Proposal: Ottawa-Edmonton Blockbuster

[PoutineSp00nZ]

With respect to 2) above it is already happening. Both Sekera and Lucic mentioned McDavid as one of their key factors in their interest in Edmonton.

What else are they going to say? "Edmonton offered the most money?"

 

[armani]

In terms of hockey value it's a pretty equal trade but when you add marketability then this is a very unequal trade. Karlsson and Stone have almost zero market value to the league. Mcdavid is the future face of the league.

this guy.

 

[Mr Tadakichi]

What else are they going to say? "Edmonton offered the most money?"

Montreal offered more money to Lucic IIRC

 

[guyzeur]

Ive watched enough to know he gets
Quite a few assists off of point shots and has a laser first pass and he is not at all physical. Never said karlsson hockey iq is low it's just not as good as McDavid's. McDavid's iq is gretzky esc as where karlssons just isn't. Orr was a better goal scorer and drove the net as where EK relies on his point shot and gets the occasional high slot.

There are more similarities in McDavid's game to gretzky than eks to orr

Different era; Karlsson would have been making circles around the atrocious D of Orr's era.

Don't see orr or gretzky in there. You had to exclude seasons on your lemieux point. EK was terrible in his first few seasons as I rec all as where mcd crosby gretzky etc were lights out. Crosby also had a season where more than 50 percent of production came off the power play. How many generational talents do you know of had to be brought along ? None Karlsson was garbage in year 1 and 2 that not generational. Karlsson is a pylon to McD.

It's easier to play forward than a defense as a rookie. And Karlsson is a pylon to McD? you're funny.

You rec all incorrectly. While his defensive game was wanting and he has vastly improved since his first season, there was never a point where anyone ought to have described him as terrible. As a d-man defensive lapses are more noticeable, but I don't rec all anyone nominating Gretzky, Lemieux, or McDavid for the Selke award in their rookie seasons.

See bolded to support previous comment

McDavid's value is severely overrated on these boards. For a guy that will never eclipse 100 points you wouldn't trade him for Karlsson and Stone? Wow. Edmonton Fans. wow

I'm a Sens fan and MCD's value is not overrated. 100 pts is quite difficult these days.

I wouldn't do it if I we're the Oilers.

But would you do it if you were the Sens.

 

[mashedpotato]

I've had the pleasure of seeing McD play in person - until you see him live, you can't comprehend how much faster and nimble his is with the puck than any other play in the NHL.

He can't grind the corners like Crosby, but if it's a lose puck McD wins. Every time.

I'm not an EDM fan and I can tell you that there is no reasonable trade than can happen where picks, players, prospects comes back the other way that balances the trade for an asset like McD.....

 

[Fourier]

What else are they going to say? "Edmonton offered the most money?"

You can believe them or not but Lucic made a big point saying that McDavid was a prime factor in every interview he did. He was a top UFA available. He could have gotten a similar deal elsewhere. Similarly with Sekera. Though in his case the McDavid impact was probably less significant.

It would be ridiculous to think that McDavid is not a factor in players wanting to come to Edmonton.

 

[McShogun99]

this guy.

Can you honestly say that Karlsson sells out arenas when Ottawa comes to other towns. Mcdavid will be doing that very soon. Karlsson is the best offensive defenceman in the league but not the leagues best defenceman. The media also isn't all over Karlsson in each city he visits. Believe what you want but outside of Ottawa, Karlsson doesnt put many extra butts in the seats.

 

[CaptainSexyPants]

I've had the pleasure of seeing McD play in person - until you see him live, you can't comprehend how much faster and nimble his is with the puck than any other play in the NHL.

He can't grind the corners like Crosby, but if it's a lose puck McD wins. Every time.

I'm not an EDM fan and I can tell you that there is no reasonable trade than can happen where picks, players, prospects comes back the other way that balances the trade for an asset like McD.....

Agreed.

But even on TV I honestly can't fathom how any fan of hockey could call him overrated after they've had a good viewing. Hate the Oilers, hate McDavid for being hyped as much as he is, whatever...but if you're watching this kid play (really watching; not just highlights or some half-assed glances at the bar TV while you're blitzed) and you're legitimately not jaw-on-the-floor impressed, I sincerely have no idea why you're a fan of this game.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

You can believe them or not but Lucic made a big point saying that McDavid was a prime factor in every interview he did. He was a top UFA available. He could have gotten a similar deal elsewhere. Similarly with Sekera. Though in his case the McDavid impact was probably less significant.

It would be ridiculous to think that McDavid is not a factor in players wanting to come to Edmonton.

It would be ridiculous to think that dollars aren't a much larger factor, no matter what city or team with very few exceptions.

 

[Fourier]

It would be ridiculous to think that dollars aren't a much larger factor, no matter what city or team with very few exceptions.

In the case of Lucic terms was probably a bigger deal but he signed with the Oilers for $6M. This is hardly a significant premium to what he was going to get elsewhere. Montreal and Vancouver were both very interested and there is no evidence to suggest that they would not have matched both the money and the term.

 

[swiftwin]

Can you honestly say that Karlsson sells out arenas when Ottawa comes to other towns. Mcdavid will be doing that very soon. Karlsson is the best offensive defenceman in the league but not the leagues best defenceman. The media also isn't all over Karlsson in each city he visits. Believe what you want but outside of Ottawa, Karlsson doesnt put many extra butts in the seats.

lol, nope.

Hype McDavid all you want, but most casual fans just see McDavid as another 1st OA pick.

 

[snipes]

lol, nope.

Hype McDavid all you want, but most casual fans just see McDavid as another 1st OA pick.

You da real MVP.

Reality is, both players are as untouchable as untouchable gets.

 

[McShogun99]

lol, nope.

Hype McDavid all you want, but most casual fans just see McDavid as another 1st OA pick.

Pittsburgh is the only non original 6 team that sells out other arenas on a consistent basis. That's because of Crosby. Mcdavid is not just another 1st OA, he's on the same level of hype as Crosby. Fans pay to see what the media tells them to see and the media isn't telling people to come watch Karlsson. It's no knock on Karlsson but that's the cold, hard truth.

 

[IamJust0ne]

You da real MVP.

Reality is, both players are as untouchable as untouchable gets.

As long as we're clear Karlsson is more untouchable

 

[Baby Ryan]

I like McDavid, I really do. But when I see comments like "for sure going to get two cups by 26 while EK doesn't have any".... "Single handily carry a team into contender mode" etc etc, the hype is a bit too much.

Not that I don't believe he's going to be incredibly amazing, but in today's era no one single play can carry a team. Unless of course he has a solid D+Forward depth+goal tending. Which means he isn't actually carrying the team (by himself anyways). Ovechkin, possibly the greatest goal scorer in history and the human form of a bull hasn't won a cup yet. Crosby has two by age 29 + Malkin + Letang. Let alone by 26.

Anyways, no from Ottawa and no from Edmonton.

 

[swiftwin]

Pittsburgh is the only non original 6 team that sells out other arenas on a consistent basis. That's because of Crosby. Mcdavid is not just another 1st OA, he's on the same level of hype as Crosby. Fans pay to see what the media tells them to see and the media isn't telling people to come watch Karlsson. It's no knock on Karlsson but that's the cold, hard truth.

No he's not. Maybe in Edmonton he is, but not in the rest of the league.

 

[bert]

What else are they going to say? "Edmonton offered the most money?"

Hold the phone folks Sekera is signing with your team thats how you know you've made it.

 

[McRpro]

No he's not. Maybe in Edmonton he is, but not in the rest of the league.

You bet your ass he's got Crosby levels of hype. Have you not been paying attention, at all?

 

[snipes]

...I thought this thread was dead?

No to all McDavid proposals

 

[TeamRenzo]

lol, nope.

Hype McDavid all you want, but most casual fans just see McDavid as another 1st OA pick.

Thats because he has played less than one season. McDavid is awesome and will be the face of the league within the next few years.

EDM shouldnt/wouldnt trade him for anything.

 

[Allan92]

I think Karlsson is unreal, the best offensive dman in a long time. He's a game changer, and so much fun to watch. Add in Mark Stone, who is one of the top offensive wingers in the NHL, and that's a huge package. But, any Sens fan saying NO to this deal is not seeing the big picture. McDavid has more value than any player to ever enter the league. The combination of talent/skill and hype/interest in this kid is unparalleled. The value he brings to any team has never been heard of before. Maybe he won't live up to the hype, and have the success that many are predicting for him at this point, that's a very real possibility, but right now, he has delivered, and the hype train is still on track and running smoothly.

I get that trading one of the best offensive D and top 10 winger would be a huge blow to any team when it comes to their chances of competing on the ice. But what McDavid adds, at least in the next couple years is much bigger than that. Before McDavid showed up, no one cared about the Oilers, but once he arrived, they are in the news all over the place. He's a special kid.

See Gretzky, Wayne and Lindros, Eric

 

[McSuper]

What else are they going to say? "Edmonton offered the most money?"

Wrong . Lucic even said he was offer more . There was a rumour it was Montreal not sure if that is right but Lucic did say he was offer more but he didn't mention the team

 

[TFHockey]

No he's not. Maybe in Edmonton he is, but not in the rest of the league.

Wrong again.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/fantasy-hockey-2016-17-top-30-keeper-league-players-by-position/

 

[McSuper]

No he's not. Maybe in Edmonton he is, but not in the rest of the league.

What rock have you been under ? Links for you to do some research . Seem strange that a hockey fan would argue this .


https://www.nhl.com/news/connor-mcdavid-drafted-no-1-by-edmonton-oilers/c-772405


http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/connor-mcdavid/


http://news.nationalpost.com/sports...id-jack-eichel-tank-bowl-but-no-sequel-so-far

http://thehockeywriters.com/connor-mcdavid-just-give-him-the-calder-already/


http://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/the-next-one-ohl-s-connor-mcdavid-ready-for-draft-year-hype-1.2054558


There are hundreds of them . These are not coming from some local hacks .


edit : Here another by sport net ranking the most important players in the NHL . Notice no EK . Notice who is ranked #1 ? I guess sport net are just all Oilers fans


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/top-50-most-important-nhl-players-10-1/

 

[Zorf]

What rock have you been under ? Links for you to do some research . Seem strange that a hockey fan would argue this .


edit : Here another by sport net ranking the most important players in the NHL . Notice no EK . Notice who is ranked #1 ? I guess sport net are just all Oilers fans


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/top-50-most-important-nhl-players-10-1/

You should never use SportsNet as ammunition in a discussion. Sportsnet is the worst. You're better off using the Westminster Kennel Club's ranking of NHL players.


This thread is stupid though. Sens fans say no. Oilers fans say no.

McDavid obviously has more marketability around the league right now, and if he can stay healthy all season, it will skyrocket.



I don't know why I keep coming back to read new posts in this thread. It's just the worst, but it's like a car wreck, you can't help but look.