Ottawa 67s 2024 25 Season Thread Part Iii

His Dad played at 6’1”. You have ot think he will at least get to 6’0”. That size and tenacious is enough. We don’t need an NHL prospect, we need an elite OHL player.
Can you not be an elite player as a NHL prospect. or are you sayin g Misa is not an elite player.

When youa re drafting inthe top 10 iof the draft most of those plaes are elite and are looking at the NHL in their future.

BUT they need a coach that can develop them further to wht the NHL wants. THAT IS NOT DEC

As to max Delisle I am looking at the top 65 on Elite and he isnot evwen listed there are others frmhs team but not him
 
His Dad played at 6’1”. You have ot think he will at least get to 6’0”. That size and tenacious is enough. We don’t need an NHL prospect, we need an elite OHL player.
His dad also had some issues with Killer that led to him finishing his Junior career elsewhere. One of my Memorial Cup jerseys is his #23. When Max was 9, he played Minor Atom A in Seaway and scored 80 goals with them. He played 5 games as an affiliate with Minor PW (a team two years older) and scored 5 more.

Size isn't an issue. We need players who can score and lift the team when needed.
 
His dad also had some issues with Killer that led to him finishing his Junior career elsewhere. One of my Memorial Cup jerseys is his #23. When Max was 9, he played Minor Atom A in Seaway and scored 80 goals with them. He played 5 games as an affiliate with Minor PW (a team two years older) and scored 5 more.

Size isn't an issue. We need players who can score and lift the team when needed.

Preference is for size and compete level as a two-prong threat when the playoffs roll around, otherwise you end up watching round three from home after being a 110 point regular season team….
 
I don’t feel that is the complete picture. I try to keep it real. I may not feel that DC is the ideal option for the 67’s and I would like to see him replaced; however, I will come to his defence when I feel it is warranted.

The Head Coach’s primary job is to win games. So, they set a lineup that suits winning games. Other than his love affair with Korbler, I believe he mostly did that. Rookie opportunities (as well as younger players that lack experience) get “responsible” ice time. They get placed in protected situations until they prove they can handle more of a workload. You cannot just will a kid into confidence and performance.

Amidovski started very slow. HE didn’t do anything to help his own case. He struggled on the 4th line. He struggled on the 3rd line. The type of game he plays wasn’t translating at his maturity level. Should have have suited up for the home opener? Absolutely. But, I don’t have any issues with how he was deployed in the first half. The second half he had a fair amount of injury issues that really hurt his opportunities. The second half is wher ethe 16 year olds tend to start to gather steam but he didn’t play much.

For Ekberg, it was sort of the same thing. HE was contributing on the power play with extra time and space but he wasn’t consistently able to generate offence at even strength. Personally, I would have played him more consistently higher in the lineup but I can see why DC didn’t. My main issue was that he didnt get a chance at centre. I think his skill set translates well at centre ice.

The reality is, it is Boyd’s responsibility to clear the deck for the young guys. Pinelli and Foster should have been gone at the deadline. No question about it. Clearing that deck was imperative to opening up space for young guys. But, he didn’t. You cannot play Pinelli 16 minutes per game in favour of rookies. You have ot play him 24 minutes. You have no choice. That first line is going to get run out there at a minimum of every third shift. You can shelter the young guys in the fist half but you then need to push them in the 2nd half and doing that required Boyd to clear the deck at the deadline.

In fact, Boyd has a horrible habit of hoarding players. They need to settle on a roster sooner. I understand injuries come into play but dressing 11 ‘08s is silly. How can you do anything with so many guys vying for the same minutes? Crazy.

So, this isn’t a DC issue IMO. This is a GM issue. Sure, the coach can dictate who plays and how often but when the Head Coach and GM put their brain boxes together and decide this team actually had a chance to do something special this year, that is a sign of just how disconnected they both are. Of course DC Is going to play to win. He is gong to ride his veteran players to death. Look at the goalie splits in the 2nd half. MacKenzie played 20 games to Nelson’s 13. They were trying to win at all costs. No coach is going to focus on developing young guys when the GM decides to keep Pinelli and Foster. That is just azz-backwards.

OSEG needs to make a major change IMO. The evidence of mistakes, poor judgement, poor self realization, leading to a lack of positive direction has really put this team in an awful situation. But, if we look at it from an individual player perspective, one that is drafted top 4, I don’t see the current Ottawa situation being a net negative for that player at all. Could it be better with a GM/Coach change? YEs. Could it end up being worse. Absolutely. Depends on who they hire! For example, who is to say that Egert taking the reins as GM and Milley manning the bench changes anything? Both worked under the guys that got canned. Will they be any different?
In the OHL ever since it was affiliated with NHL teams the main goal of the teams is to develop hockey start and great members of the community.

While winning games is a buy product of it If you look at the good caoches they developed their winning teams through developing their players.

All this noise abut the facilities means Jack crap How many 67's have beenthescholastic winner in the league. Every team has a great school package that is required by the OHL

Training facilites again every team has them. Kingston has one of the best med facilites and elite therapists and docotrs at QUEEN'S AND RMC. The office facilites are a match. A team like Ottawa could have unlimited access to the Snes systems a Toronto team could have acces to the Marlies and leafs system and the schools there.

BUT THAT MEANS JACK SQUAT IF THE TEAM DOES NOT HAVE THE staff to develop players and make them better hockey players and members of society.

Ottawa does not have a system to devleop layers nor a coaching staff that knows how to do it.
Itis hit and miss the on ice product sucks. Do you think that Misa, Martone et al would be better players if they played here.
Why did the picks refuce toplay here. Why is HB a top stud but would not play here if things as so GREAT.

THE ANSWER IS THE TEAM SUCKS

The players ability sucks
Probably their attitude sucks
their development sucks

What does that come down to simple the coaching sucks. The GM is a wimp.

Do you think that if Boyd had said Lisen Luca we are going to be in a rebulding year. and therfore we are after the deadline going to be playing our younger players more so ou will lose your ice time that Pinelli would have stayed.

As to teams tht know they are losing how do the Petes attract players if they have been so bad over the last couple of years. How is Niagara doing.

Teams go through cycles player know that. look at Killers teams He told Alyn that they were going to build the team around him and they gam\vbe him the ice time to develop. Same with Monahan and a lot of other players.

I strongly doubt Quinn wuld be in the NHL if DC was his coach because DC would not have given him the coaching and ice time that Andre did.
 
Can you not be an elite player as a NHL prospect. or are you sayin g Misa is not an elite player.

When youa re drafting inthe top 10 iof the draft most of those plaes are elite and are looking at the NHL in their future.

BUT they need a coach that can develop them further to wht the NHL wants. THAT IS NOT DEC

As to max Delisle I am looking at the top 65 on Elite and he isnot evwen listed there are others frmhs team but not him
Max Delisle is on every 2025 prospect list I looked at going back the beginning of the season. Do your homework and stop embarrassing yourself. All you do is come on here and complain about the team and the coach. We get it, the coach is bad, the GM is bad, the players are bad, no one is going to want to play here. It's like a broken record that gets played over and over and over. For god's sake give a rest. Stick to pro wrestling and Dungeons and Dragons.
 
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In the OHL ever since it was affiliated with NHL teams the main goal of the teams is to develop hockey start and great members of the community.

While winning games is a buy product of it If you look at the good caoches they developed their winning teams through developing their players.

All this noise abut the facilities means Jack crap How many 67's have beenthescholastic winner in the league. Every team has a great school package that is required by the OHL

Training facilites again every team has them. Kingston has one of the best med facilites and elite therapists and docotrs at QUEEN'S AND RMC. The office facilites are a match. A team like Ottawa could have unlimited access to the Snes systems a Toronto team could have acces to the Marlies and leafs system and the schools there.

BUT THAT MEANS JACK SQUAT IF THE TEAM DOES NOT HAVE THE staff to develop players and make them better hockey players and members of society.

Ottawa does not have a system to devleop layers nor a coaching staff that knows how to do it.
Itis hit and miss the on ice product sucks. Do you think that Misa, Martone et al would be better players if they played here.
Why did the picks refuce toplay here. Why is HB a top stud but would not play here if things as so GREAT.

THE ANSWER IS THE TEAM SUCKS

The players ability sucks
Probably their attitude sucks
their development sucks

What does that come down to simple the coaching sucks. The GM is a wimp.

Do you think that if Boyd had said Lisen Luca we are going to be in a rebulding year. and therfore we are after the deadline going to be playing our younger players more so ou will lose your ice time that Pinelli would have stayed.

As to teams tht know they are losing how do the Petes attract players if they have been so bad over the last couple of years. How is Niagara doing.

Teams go through cycles player know that. look at Killers teams He told Alyn that they were going to build the team around him and they gam\vbe him the ice time to develop. Same with Monahan and a lot of other players.

I strongly doubt Quinn wuld be in the NHL if DC was his coach because DC would not have given him the coaching and ice time that Andre did.

DO you have a clue how difficult it is to make the NHL as a regular? The Ottawa 67’s have sent many players on to the NHL as regulars. You keep pointing to DC but it takes time for players to move from the OHL to the NHL as a regular. DC has had four years with the 67’s. How many players should he have graduated to the NHL as regulars?

I’m not even close to being on the DC Fan Club but I at least try to be balanced and realistic. Teams do not average one regular NHLers per year. If each NHL Team adds two players per year as guys that stick, then there are under 75 players annually. The CHL accounts for about half of those players. The OHL should account for about 1/3 of those (there are three leagues). So, what does that work out to? About a dozen players per year are added to the NHL from the OHL? And that number declines annually as the rest of the World continues to catch up.

It is not realistic to point to DC and suggest that he hasn’t graduated enough players to the NHL when he has just finished his 4th season with the 67’s. Realistically, they only had a handful of players that had even a sliver of a chance. Matier and Boucher ans 2021 draft picks are the only two that realistically could be in the NHL right now that played under Cameron. Maybe you could point to Rohrer but his head was never on straight and he packed it in and when home for personal reasons. Pinelli, Gardiner, and Mews are the next three poised to potentially make the NHL. Unless you can point to another player that he “messed up” and ruined his career, I am not sure you can honestly suggest he has killed a kid’s development. It is not like we can point to Tolnai, Barlas, and Jack Beck and suggest that if they were ont he London Knights, they’d be high end NHL prospects right now.

So, can we tone down the rhetoric a little bit?

I don’t think there are many out there that would suggest Cameron is the right person for the 67’s. The reason for that is his ability to develop the middling players into quality “OHL” players. It has nothing to do with developing NHL players. There is a big difference between being a high end NHL prospect and being a quality OHL players. There are a bunch of graduating OA’s in their league heading to the NCAA next season that are high end OHL players that aren’t even on ?nHL radar, Gerrior and his 30 goals this year being one of them.

A lot of people point to the negatives and that ends up being the focus. But, let’s look at some f the positives. Pinelli has developed very well. Mews turned the corner this season and is now an elite D-Man in the league. Eshkawkogan has excelled in his first season. Gerrior, a deep OHL pick, scored 30 goals as an OA this season. Marrelli has become a very consistent defender. Mayich, a player with very average skill, has developed into a quality pro prospect.

The 67’s had a weak 2022 draft. The 2023 draft across the entire league was weak in depth. That combo has hurt the 67’s and has made it difficult for them to bounce back. There is a smattering of ok players from the 2023 draft picked in that 2nd to 5th round range but it really seems weak overall. The 67’s have signed and played quite a few of the players fromt he 2023 draft but they mostly all look like depth players. Nothing that stands out. And when I say nothing, I mean nothing. Top to bottom! Only Nelson looks like a go to player. Whitehead, Dietsch, Yanni, Houben, White, and Kingwell are all mostly capable but how many bottom 1/3 of roster players do you need? You need at least 2-3 players every draft to eventually make an impact at the top 1/3 of the roster. The 67’s have one from the 2022 draft (Marrelli) and maybe one (Nelson) from the 2023 draft.
 
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As to max Delisle I am looking at the top 65 on Elite and he isnot evwen listed there are others frmhs team but not him
Anyone can create and publish a list on Elite Prospects, and I believe what you're referencing is one of those user-generated lists. Sometimes they are pretty good, sometimes they're not or simply outdated / not regularly maintained.

Max Delisle has been in the top 5-10 conversation all year.
 
Boyd also sounded slightly annoyed to even be asked the question. I don't think there is any equivocation here - Cameron will be back. I can't imagine that there was any heat from above on this issue either - 67's attendance looks as if it stayed pretty steady this year, and within a couple of years they will have a new barn for the team. Boyd could easily sell this year to his corporate bosses as just part of the junior hockey circle of life, and they would probably buy it...
 
Boyd also sounded slightly annoyed to even be asked the question. I don't think there is any equivocation here - Cameron will be back. I can't imagine that there was any heat from above on this issue either - 67's attendance looks as if it stayed pretty steady this year, and within a couple of years they will have a new barn for the team. Boyd could easily sell this year to his corporate bosses as just part of the junior hockey circle of life, and they would probably buy it...

It is not about results in the standings. That happens on cycle for most teams. The issue is the stink surrounding the team and the players that have “defected” (draft picks and roster players). Also the lack of overall direction is odd.

I assume there will be a post-season assessment. If players start saying they won’t return, whether it be for an OA season or other, it looks bad. We just traded a player (Mews), that apparently was traded because he was leaving for Michigan next season. Gardiner took off. Rohrer took off. Beck took off. Who is taking off this off-season? We do see a trend. Maybe OSEG doesn’t see it but we do.

These defections have contributed to the results this year. Again, I am not concerned about missing the playoffs. IMO, if you are going to have a poor team one year every five, you may as well miss the playoffs and pick really high. Get a chance at an elite prospect.

Overall, I am not concerned about DC as a coach. I am concerned with DC as a coach the players will play for. I am concerned his reputation will dictate our ability to sign “tough to sign” players that would make a difference. This is speculation on my part. I am not on the inside. I don’t’ know what is talked about between players internal to the team and external to the team but we’ve seen a fair share of players simply want out. I think that is concerning. Then couple that with the rumblings around the league where DC seems to be perceived as a clown. More concern. Sooner or later the bread crumbs lead somewhere and I am concerned it leads to something less positive than we’d want.

The caveat to all of that is jsut because we replace the coach, doesn’t mean his replacement will be any more effective. Sometimes it is better to work with what you know. I can relate to that option but landing on that decision less than a week after the season ends suggests that Boyd is either giving lip service or there was not any significant analysis or retrospection taken at the end of the season. It is not like Boyd will say, “We ar looking at all options” or, “We haven’t had an opportunity to break down our season and where we are headed. We need some time to properly evaluate and decide on how we are best suited to enter next season.” OF course he is going to endorse the coach currently under contract. But, if they were going to can him, you’d think they’d know they’d get these types of questions so they wouldn’t do interviews like this until the pull the trigger. So, I think it is more likley he is staying….unless OSEG drops the bomb on Boyd and Cameron which I don’t see happening.
 
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Max Delisle is on every 2025 prospect list I looked at going back the beginning of the season. Do your homework and stop embarrassing yourself. All you do is come on here and complain about the team and the coach. We get it, the coach is bad, the GM is bad, the players are bad, no one is going to want to play here. It's like a broken record that gets played over and over and over. For god's sake give a rest. Stick to pro wrestling and Dungeons and Dragons.
I agree, like a broken record that we or you beast do not have any input concerning OSEG's decisions. We know all the facts and get sick of hearing them every day. Beast if you do not like the product stop complaining every day on this board and take up knitting. Get in touch with Adrian Sciarra and put the bug in his ass. I see positivity is not one of your greatest traits.
 
It is not about results in the standings. That happens on cycle for most teams. The issue is the stink surrounding the team and the players that have “defected” (draft picks and roster players). Also the lack of overall direction is odd.

I assume there will be a post-season assessment. If players start saying they won’t return, whether it be for an OA season or other, it looks bad. We just traded a player (Mews), that apparently was traded because he was leaving for Michigan next season. Gardiner took off. Rohrer took off. Beck took off. Who is taking off this off-season? We do see a trend. Maybe OSEG doesn’t see it but we do.

These defections have contributed to the results this year. Again, I am not concerned about missing the playoffs. IMO, if you are going to have a poor team one year every five, you may as well miss the playoffs and pick really high. Get a chance at an elite prospect.

Overall, I am not concerned about DC as a coach. I am concerned with DC as a coach the players will play for. I am concerned his reputation will dictate our ability to sign “tough to sign” players that would make a difference. This is speculation on my part. I am not on the inside. I don’t’ know what is talked about between players internal to the team and external to the team but we’ve seen a fair share of players simply want out. I think that is concerning. Then couple that with the rumblings around the league where DC seems to be perceived as a clown. More concern. Sooner or later the bread crumbs lead somewhere and I am concerned it leads to something less positive than we’d want.

The caveat to all of that is jsut because we replace the coach, doesn’t mean his replacement will be any more effective. Sometimes it is better to work with what you know. I can relate to that option but landing on that decision less than a week after the season ends suggests that Boyd is either giving lip service or there was not any significant analysis or retrospection taken at the end of the season. It is not like Boyd will say, “We ar looking at all options” or, “We haven’t had an opportunity to break down our season and where we are headed. We need some time to properly evaluate and decide on how we are best suited to enter next season.” OF course he is going to endorse the coach currently under contract. But, if they were going to can him, you’d think they’d know they’d get these types of questions so they wouldn’t do interviews like this until the pull the trigger. So, I think it is more likley he is staying….unless OSEG drops the bomb on Boyd and Cameron which I don’t see happening.

I'm not surprised by Boyd's comments, but I am disappointed. I was hoping there would be a coaching change made in the off-season for reasons discussed ad nauseum on here. I suspect the 67s will struggle to attract those "difficult to sign" prospects to Ottawa, and we may see a few more familiar faces walk out the door. I am hoping I'm wrong on that, of course. But if the 67s do run into difficulties attracting/retaining talent during the off-season, it will obviously be too late for said coaching change.

I have not renewed my season tickets yet, and will likely not do so for the upcoming season. 25% of the reason for that is because of the team's lack of direction and my confidence level in the GM and head coach, the other 75% is due to scheduling conflicts that prevented us from seeing as many games as we would have liked this past season, and which we expect to run into next season as well..
 
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Boyd gave a ringing endorsement. “He is signed for next season and is excited to return.”
It may depend on Boyd even keeping his job.
A GM isn't going to come out and say hes getting rid of his coach in the media even if he was.

It will be interesting to see who drafts Ekberg and how that goes as I can see it being hard to keep him there.
 
I'm not surprised by Boyd's comments, but I am disappointed. I was hoping there would be a coaching change made in the off-season for reasons discussed ad nauseum on here. I suspect the 67s will struggle to attract those "difficult to sign" prospects to Ottawa, and we may see a few more familiar faces walk out the door. I am hoping I'm wrong on that, of course. But if the 67s do run into difficulties attracting/retaining talent during the off-season, it will obviously be too late for said coaching change.

I have not renewed my season tickets yet, and will likely not do so for the upcoming season. 25% of the reason for that is because of the team's lack of direction and my confidence level in the GM and head coach, the other 75% is due to scheduling conflicts that prevented us from seeing as many games as we would have liked this past season, and which we expect to run into next season as well..
I know we as supporters would of liked to see Boyd and Cameron move on but maybe OSEG is not interested in paying twice for the same positions. I verified that both individuals are signed through the 25-26 season and will expect compensation.. In addition, OSEG seems to be really focusing on upgrading the Redblacks for the upcoming season.
 
Well, James Boyd has unequivocally stated that Dave Cameron is the coach and will be back for 2025-26.

Cameron to Return as 67's coach
*wet fart sound*

In agreement with much that has been said - the issue may be as much in the perception of Cameron’s impact, as it is in the impact itself. If that perception leads to losing players or recouping less value for assets than we otherwise would, that is a problem that needs addressing.
 
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It may depend on Boyd even keeping his job.
A GM isn't going to come out and say hes getting rid of his coach in the media even if he was.

It will be interesting to see who drafts Ekberg and how that goes as I can see it being hard to keep him there.
If they were gassing their GM they would have done it the day after the season ended. To know OSEG's culture is to know that they don't fire people ad hoc - they tend to be very patient and long term. I know that some may not like it, but I think everyone has to accept that Boyd and Cameron are back for another year...
 
Can you not be an elite player as a NHL prospect. or are you sayin g Misa is not an elite player.

When youa re drafting inthe top 10 iof the draft most of those plaes are elite and are looking at the NHL in their future.

BUT they need a coach that can develop them further to wht the NHL wants. THAT IS NOT DEC

As to max Delisle I am looking at the top 65 on Elite and he isnot evwen listed there are others frmhs team but not him
Beast don’t use elite prospects a lot of times the prospect rankings are a year+ out and with them being so young (even younger than OHL) LOTS can change in 1 year. I grew 7 inches over the one summer and I’m sure there’s a lot of cases like that.
 
Well, James Boyd has unequivocally stated that Dave Cameron is the coach and will be back for 2025-26.

Cameron to Return as 67's coach
Hopefully for everybody’s sake he develops the high first round pick and lets the kid play top 6. The McGregor guy is from Ottawa and on the 1 thread people seem to think Ottawa may take a chance on him. Don’t give the prospects an easy time but also don’t stick them 4th line and press box because it’s hard to develop when you’re not playing. Practices only do so much.
 
I know we as supporters would of liked to see Boyd and Cameron move on but maybe OSEG is not interested in paying twice for the same positions. I verified that both individuals are signed through the 25-26 season and will expect compensation.. In addition, OSEG seems to be really focusing on upgrading the Redblacks for the upcoming season.

I don't deny that the $ impact of terminating DC and JB now (versus letting each of them walk away/retire after next season) would result in roughly doubling-up on compensation costs next season. I do, however, think there is a risk of DC's presence with the 67s next season causing some long-lasting damage to the organization. I expect significant difficulties with recruitment/retention, and DC is not a coach I'd want leading a team through a rebuild season, which next season will surely be.

He represents a square peg in a round hole, but I do agree that the additional cost associated with torching one/both of them now is likely THE prevailing consideration.
 
It may depend on Boyd even keeping his job.
A GM isn't going to come out and say hes getting rid of his coach in the media even if he was.

It will be interesting to see who drafts Ekberg and how that goes as I can see it being hard to keep him there.
I wonder if he goes back to Europe.

Tough to say. He could also come back to the OHL where he had a great run to end the season but what if he doesn’t start off on the right foot and struggles
 
I wonder if he goes back to Europe.

Tough to say. He could also come back to the OHL where he had a great run to end the season but what if he doesn’t start off on the right foot and struggles

Ekberg found his game and when he did, DC rolled him out on the 1st line consistently. I don’t think Ekberg will have an issue returning.
 
Ekberg was just named OHL Rookie of the Month. I guess he didn't have any trouble developing under this coaching staff. The odds that he is going anywhere seem low to me. He will likely be a late round NHL pick, attend an NHL Development Camp, then back here in September to play top line minutes and continue his growth. Korbler was a huge swing and a miss, but Ekberg seems to be coming along very nicely...
 
Ekberg found his game and when he did, DC rolled him out on the 1st line consistently. I don’t think Ekberg will have an issue returning.
It is one of the things about DC - he is a complex human that does some baffling things but many others you completely understand where he is coming from. Many of the non-Korbler players being rewarded with ice time you totally see the logic even if you don’t agree completely. I think Ekberg is a good example of this…I wish he got more ice sooner but he really did seem to finally get the chance as he was coming into effectiveness.

DC likes players that are hard working and responsible and gives them opportunities others aren’t afforded. It isn’t black and white (Pinelli might have led the team in dumb and selfish penalties this year, and it never impacted his ice even within individual games I can recall). With Houben for instance I think he has maybe gone a little further than I may have but I do see the logic (size, coachability, hard work, and drive is there…but there does seem to currently be a skill ceiling and he is trying to figure out how he plays a tougher game effectively).
 

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