

The RB pick makes perfect sense. If you don't understand why, the issue may be with your understanding of asset management in the NHL (draft, cap system, roster building etc), and why talented, mobile and physically gifted RD are a prized commodity.

 

[Ezpz]

Moneyhands outscoring our entire team now.

 

[Tyson]

Moneyhands outscoring our entire team now.

Yeah talk about being over the hill

 

[Whitesnake]

You were in their draft room?

also, strange how they didnt go for Kuch if "talent" is what they "went for"... unless you think namestikov is more talented than Kucherov

I get your point, I just dont think it's a coherent one. The Kucherov example simply and obviously highlights the flaw in your argument.

teams draft players they think will help their organization win. They all pick the BPA based on their own perspective of what is "best".

Habs picked RB ahead of Mickov for the same reason the other 5 teams passed on him... they felt the prospect they chose was "best" for them. Same reason the Bolts passed on Kuch in the first round that year... same reason 4 teams passed on Demidov this year.

in hindsight, its easy to nitpick. But the simple reality is that every team "misses" on some player that proves better than the one they picked.

If you have the ability to accurately predict which talented prospect will succeed and which won't, with complete accuracy, you should sell your services to the NFL for a few years then retire with the riches they will dump on you.

Michkov isn't the first, nor will he be the last, hyper talented prospect that gets bypassed for reasons other than his raw talent (see Caufield, Roy, Hutson for a few close to home examples)



You assume "we went needs". I don't agree that's the case except in the general sense that applies to every team (as with "best" player available).

The RB pick makes perfect sense. If you don't understand why, the issue may be with your understanding of asset management in the NHL (draft, cap system, roster building etc), and why talented, mobile and physically gifted RD are a prized commodity.

I'm really stunned that you don't get my point. I wasn't in their draft room, they were. And it was said that both guys at 27, there were around 20 guys they liked, and both guys were in it.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/2725312/2021/07/24/whats-with-all-these-russians-behind-the-scenes-of-lightnings-2011-nhl-draft/

Is Names better than Kuch? Nope. But when they went for that pick, they thought so. They went BPA. And as you keep hearing me say times and times again, it's one thing to miss who the real BPA is. It's another to go needs instead. For example, wasn't a fan of the Mesar pick. But if Hughes and Co tell me that this is who they thought was the BPA at that pick...it soften the blow.

And please don't tell me we don't know if they went needs....there is no world where the statement doesn't say needs. Cooling down on a lefty but taking him 'cause he's a righty? ''[Reinbacher] is a very talented player. There's no doubt that there are many talented players in this Draft, but David Reinbacher is a player that was ranked near the top of our list, regardless of the fact that he's a defenseman. If he was a left-handed defenseman, maybe it would have changed our approach, but we don't have as much depth on the right side. [...] For us, he's the player that we believe can help our team the most.''

Hughes: 'He's the player that we believe can help our team the most' | Montréal Canadiens

The Habs first-round pick made headlines on Wednesday night

www.nhl.com

So it's not about a specific name. It's about a strategy. It's not nitpicking. I'm against anything that looks close to needs. Always has been. Righties are tough to find? Yeah, just like C's were tough...and then aren't. Also, winning teams do have some righties. I mean, Makar....Pietrangelo....If you think Reinbacher is Makar, not sure what to tell you. We will see about Pietrangelo.

But the insane pressure the guy will have when he'll join the Habs....wow. Especially with Michkov killing the Calder. He'll need to be insanely tough. Do we think he is?

 

[The Great Weal]

Fabbro is looking excellent with the Jackets. Kent didn't want to lose Barron for nothing but seems to have missed out.