Ottawa 67s 2024 25 Season Thread Part Iii

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Iagree it is hard to predeict my only concern was tht you can not have 2 OA playing center (unless you have Barlas onteh 4th line)

I really do not see the 3 Euro system working as you said the 3rd year is too much of a crap shoot considering the money teams have topay for those players. As to Korbler as I have stated I eould like to see him traded to a team that can use him and see what happens with a diferent coach. He had rasonable numbers when we drafted him.

As to the Fronts I see Miedema, McGowan and Bishop back. How much of a trade deadline deals they make will depend on a lot. Remember 2 years ago Ottawa thought it had a great team and decided to go after first. This year instead of cleaning house we actually tried to make thelayoffs. Springer is an interesting owner if the team is competitive i can seehim also putting off the rebuild for one year and playig with what they have. This is the Kingston mentality of old andnot realy seen a lot to make me change my mind. Yes the smart thing is to trade players BUT we have both seen teams know what the smart thing (trade Pinelli) was and did not get done. Last yer also weknoew we wre ot afirst placed team but they still wnet for it instead of selling. So anything is possible in this league with these owners

Ottawa had excess draft pick capital. Kingston did not have that this year. They have a lot of empty slots in their draft cupboard. They will get the two 1st rounders this year so that’s not bad but they are still short the 2nd and 3rd round picks.

The other empty slots are:
2nd - 2027 and 2028
3rd - 2026-27-28
4th - 2026

They may cash in on conditional picks. They have the Flint 2nd in 2028 tied to Thibodeau playing an OA season next year. Plus they have the BFD 3rd, 4th, and 5th if Malhotra reports but I am not sure we see that happen.

Kingston could stand pat but I don’t see why they would. They may be able to cobble together a 1st line but Battaglia will go for sure at the deadline. If he goes, so does Soto and Miedema. Their defence and goaltending will be absolute trash. It consists of Betts in net with Moore, Mondeau, and Williamson on Defence. Probably McGowan with them. Moore played half a season as a 17 year old and Mondeau played 8 games. Moore may prove to be ok but Mondeau? Ouch. Not good. Betts is completely unproven in net. They probably need a starter and that may cost them an OA slot unless they nail down an Import Goalie.

They are going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel just to ice 18 skaters and 2 goalies. It is not going to be pretty post-deadline. If it goes the way I think it will, they will be hard pressed to win games at all post-deadline. And, with no proven goaltending and weak defence, they are likely to give up a lot of goals pre-deadline. It is not like their returning forward group is all that skilled at goal prevention. Asking guys like Miedema, Battaglia, and Soto to play defence will be a pretty big challenge. McGowan and Williamson will play 48 minute per game!

AND, this should not come as a shock. It is not like this hasn’t been discussed ad nausium on the Fronts board last fall when discussing strategy for this year. Everyone over there knows this coming season is a flash sale. There really is no way around it. Hopkins may stay post-deadline but he’s going to be in tough if he does stay.

With respect to Korbler, what is an undersized 19 year old Import with 3 points playing half a season with Pinelli and Foster worth on the trade market?
 
Ottawa had excess draft pick capital. Kingston did not have that this year. They have a lot of empty slots in their draft cupboard. They will get the two 1st rounders this year so that’s not bad but they are still short the 2nd and 3rd round picks.

The other empty slots are:
2nd - 2027 and 2028
3rd - 2026-27-28
4th - 2026

They may cash in on conditional picks. They have the Flint 2nd in 2028 tied to Thibodeau playing an OA season next year. Plus they have the BFD 3rd, 4th, and 5th if Malhotra reports but I am not sure we see that happen.

Kingston could stand pat but I don’t see why they would. They may be able to cobble together a 1st line but Battaglia will go for sure at the deadline. If he goes, so does Soto and Miedema. Their defence and goaltending will be absolute trash. It consists of Betts in net with Moore, Mondeau, and Williamson on Defence. Probably McGowan with them. Moore played half a season as a 17 year old and Mondeau played 8 games. Moore may prove to be ok but Mondeau? Ouch. Not good. Betts is completely unproven in net. They probably need a starter and that may cost them an OA slot unless they nail down an Import Goalie.

They are going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel just to ice 18 skaters and 2 goalies. It is not going to be pretty post-deadline. If it goes the way I think it will, they will be hard pressed to win games at all post-deadline. And, with no proven goaltending and weak defence, they are likely to give up a lot of goals pre-deadline. It is not like their returning forward group is all that skilled at goal prevention. Asking guys like Miedema, Battaglia, and Soto to play defence will be a pretty big challenge. McGowan and Williamson will play 48 minute per game!

AND, this should not come as a shock. It is not like this hasn’t been discussed ad nausium on the Fronts board last fall when discussing strategy for this year. Everyone over there knows this coming season is a flash sale. There really is no way around it. Hopkins may stay post-deadline but he’s going to be in tough if he does stay.

With respect to Korbler, what is an undersized 19 year old Import with 3 points playing half a season with Pinelli and Foster worth on the trade market?

We will see what happens with the Fronts either one of us will be correct and it will be interesting. If the fronts come ut wiing. If theycome ut losing or trading right out of camp then yeah it is a sell BUT if they re cmpetitive Springer is going to be pushing Cooper.

As to Korbler who knows I said i wuld ike to see him play for another team to see if the change does him good. What would I pay for him 1oth round pick sounds good with a conditional if he scores x amount of points. In all honesty Ekberg should have been upwith Pinelli abd Foster almost the whole yer.

But that season is over.
 
In a best case scenario where all ‘06’s return and they have Romani, Gardiner, and Akey as the OA’s, I think they will have a solid team. Solid enough to do damage? Probably. Three lines, a decent defence and solid goalie. They have the main pieces. But, they need everyone on that list to return.

The central should be wicked next season. But in that best case scenario, Barrie would be in a tier of its’s own imo.
 
Ottawa had excess draft pick capital. Kingston did not have that this year. They have a lot of empty slots in their draft cupboard. They will get the two 1st rounders this year so that’s not bad but they are still short the 2nd and 3rd round picks.

The other empty slots are:
2nd - 2027 and 2028
3rd - 2026-27-28
4th - 2026

They may cash in on conditional picks. They have the Flint 2nd in 2028 tied to Thibodeau playing an OA season next year. Plus they have the BFD 3rd, 4th, and 5th if Malhotra reports but I am not sure we see that happen.

Kingston could stand pat but I don’t see why they would. They may be able to cobble together a 1st line but Battaglia will go for sure at the deadline. If he goes, so does Soto and Miedema. Their defence and goaltending will be absolute trash. It consists of Betts in net with Moore, Mondeau, and Williamson on Defence. Probably McGowan with them. Moore played half a season as a 17 year old and Mondeau played 8 games. Moore may prove to be ok but Mondeau? Ouch. Not good. Betts is completely unproven in net. They probably need a starter and that may cost them an OA slot unless they nail down an Import Goalie.

They are going to be scraping the bottom of the barrel just to ice 18 skaters and 2 goalies. It is not going to be pretty post-deadline. If it goes the way I think it will, they will be hard pressed to win games at all post-deadline. And, with no proven goaltending and weak defence, they are likely to give up a lot of goals pre-deadline. It is not like their returning forward group is all that skilled at goal prevention. Asking guys like Miedema, Battaglia, and Soto to play defence will be a pretty big challenge. McGowan and Williamson will play 48 minute per game!

AND, this should not come as a shock. It is not like this hasn’t been discussed ad nausium on the Fronts board last fall when discussing strategy for this year. Everyone over there knows this coming season is a flash sale. There really is no way around it. Hopkins may stay post-deadline but he’s going to be in tough if he does stay.

With respect to Korbler, what is an undersized 19 year old Import with 3 points playing half a season with Pinelli and Foster worth on the trade market?
I wouldn't be so sure Battaglia is moved.
Remember that time they didn't trade Ludwinski?
 
I wouldn't be so sure Battaglia is moved.
Remember that time they didn't trade Ludwinski?

Kingston probably will get a bit more than enough for their OAs to replace missing picks. But if they move Battaglia in a Barlow, Bertucci, …Mews type deal as well; Kingston likely won’t need to sell Dervin & Hopkins the following season.
North Bay and Owen Sound managed to re-tool in one season by bringing in players from three draft classes, four draft classes if including OAs to maintain three.
 
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Kingston probably will get a bit more than enough for their OAs to replace missing picks. But if they move Battaglia in a Barlow, Bertucci, …Mews type deal as well; Kingston likely won’t need to sell Dervin & Hopkins the following season.
North Bay and Owen Sound managed to re-tool in one season by bringing in players from three draft classes.
One thing I know is they will have to be very smart about it or they won't have a head coach.
He won't stick around for a fire sale.

They need to make a couple smart moves and hopefully find homes for Miedema, Uens and Vaccari and hope to fill a couple spots in the cupboard.
If they can reduce their OA problem and fill some spots without completely gutting the team it at least gives them a couple months to make a proper decision closer to the deadline when they can measure how the team will compete with what is likely going to be a pretty weak East next season.

If they are 5-8 place team i agree they should look at moving a Bishop or Battaglia for the restock.
Guys like Dervin and Hopkins are also able to bring massive returns if they really need to go all out.
 
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One thing I know is they will have to be very smart about it or they won't have a head coach.
He won't stick around for a fire sale.

They need to make a couple smart moves and hopefully find homes for Miedema, Uens and Vaccari and hope to fill a couple spots in the cupboard.
If they can reduce their OA problem and fill some spots without completely gutting the team it at least gives them a couple months to make a proper decision closer to the deadline when they can measure how the team will compete with what is likely going to be a pretty weak East next season.

If they are 5-8 place team i agree they should look at moving a Bishop or Battaglia for the restock.
Guys like Dervin and Hopkins are also able to bring massive returns if they really need to go all out.

I’d want to hang onto Dervin & Hopkins if possible to compete for a playoff spot, and not bottom out in 2026-27.
Oshawa and Sudbury could be the teams that bottom out next season. Moving Villeneuve, Walton, maybe Mews would have the wolves well stocked to open the new arena.
 
One thing I know is they will have to be very smart about it or they won't have a head coach.
He won't stick around for a fire sale.

They need to make a couple smart moves and hopefully find homes for Miedema, Uens and Vaccari and hope to fill a couple spots in the cupboard.
If they can reduce their OA problem and fill some spots without completely gutting the team it at least gives them a couple months to make a proper decision closer to the deadline when they can measure how the team will compete with what is likely going to be a pretty weak East next season.

If they are 5-8 place team i agree they should look at moving a Bishop or Battaglia for the restock.
Guys like Dervin and Hopkins are also able to bring massive returns if they really need to go all out.

If the Coach puts himself ahead of the goals of the team, then the coach should pack up and leave. The Coach is there to execute the Vision, not the other way around. I understand that the needs of the coach may not match the needs of the organization and that’s normal. But, under those circumstances, the coach is the one that lands at the bottom of the organization chart. As such, they are the ones that go.

The Fronts have two 1st round picks this coming draft plus Hopkins, and Williamson. Outside of that, they have virtually nothing going into 2026-27. Maybe Dervin depending on is College plans. And, Hopkins will be on his last season that year. They have no 2nd or 3rd round picks in 2025 so unless they hit on deep picks, they basically have the two guys they draft in round one this year. So, essentially they have four key players after next season. That is an awful situation to be in.

They have no choice but to structurally rebuild. Trading Battaglia will get them a fifth player to add to the other four but the better the player, the lessor the picks. As a winger, his value isn’t as high. Owen sound was fortunate in so far as they could point to Barlow’s draft position as a value escalator. So, even though Battaglia is more productive, I don’t think he would be worth more than Barlow but it will depend on what the market looks like next year. Barrie won’t have anything to trade so it looks like Brantford is the main player. Maybe Niagara. The west has been frugal lately with London being so dominant. We will see how the market unfolds.

Miedema and Soto will have value but as wingers that are not very defensively responsible, they won’t garner as much as the centres and D-Men. They will nail down enough picks to likely fill in the current gaps and that’s about it.

So, the plan should be to trade Miedema and Soto for the picks to get them back to square one and then trade Battaglia to get that elite young player. Any deviation from that is unacceptable. They won’t compete next year by keeping e very one and if they keep everyone, they will have no chance to compete for the next full cycle because they won’t have draft picks and they don’t have enough youth with high ceilings to be competitive the follow two season.

So, Mann is in a tough spot. He either eats his bowl of shit next year and sucks it up, or he eats his half bowl of shit for the next three years. He needs to pick one. If he doesn’t want to eat shit, then he needs to request out of his contract at the ed of the season and look for another opportunity.

This is the same reason why Ottawa fans are so pissed that Pinelli wasn’t traded. We don’t have enough future assets to make up for the two years of buying. Ottawa has Ekberg, Amidovski, Eshkawkogan, Nelson, and whomever they draft in round one this year (and maybe whomever they draft in round one of the Import draft? A bit of a crap shoot). We may be able to add Dietsch and Jackson to that mix and potentially Marrelli as an OA. So, Ottawa has more for 2026-27 than Kingston while not trading Pinelli, and even we are like….”ummmm, we are screwed.”

IMO, there is no way around it for Kingston. They don’t need to trade everyone but they need some early picks in 2026 and they need an elite prospect for Battaglia. I don’t think they will get both for Battaglia. They can get the picks but won’t get the elite player. They will get a serviceable player or two like Owen Sound but nothing major. They have to pick one or the other. Either way, Mann is behind the bench of a team will a ton of holes. And, to be completely real, this was discussed ad nausea early last fall when we were talking about whether this is a go-go year for Kingston because to do so would essentially require them tearing the team down to the timbers next year. Well, now we are there. There should be no confusion about what should happen next.
 
I’d want to hang onto Dervin & Hopkins if possible to compete for a playoff spot, and not bottom out in 2026-27.
Oshawa and Sudbury could be the teams that bottom out next season. Moving Villeneuve, Walton, maybe Mews would have the wolves well stocked to open the new arena.

I wouldn’t have an issue with that but, again, like the post above, the projected players they have going into 2026-27 is super weak. In a best case scenario, they will have:

? - Hopkins - ?
? - Dervin - ?
Clark - Buttar - Wright
? - Kelly - ?

? - Williamson
? - Moore
? - ?

Betts

They will have the two 1st round picks in 2025, two Imports, and one elite prospect in the Battaglia trade to add to that. Plus they will have the 2026 1st round pick. They will have the middling picks in 2025 plus any picks in 2026 they add via trades. So, no matter how you look at it, the 2026-27 roster will be YOUNG. Very Young. I don’t see a viable scenario where keeping Hopkins through that deadline makes any sense. The group they need to focus the next build around is the draft picks in 2025 and 2026.

I’d put all my focus into adding 2026 picks. They have no picks between the 3rd and 6th rounds. They need to fill all of those empty slots. It is imperative they add prospects in that draft after being light in 2025.

IMO, the team needs to have their resurgence in the 2027-28 season with their next Championship run in 2028-29. The 2025 draft picks will be their 19 year olds in the 2028-29 season. That group backed up by a solid group of 18 year olds drafted in 2026 draft should be good provided they make the sacrifices this coming season and potentially the one after by moving Hopkins.

This picture is why they needed to move Ludwinski. It would have lessened their need to move so much this year and would have softened their rebuild. None of this should be rocket science. If you push as hard as Kingston pushed when you didn’t stockpile assets to do it, you are handcuffed going forward. Either rip the bandage off all at once or tear it off little by little and feel the pain for a longer period.
 
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The central should be wicked next season. But in that best case scenario, Barrie would be in a tier of its’s own imo.

Maybe but Barrie is settled in. Other teams can trade ahead. Brantford still has loads of assets since they moved nothing this year after the Leenders deal. They still have TEN 2nds between 2026 and 2029 entering next deadline. They may also get Malhotra for a very little compensation package (3rd-4th-5th). They lose Lardis which will hurt. We will see what happens with Jiricek. But, they will return a strong team with loads of bullets to shoot next deadline. They look to potentially have two OA slots to improve on. Those spots are usually relatively cheap. Brantford has the ability to make a big push.

On top of that, we need to see what Barrie does in the playoffs this year. They have played very indifferently this year. They are better ron paper than their results. That is concerning. If they don’t live up to expectations this playoff, I am not sure that teams stays together as much as we think. They need to get through to round 3 at least. They should but no guarantee.
 
I wouldn’t have an issue with that but, again, like the post above, the projected players they have going into 2026-27 is super weak. In a best case scenario, they will have:

? - Hopkins - ?
? - Dervin - ?
Clark - Buttar - Wright
? - Kelly - ?

? - Williamson
? - Moore
? - ?

Betts

They will have the two 1st round picks in 2025, two Imports, and one elite prospect in the Battaglia trade to add to that. Plus they will have the 2026 1st round pick. They will have the middling picks in 2025 plus any picks in 2026 they add via trades. So, no matter how you look at it, the 2026-27 roster will be YOUNG. Very Young. I don’t see a viable scenario where keeping Hopkins through that deadline makes any sense. The group they need to focus the next build around is the draft picks in 2025 and 2026.

I’d put all my focus into adding 2026 picks. They have no picks between the 3rd and 6th rounds. They need to fill all of those empty slots. It is imperative they add prospects in that draft after being light in 2025.

IMO, the team needs to have their resurgence in the 2027-28 season with their next Championship run in 2028-29. The 2025 draft picks will be their 19 year olds in the 2028-29 season. That group backed up by a solid group of 18 year olds drafted in 2026 draft should be good provided they make the sacrifices this coming season and potentially the one after by moving Hopkins.

This picture is why they needed to move Ludwinski. It would have lessened their need to move so much this year and would have softened their rebuild. None of this should be rocket science. If you push as hard as Kingston pushed when you didn’t stockpile assets to do it, you are handcuffed going forward. Either rip the bandage off all at once or tear it off little by little and feel the pain for a longer period.

Ludwinski is near ancient history now. I didn’t think keeping Ludwinski was a totally terrible idea if only picks could be had at the time. Having watched Kingston quite a bit more this season, I could see the want to keep him to help the returning players learn to execute Mann’s system that really seems to require experienced players.

I can see NB having real interest in one of Meidema or Battaglia. While it probably does not suit Kingston, I think NB would not hesitate to move Moses and one of their four ‘07 D for a heavy vet LW.
 
If the Coach puts himself ahead of the goals of the team, then the coach should pack up and leave. The Coach is there to execute the Vision, not the other way around. I understand that the needs of the coach may not match the needs of the organization and that’s normal. But, under those circumstances, the coach is the one that lands at the bottom of the organization chart. As such, they are the ones that go.

The Fronts have two 1st round picks this coming draft plus Hopkins, and Williamson. Outside of that, they have virtually nothing going into 2026-27. Maybe Dervin depending on is College plans. And, Hopkins will be on his last season that year. They have no 2nd or 3rd round picks in 2025 so unless they hit on deep picks, they basically have the two guys they draft in round one this year. So, essentially they have four key players after next season. That is an awful situation to be in.

They have no choice but to structurally rebuild. Trading Battaglia will get them a fifth player to add to the other four but the better the player, the lessor the picks. As a winger, his value isn’t as high. Owen sound was fortunate in so far as they could point to Barlow’s draft position as a value escalator. So, even though Battaglia is more productive, I don’t think he would be worth more than Barlow but it will depend on what the market looks like next year. Barrie won’t have anything to trade so it looks like Brantford is the main player. Maybe Niagara. The west has been frugal lately with London being so dominant. We will see how the market unfolds.

Miedema and Soto will have value but as wingers that are not very defensively responsible, they won’t garner as much as the centres and D-Men. They will nail down enough picks to likely fill in the current gaps and that’s about it.

So, the plan should be to trade Miedema and Soto for the picks to get them back to square one and then trade Battaglia to get that elite young player. Any deviation from that is unacceptable. They won’t compete next year by keeping e very one and if they keep everyone, they will have no chance to compete for the next full cycle because they won’t have draft picks and they don’t have enough youth with high ceilings to be competitive the follow two season.

So, Mann is in a tough spot. He either eats his bowl of shit next year and sucks it up, or he eats his half bowl of shit for the next three years. He needs to pick one. If he doesn’t want to eat shit, then he needs to request out of his contract at the ed of the season and look for another opportunity.

This is the same reason why Ottawa fans are so pissed that Pinelli wasn’t traded. We don’t have enough future assets to make up for the two years of buying. Ottawa has Ekberg, Amidovski, Eshkawkogan, Nelson, and whomever they draft in round one this year (and maybe whomever they draft in round one of the Import draft? A bit of a crap shoot). We may be able to add Dietsch and Jackson to that mix and potentially Marrelli as an OA. So, Ottawa has more for 2026-27 than Kingston while not trading Pinelli, and even we are like….”ummmm, we are screwed.”

IMO, there is no way around it for Kingston. They don’t need to trade everyone but they need some early picks in 2026 and they need an elite prospect for Battaglia. I don’t think they will get both for Battaglia. They can get the picks but won’t get the elite player. They will get a serviceable player or two like Owen Sound but nothing major. They have to pick one or the other. Either way, Mann is behind the bench of a team will a ton of holes. And, to be completely real, this was discussed ad nausea early last fall when we were talking about whether this is a go-go year for Kingston because to do so would essentially require them tearing the team down to the timbers next year. Well, now we are there. There should be no confusion about what should happen next.
Coach is trying to get back to pro. -Like almost every coach in the league minus 2-3 guys like Cameron and Hunter due to both their own unique situations.
2 Seasons as a bottom feeder won't get you there.
You would have to be insane to think he would put the players and team before his families livelyhood.
He's a career AHL/ECHL pro coach that has not cashed in yet.

It's pretty simple this playoff run could open opportunities for T.M.
If there is not much success he may have no choice but to coach out the contract anyway.
I could see him going Pro again after next season if it's a fire sale.
He turned down a couple good opportunities for Kingston.
 
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Around 10:45 of that TSN1200 interview i believe Boyd is taking a shot at Kingston for having / bringing in so many 19 year olds lol.
What a guy criticizing another teams operations while we runs a team from 5 hours away from Ottawa.
 

Long interview with James Boyd on TSN 1200 yesterday. Worth a listen...

Excellent interview. I agree with nearly 100% of what Boyd had to say in this interview. Comments on the main topics:

1> 67’s season result
Boyd suggested that they faced a lot of adversity int he 2nd half and it hurt their ability to nail down a playoff spot. I agree 100%. The reality is this team keeping Pinelli and Foster should have made the playoffs. Without the rash of injuries, they likely would have. I have zero issues with that assessment.

2> Dave Cameron
The main point of this topic was that DC got way more negative online backlash than he deserved. I agree. He doesn’t pick the team. Did he make mistakes in deployment? Absolutely. And I think he would tell you that. I think he is self aware enough to say mistakes were made and he deserves criticism. But, I agree that the criticism has been over the top.

I also agree that Dave Cameron is a good coach. That really is not the issue. The issue is whether you feel Dave Cameron is suitable to take the 67’s through the entirety of the next cycle of 4-5 seasons into his 70’s. I have stated that having a one year coach this year and then replacing the coach at end of contract isn’t ideal. IF you are going to rebuild, do it with one coach through the cycle. So, if they plan on endorsing him for next year, then give him an additional 3-year contract extension. Commit to the continuity.

3> NCAA Recruits
Boyd suggested there will be a lot of players joining the CHL. There were a strong numebr of players on their current teams that were getting significant ice time and it don’t make sense for them to jump ship mid-season but it does make sense now for them to jump ship next season. They are talking to a lot of their existing draft picks and conversations are ongoing and he is confident they will land some additional players that likely would not have joined had the rules not changed.

This is one of the key factors that will guide how teams structure their rosters. He mentioned that there are multiple age cohorts that are affected and teams could bring in a handful of more mature 19 year olds and gear up knowing they will graduate a lot of players. Thent here are the other teams that may bring in the younger players and scatter the ages to match the normal graduation rates. So team structure and roster build will be tested by many teams this coming season.

Overall, this interview was great. A lot of good info.
 
Coach is trying to get back to pro. -Like almost every coach in the league minus 2-3 guys like Cameron and Hunter due to both their own unique situations.
2 Seasons as a bottom feeder won't get you there.
You would have to be insane to think he would put the players and team before his families livelyhood.
He's a career AHL/ECHL pro coach that has not cashed in yet.

It's pretty simple this playoff run could open opportunities for T.M.
If there is not much success he may have no choice but to coach out the contract anyway.
I could see him going Pro again after next season if it's a fire sale.
He turned down a couple good opportunities for Kingston.
I said very clearly that the coaches goals and the teams goals aren’t’ always aligned. In those situations, it onus is on the coach to leave, not the other way around. The reality is the returning roster combined with assets in hand will not give MAnn what he needs to match his own personal goals so there really is only one move for him to make. That is to put full effort behind the results of this seaosn and hope to Hell it translates for him so he gets an offer somewhere now.

If Mann has to return next year without another viable offer in the pro ranks, he is screwed. HE won’t’ be able to get what he needs no matter what Kingston does because that team pushed everything behind this season. It is not like any of the options available to Kingston include some strategy that works for Mann returning to pro if he can’t do it this year.
 
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Ludwinski is near ancient history now. I didn’t think keeping Ludwinski was a totally terrible idea if only picks could be had at the time. Having watched Kingston quite a bit more this season, I could see the want to keep him to help the returning players learn to execute Mann’s system that really seems to require experienced players.

I can see NB having real interest in one of Meidema or Battaglia. While it probably does not suit Kingston, I think NB would not hesitate to move Moses and one of their four ‘07 D for a heavy vet LW.

Ludwinski and how they strategically approached that season is relevant to now because it sits as an example of where you can end up when you don’t align resources effectively. Even if they had only received draft picks for him, they’d at least have a moderately full draft cabinet right now OR have another payer on roster to help them go further this year. Pick one.

They will be faced with the same decision next year with Battaglia. Or, more accurately, probably Hopkins in 2026-27 is more a same-same scenario because that trade will be a deal the seaosn prior to a seaosn where they will be poised to do some damage. If that deal is in the rear view mirror never to be brought back up, Kingston may make the same mistake again.
 
Around 10:45 of that TSN1200 interview i believe Boyd is taking a shot at Kingston for having / bringing in so many 19 year olds lol.
What a guy criticizing another teams operations while we runs a team from 5 hours away from Ottawa.

I don’t think he pointed to Kingston specifically. He stated clearly that teams may have an opportunity this year to add a bunch of 19 year old NCAA guys but doing so makes it more difficult to manage graduation.

Just because that is what Kingston faces right now doesn’t mean he was mocking Kingston. That translates to what the Petes have gone thorugh and what Barrie ill go thorough if they make another run next year. Maybe Brantford as well if they make a bunch of buyer moves. It is not like that situation is owned by Kingston. Loads of examples of teams struggling to rebuild as a result of going very veteran heavy for a playoff run.

Of course, the flip side to that is the 67’s and Boyd not making it past the 2nd round for not doing it….so loads of perspectives on that available for criticism both ways…if it is in fact criticism on his part, which I don’t think it was. I think he was simply pointing to the opportunity cost of challenges related to roster construction year over year when you bulk up with one age cohort.
 
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Ludwinski and how they strategically approached that season is relevant to now because it sits as an example of where you can end up when you don’t align resources effectively. Even if they had only received draft picks for him, they’d at least have a moderately full draft cabinet right now OR have another payer on roster to help them go further this year. Pick one.

They will be faced with the same decision next year with Battaglia. Or, more accurately, probably Hopkins in 2026-27 is more a same-same scenario because that trade will be a deal the seaosn prior to a seaosn where they will be poised to do some damage. If that deal is in the rear view mirror never to be brought back up, Kingston may make the same mistake again.
I think Coop had a belief they may get Ludwinski back even know he was told otherwise by Chi.
When you look at his stat line it looks like he could have used the extra year in Major JR in all honesty but they didn't want to pay him to play JR.

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Maybe but Barrie is settled in. Other teams can trade ahead. Brantford still has loads of assets since they moved nothing this year after the Leenders deal. They still have TEN 2nds between 2026 and 2029 entering next deadline. They may also get Malhotra for a very little compensation package (3rd-4th-5th). They lose Lardis which will hurt. We will see what happens with Jiricek. But, they will return a strong team with loads of bullets to shoot next deadline. They look to potentially have two OA slots to improve on. Those spots are usually relatively cheap. Brantford has the ability to make a big push.

On top of that, we need to see what Barrie does in the playoffs this year. They have played very indifferently this year. They are better ron paper than their results. That is concerning. If they don’t live up to expectations this playoff, I am not sure that teams stays together as much as we think. They need to get through to round 3 at least. They should but no guarantee.

I’m not sure what you are getting. The colts are in good shape for the ‘25 OHL draft, are among the very best signing imports, and are well stocked with 2007-08 born. As it stands, the ‘06 class is quite simply better than any other. The OAs should be at least ok with Gardiner & Tiller.
I am a lot more confident in the colts coming out the east now than I was late January to early March TBH.
 
I said very clearly that the coaches goals and the teams goals aren’t’ always aligned. In those situations, it onus is on the coach to leave, not the other way around. The reality is the returning roster combined with assets in hand will not give MAnn what he needs to match his own personal goals so there really is only one move for him to make. That is to put full effort behind the results of this seaosn and hope to Hell it translates for him so he gets an offer somewhere now.

If Mann has to return next year without another viable offer in the pro ranks, he is screwed. HE won’t’ be able to get what he needs no matter what Kingston does because that team pushed everything behind this season. It is not like any of the options available to Kingston include some strategy that works for Mann returning to pro if he can’t do it this year.
I have to admit i skim through some of your long posts as they are pretty long.
I agree though if the goals don't align a decision will have to be made.

Starting in Sept T.M also has a 3 year year connection to Kingston for personal reasons so also could motivate him to finish out the 3 years regardless i guess.
 
I think Coop had a belief they may get Ludwinski back even know he was told otherwise by Chi.
When you look at his stat line it looks like he could have used the extra year in Major JR in all honesty but they didn't want to pay him to play JR.

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Fair enough but that is a big risk. You had a 100% guarantee that if they used the assets on his replacement, they’d have gotten a similar level of OHL production,. That is why assets are pushed forward.

I know I criticized the total package for Guindon and I ended up being wrong but you’d have gotten more for Ludwinski than you traded for Guindon, yet the production from Guindon as an OA rivalled what you’d have gotten from Ludwinski….minus some other attributes not related to scoring.

I think that’s the overall point, no? I can understand if the player is exceptional and an integral part of the team and is probably 75% chance of returning. But, when you have the eNHL team saying he’s not coming back, you can’t think you know more than the NHL team that holds his rights and has a plan for his development mapped out. The only way he comes back is if the player underachieves AND the NHL team is willing to admit they read the situation wrong. The first part may happen a lot. The second part? Not often.

That was a huge gamble that may have cost them the ability of adding a significant player for this current roster. With how close things are right now, not only may it have cost them 1st in the conference but it may also cost them dearly in round 2….although, personally, I’d like to see the Fronts get to Round 3.
 
Fair enough but that is a big risk. You had a 100% guarantee that if they used the assets on his replacement, they’d have gotten a similar level of OHL production,. That is why assets are pushed forward.

I know I criticized the total package for Guindon and I ended up being wrong but you’d have gotten more for Ludwinski than you traded for Guindon, yet the production from Guindon as an OA rivalled what you’d have gotten from Ludwinski….minus some other attributes not related to scoring.

I think that’s the overall point, no? I can understand if the player is exceptional and an integral part of the team and is probably 75% chance of returning. But, when you have the eNHL team saying he’s not coming back, you can’t think you know more than the NHL team that holds his rights and has a plan for his development mapped out. The only way he comes back is if the player underachieves AND the NHL team is willing to admit they read the situation wrong. The first part may happen a lot. The second part? Not often.

That was a huge gamble that may have cost them the ability of adding a significant player for this current roster. With how close things are right now, not only may it have cost them 1st in the conference but it may also cost them dearly in round 2….although, personally, I’d like to see the Fronts get to Round 3.
Sometime's people over value draft picks too. -They are monopoly money.
Look at how stacked Kingston was with Picks they couldn't really use them still land the big names on the market? Other then Willis the moves were pretty lackluster IMO.
Schenkel addressed a need but the cost was minimal and they didnt need Ludwinski's picks to address it.
Unfortunate they had to take 2 attempts at it when they could have just listened last summer.

So essentially they would have had all those picks for Ludwinski to use on their go for it year to likely still only waste them on a bottom 6 or bottom pairing player.

I think they took a bit of a gamble knowing they could cut Uens free hoping they could get Ludwinski sent back.
I don't think its the end of the world to be honest.
They will have have a shit ton of picks again when they sell of this summer or at next trade deadline anyway and refill 26 and 27.

They basically haver a full cupboard this coming draft when you break it down.
 
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I’m not sure what you are getting. The colts are in good shape for the ‘25 OHL draft, are among the very best signing imports, and are well stocked with 2007-08 born. As it stands, the ‘06 class is quite simply better than any other. The OAs should be at least ok with Gardiner & Tiller.
I am a lot more confident in the colts coming out the east now than I was late January to early March TBH.

On Paper, the Colts should have been literally unstoppable in the 2nd half. They were underwhelming to say the least. 18-10-2 is not great for that roster. More specifically, their last 20 games 11-9. If that doesn’t at least give some pause, I don’t know what to say to be honest. Again, they should have steam rolled the league not named London.

To be honest, I find Oshawa also underwhelming. And Brampton has been underwhelming over the full season but their last 20 games were 15-3-2. That is what we should have seen from Barrie.

This is why I said we need to see how the playoffs unfold. Brantford have been an absolute train the 2nd half. Brampton has been much better down the stretch. Barrie and Oshawa have been underwhelming. Kingston has been good. I need to see how these playoffs unfold before I I put any sort of emphasis on next years predictions because if Barrie were to lose to Kingston in Round 2, the outlook for next year may not look as bright without the playoff result.
 
Sometime's people over value draft picks too. -They are monopoly money.
Look at how stacked Kingston was with Picks they couldn't really use them still land the big names on the market? Other then Willis the moves were pretty lackluster IMO.
Schenkel addressed a need but the cost was minimal and they didnt need Ludwinski's picks to address it.
Unfortunate they had to take 2 attempts at it when they could have just listened last summer.

So essentially they would have had all those picks for Ludwinski to use on their go for it year to likely still only waste them on a bottom 6 or bottom pairing player.

I think they took a bit of a gamble knowing they could cut Uens free hoping they could get Ludwinski sent back.
I don't think its the end of the world to be honest.
They will have have a shit ton of picks again when they sell of this summer or at next trade deadline anyway.

I agree they will have a lot of picks when they sell off. That isn’t the issue. The issue is not having the player they probably would have gotten for Ludwinski (or the picks package). I really think that with the way that trade deadline unfolded, with Ludwinski being a centre, they likely would have gotten a good player. Maybe not a player that would have made a valuable impact this year int he top 6 but at least a player that lessens their need to push as hard selling this year. That’s my overall point.

Maybe Kingston had issues getting trades done because players didn’t’ want to go there. Fair. But, that also supports my original strategy recommendation for Kingston which was to not go for it this year and try to build a stronger reputation and be consistently good for a few season so that sort of thing isn’t an issue. That’s sort of the trade off they made. Make a last ditch effort this year and face whatever unfolds next year instead of be solid this year, and keep building by strategically pushing some assets forward. It is what it is. I am not invested in one strategy over the other but for either strategy, IMO, Ludwinski needed to be moved. Either that or don’t bring in Dubois. When they brought in Dubois, I thought it was a brilliant move because it looked like he would slip into Ludwinski’s spot when he was traded. When that didn't happen, I was confused.
 
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