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GDT: Pens vs Sens 1700hrs EST: Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

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Ryder71 said:
The Ducks are up by ONE point and right now trail early against the leafs. The Wings and Islanders are up on us by three. You can't assume they'll win those games in hand. Do I think we'll pass up all three? Highly unlikely. Do I think we'll pass up one of them up? Very likely.

We play at St. Louis and at Dallas, we need to lose both in Reg before our B2B with Chicago. Gotta hope the Hawks beat us like they did a couple years back with the season on the line.
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You literally keep ignoring that all of these teams have 2-3 games in hand on the Penguins.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
You literally keep ignoring that all of these teams have 2-3 games in hand on the Penguins.
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Look at the Wings schedule, look at our schedule. Do you seriously look at those schedules and not think we could accrue three more points than they do? Games in hand don't necessarily equate to wins for those teams.

DET was all out to beat boston last night and they really suck.
 
My coping mechanism is just telling myself that this team would've taken McQueen or some stupid bullshit if they'd done it right this TDL and traded Rakell and dropped into like 4th overall at the draft.
 
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Ryder71 said:
Look at the Wings schedule, look at our schedule. Do you seriously look at those schedules and not think we could accrue three more points than they do? Games in hand don't necessarily equate to wins for those teams.

DET was all out to beat boston last night and they really suck.
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The Penguins and Wings have 3 of the same matchups (Blues, Stars and Devils) in their remaining games. The other 4 games for the Penguins (Hawks twice, Bruins and Capitals) are easier than the other 6 games for the Wings (Panthers twice, Hurricanes, Canadiens, Lightning and Leafs), but that doesn't magically mean the Penguins are going to go 4-0 in those games.

If the two teams have identical results against the Blues, Stars and Devils, the Penguins need to win 2 more games in 4 games than the Wings win in 6 games. If the Penguins go 2-2, that means the Wings have to go 0-6 to fall behind the Penguins in the standings. That's why it's a ridiculous thing to be screeching about. 3 points ahead in the standings with 2 games in hand is a huge advantage with teams only having 7-9 games left. The Wings basically have to lose out or damn close to it for them to somehow fall behind the Penguins in the standings.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
The Penguins and Wings have 3 of the same matchups (Blues, Stars and Devils) in their remaining games. The other 4 games for the Penguins (Hawks twice, Bruins and Capitals) are easier than the other 6 games for the Wings (Panthers twice, Hurricanes, Canadiens, Lightning and Leafs), but that doesn't magically mean the Penguins are going to go 4-0 in those games.

If the two teams have identical results against the Blues, Stars and Devils, the Penguins need to win 2 more games in 4 games than the Wings win in 6 games. If the Penguins go 2-2, that means the Wings have to go 0-6 to fall behind the Penguins in the standings. That's why it's a ridiculous thing to be screeching about. 3 points ahead in the standings with 2 games in hand is a huge advantage with teams only having 7-9 games left. The Wings basically have to lose out or damn close to it for them to somehow fall behind the Penguins in the standings.
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I could see the Wings go 2-7 with that schedule. I could see PIT go 4-3 with their schedule. I'm not saying it's likely but is possible. Look at the Isles, they're in a tail spin. Now their schedule isn't as bad as the wings. But when you lose that many you never know where it ends up.

The Ducks are losing 2-1 right now against the leafs and are up one point on us in the standings. Hope they come back but that's one of their games in hand.

Tell you what, if they finish 5-6-7 OA or better I'll come in here seek you out and tell you ''YOU DA MAN'' and like every post I see of yours for one week. And I sincerely hope you're right!

Conversely, if they are 9TH OA or worse than you seek me out and say to me ''YOU DA MAN'' and like every single post of mine for a week.

If they finish 8TH OA its a draw and we continue being prickly with each other, deal?

Well... we're waiting:D
 
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Ryder71 said:
Look at the Wings schedule, then look at our schedule. Isles have lost five in a row.

Sullivan will have these guys playing balls to the wall each and every game. And you wanna put faith in the Ducks? Look, all I'm saying is we should look at who's right above us in the standing as well who's right below us.

We need to lose our next three in REG. Pretty sure the Wings will lose at least seven of their next nine.
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I mean sure every team could lose out and we could win some games.

But we're talking about what's likely here, not edge cases. Those teams would have to really blow all of their games in hand for the Pens to have a good chance to pass them. And it seems unlikely that happens.
 
Big Friggin Dummy said:
My coping mechanism is just telling myself that this team would've taken McQueen or some stupid bullshit if they'd done it right this TDL and traded Rakell and dropped into like 4th overall at the draft.
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I don't think it ultimately matters anyways that much. I'd be annoyed if we were costing ourselves a top three pick but we aren't. We should get a good prospect regardless of where we end up.
 
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Pancakes said:
I mean sure every team could lose out and we could win some games.

But we're talking about what's likely here, not edge cases. Those teams would have to really blow all of their games in hand for the Pens to have a good chance to pass them. And it seems unlikely that happens.
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We play chicago twice, they are 1-9 in their last 10 games. Now that doesn't mean we'll beat them both games but it's likely we'll accrue some points. We also host the Bruins who are in full tank mode and who have lost eight in a row.

Again, there are three teams just ahead of us. Are you telling me that Sullivan and Jarry aren't likely to F us over here and slip ahead of one or more of those teams? I think they will. because Sullivan wants them to COMPETE! Today was an ample illustration of that.
 
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Ryder71 said:
We play chicago twice, they are 1-9 in their last 10 games. Now that doesn't mean we'll beat them both games but it's likely we'll accrue some points. We also host the Bruins who are in full tank mode and who have lost eight in a row.

Again, there are three teams just ahead of us. Are you telling me that Sullivan and Jarry aren't likely to F us over here and slip ahead of one or more of those teams? I think they will. because Sullivan wants them to COMPETE! Today was an ample illustration of that.
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No point in panicking over what ifs. If it happens we can all complain.

Who knows how the lottery goes too. Chicago fans were probably pissed when they beat us and dropped to third but then they won the lottery being in that slot.
 
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Pancakes said:
No point in panicking over what ifs. If it happens we can all complain.

Who knows how the lottery goes too. Chicago fans were probably pissed when they beat us and dropped to third but then they won the lottery being in that slot.
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I'm not panicking, I'm just telling you that the teams slightly ahead of us have tougher schedules than we do. DET in Particular. The Ducks beyond their next game as well.

When individuals put up lists as to where we are in the standings and only consider the teams below us their not painting the entire picture.

Ducks had a game in hand tonight and lost in REG. Case in point!

If we are to stay in contention for 7th OA we can't go above 75 points, if we do there's very little chance we'll be 7th OA or better. We'd have to go 2-5. Doesn't seem likely.
 
Ryder71 said:
I'm not panicking, I'm just telling you that the teams slightly ahead of us have tougher schedules than we do. DET in Particular. The Ducks beyond their next game as well.

When individuals put up lists as to where we are in the standings and only consider the teams below us their not painting the entire picture.

Ducks had a game in hand tonight and lost in REG. Case in point!

If we are to stay in contention for 7th OA we can't go above 75 points, if we do there's very little chance we'll be 7th OA or better. We'd have to go 2-5. Doesn't seem likely.
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We play St. Louis and Dallas on the road this week. Hopefully two losses
 
I’m okay with the franchise altering picks being in the next few drafts. The guy we get this year will be a top-tier support player for those picks.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Since the deadline, the Penguins are 6-4-1 and Rakell being here only seems to really have added maybe 1 or 2 wins there.

This team won't bottom out because it has Sidney Crosby on it, not because of a decision they made with Rakell.
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That only makes sense if a player doesn’t have an impact outside of scoring goals which is absolutely not true.

Even if you it’s only two games that’s 4 points. Meaning we have 67 points. Puts us at 4th overall. Hard to deny we’re not a better team with Rakell on it.
 
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I think it was Wilson on Bluesky that noted that Dubas should have kneecapped this team by trading Rakell. I waver with keeping Rakell or not, as I see the justification for both sides... if they can retool quickly with what they have, he's a huge asset for the push, however the haul he brings back this year could be pretty significant. However I am leaning more towards he should have traded him, and by doing that telling the team the rebuild is on. Crosby is going to Crosby, so talking away his toys makes it less likely he pulls us to a much worse draft pick.

and Jarry... What the ever loving f*** is happening here? This play before the deadline makes the team buyers, at the start of the season gives them hope, and we all know if any of this solid play happens and they buy, he then shits the bed after the deadline. How can they get rid of this guy? I'm even ok with a negative value trade at this point.
 
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Jacob said:
McGroarty’s skating is whatever but you can really see Koivunen’s is pretty rough. Heavy feet, looks like his skates are made of lead.
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So according to edge, McGroaty topped out at almost 22 mph which would make him just below average.

Koivunen though…18 mph. It’s only one game so hopefully as he plays more that goes up. To put it in perspective Hayes top speed this year is 21 mph. Acciari 20.97.

If he really is that much slower than everyone else I don’t see how he’ll survive in the league.
 
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eXile3 said:
So according to edge, McGroaty topped out at almost 22 mph which would make him just below average.

Koivunen though…18 mph. It’s only one game so hopefully as he plays more that goes up. To put it in perspective Hayes top speed this year is 21 mph. Acciari 20.97.

If he really is that much slower than everyone else I don’t see how he’ll survive in the league.
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That is far and away his Achilles hill.
 
eXile3 said:
That only makes sense if a player doesn’t have an impact outside of scoring goals which is absolutely not true.

Even if you it’s only two games that’s 4 points. Meaning we have 67 points. Puts us at 4th overall. Hard to deny we’re not a better team with Rakell on it.
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Every win knocks us down one place in the standings essentially if not more. 100% agree. Not trading Rakell absolutely is hurting us currently.
 
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