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2024 2025 Tank Thread

ManVanFan said:
There is but I just don't think there is that much upside in any 1st round ever. You know what I mean?
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Yes and no. I actually feel this isn't a bad year to be drafting in the middle of the first round. There are a lot of high upside forwards in this year's draft. The depth past the first round is quite ugly though.

The best drafting teams (Dallas, Washington, Carolina, St. Louis) have drafted for upside for years and it has worked out for them.
 
clay said:
Yes and no. I actually feel this isn't a bad year to be drafting in the middle of the first round. There are a lot of high upside forwards in this year's draft. The depth past the first round is quite ugly though.

The best drafting teams (Dallas, Washington, Carolina, St. Louis) have drafted for upside for years and it has worked out for them.
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Those 4 teams to me draft using analytics quite a bit. We all know Carolina does and it shows.

I don't think this draft is 2012 bad. If 2012 is a 1 and 2015 is a 5 star draft. This draft is a 2 star draft Lol.
 
BenningHurtsMySoul said:
It's too late for a tank. Either playoffs or a mid teens pick. Just have to hope they make the right choice with the pick they have, or someone sneaks through that isn't a sea of red flags.
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That is 100% correct it is too late to tank. But what’s worse now is most likely can’t make the playoffs now too…
 
Pius Suter the guy we should have traded at the deadline ruining our draft position in a lost season. Happens every single time.

Best case at this point is probably like 14th overall.

Should still be able to get Bear/Martin/Kindel
 
BenningHurtsMySoul said:
We are the 2010-2020 Minnesota Wild.
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We are back in the Jet Black timeline after the bubble. Next year could be even worse than this depending on what we do in the summer.
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Dollars to donuts the Canucks won't draft first round. Every year they try to trade their cow for a bag of magic beans. Worked one year with JT Miller, but then there is the Gudbransen and Oliver Ekman Larsen deals. Blah.
 
There's almost no worse place to be in the NHL than the 'mushy middle' just outside the playoff cut line...And that' where the Canucks find themselves.

Let's face it, if they'd been able to accept the fact that they basically 'suck' they'd have traded both Boeser and Suter--and gotten something back for them. Would it have weakened them down the stretch? Obviously. But they're not making the playoffs anyway.

But it happens every TDL in March. Teams that fancy themselves as playoff teams, squander valuable assets or fail to trade their impending UFA's in some vain hope they're somehow going to make it.

And failing to maximize the value of your tradeable players is a monumental 'fail' imo.
 
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Dropping down to 12th is doable lower than that I don’t see it. The Canadiens, Rangers, and Jackets are playing for the last wildcard spot and have started to play better as of late. Utah is playing good hockey and the Flames should continue to wins or get points down the stretch.
 
I just don't understand the point of getting excited for losing games when you all know we are trading the pick regardless.

in a weak draft, picking 12-15 is basically no difference
 
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Random, but when was the last time we traded up in the first round? Schnieder for Horvat is the only draft i can remember them trading into the top 10
 
In the end, the fanbase and the ownership have different goals. The goal of ownership is to maximize profit. The goal of the fanbase is to win the Cup. It's nice when the two goals align, but much of fan misery arises when they don't, IMO.

It takes courage to make the hard decisions at the right time if the goal is to win the Cup. It's much easier to defer making the hard decisions if the goal is to maximize profit for the owner.

Ultimately, we fans have to decide how much we're willing to put up with so that billionaire owners can maximize their ROI.

/rant
 
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Canucks never tank. Every year they try to make playoffs only to miss it slightly. Not good enough to get in, not bad enough to get a good pick. Middle of the pack team
 
Javaman said:
In the end, the fanbase and the ownership have different goals. The goal of ownership is to maximize profit. The goal of the fanbase is to win the Cup. It's nice when the two goals align, but much of fan misery arises when they don't, IMO.

It takes courage to make the hard decisions at the right time if the goal is to win the Cup. It's much easier to defer making the hard decisions if the goal is to maximize profit for the owner.

Ultimately, we fans have to decide how much we're willing to put up with so that billionaire owners can maximize their ROI.

/rant
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Wouldn't a cup contending team be much better for maximizing profit? I sure the most profitable years in Canucks history is the 2010-12 period. Having 1 deep playoff run is worth so much more than the 1-round-then-out or narrowly-missing-the-playoff situations. I don't get why the two goals wouldn't align? Its not like we are Carolina where if you struggle a couple seasons your attendance might crater.
 
Bubbles said:
That is not the Canuck way. The Canuck way is to lose as many games as possible until mathematically eliminated, than win the rest of the meaningless games to decrease the draft odds. That is tradition.
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Yep. We 100% know they're gonna go on a win streak now just to finish 1 point outside the playoffs.
 
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