Ottawa 67s 2024-25 Season Thread, Part II

[beastintheeast]

Again, I dont understand what you mean by “Can’t get good players in the draft.” Ottawa will draft whomever the want. If Cameron is gone in July, what difference does it make in that regard? Outside of the first two draft picks, it is unlikely the others will play. Too many returning players.

Recruitment of drafted players does not end a month after the draft and then the team walks away from them never to be heard from again.

Sure, you can draft whoever you want. It's not an issue, BUT the parents can say no thank you.

The recruitment for the draft starts now. If DC is still the coach at the draft, then agents and players will be leery of wanting to be drafted. You can make all the promises, and you can say this or that will happen, but the catch is if the organization is not set and agents do not know who is going to be behind the bench or they are looking at Mickey Mouse, then they can say, "Don't draft Joe Schmoo because he will not report."

HB is a prime example in Ottawa. Kingston actually went through a phase where they had great positions in the draft but had to pass on players.

The last thing Boyd and OSEG want to see is tht they draft a kid that is not in the top 5 in the draft, or worse still, they draft a player, and his agent says sorry, trade him now. We warned you.

Neither is a good look and with a rebuilding team, you need the players now, not hoping that you get a good pick in the defective a year from now.

Parents are going to want to see something, they are going to want to know who is coaching their son, and then they will weigh the pros and cons.

 

[OMG67]

Sure, you can draft whoever you want. It's not an issue, BUT the parents can say no thank you.

The recruitment for the draft starts now. If DC is still the coach at the draft, then agents and players will be leery of wanting to be drafted. You can make all the promises, and you can say this or that will happen, but the catch is if the organization is not set and agents do not know who is going to be behind the bench or they are looking at Mickey Mouse, then they can say, "Don't draft Joe Schmoo because he will not report."

HB is a prime example in Ottawa. Kingston actually went through a phase where they had great positions in the draft but had to pass on players.

The last thing Boyd and OSEG want to see is tht they draft a kid that is not in the top 5 in the draft, or worse still, they draft a player, and his agent says sorry, trade him now. We warned you.

Neither is a good look and with a rebuilding team, you need the players now, not hoping that you get a good pick in the defective a year from now.

Parents are going to want to see something, they are going to want to know who is coaching their son, and then they will weigh the pros and cons.

I think most can read the room and understand that Cameron is soon to be gone.

 

[ecraigs]

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HB is a prime example in Ottawa. Kingston actually went through a phase where they had great positions in the draft but had to pass on players.

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HB is a reminder that there are coaches and GMs out there looking for defected players. London picked him up for a couple of draft picks (that they weren't going to need) plus a compensatory pick, which is effectively, the whole League pushing down a spot.

If there is no movement by the end of the year, I expect there will be several trade requests pending.

 

[OMG67]

Most look at the defected player rule as a safety net but it can also operate as a strategy. A team like the 67’s that traded away a bunch of picks and are picking last in the 1st round may look at the situation and if the right player is available, they can select that player knowing he’d be valued by another team. They flip the player for the picks and get the comp pick so it is a net benefit and the only real penalty is delaying your 1st round pick one year. So, for HB, Ottawa received Eshkawkogan, two 2nds and a 3rd. That is a very fair deal and some woudl say that depending on how Eshkawkogan works out, it could be a masterful opportunity for Boyd and the 67’s.

I am always willing to be fair. If Boyd were to say that was the strategy or at least Plan B was going to be successful anyway, then why not draft a tough to sign player? If he signs, you get the good player and if he doesn’t, you can trade him and get the comp pick. IT was not like Ottawa needed the player in the lineup and/or as a trade chip.

The same goes for Moldenhauer. If he had reported to Sarnia, that would have been two 2nds, three 3rds, a 4th and 5th….plus the comp pick which ended up being Marrelli.

I’d say that Ottawa did well in those transactions.

Again, I am willing to be fair and it is very possible that Boyd used that rule to his and the 67’s advantage. They may have some issues that have been detailed at length but the defected player issue is mild compared to the others because there is a silver lining Plan B that has worked in their favour.

 

[beastintheeast]

I don't think you can use Moldenaur in the defected player talk as he really was ot a defected player as much as a player that because of covid played in the U.S. and got used to the way things were and stayed. Mucht eh same as I cam to Thailand found out that things were cheaper and the weather was nicer so stayed..

If we had not had covid he probably would have stayed a 67.

When we talk about players that are drafted and do not sign there are examples that are interesting.

Kingston did it with Domi and didnot do too bad.
However if you say Sam Dickinson on the NIagara board watch out for the storm.

HB could have and would have been a 67. If I remember he was quite happy when drafted. Then he got a bigger look and decided that he didnot want to play here.

The challnege for Ottawa right ow is to prove to the league and agents that the organization knows what it is doing. Rumoours of players turing down the 67, players wanting out, and draft picks not signing are not a good look.

The argument that well we were one of the last teams to draft is semi vaid. BUT this year it is not relevant we ar not going to beone of the last teams to draft we are going to be one of the first teams. Therefore there will be a lot of good talent avail. The last thing Ottawa fans want to hear is that Boyd drafted a player that said thanks but no thanks.

Ottawa needs to draft a star player that is going to play here and enjoy it. This is the year to get a Konecny or MacAuley type player.

Consider this what happens if Foster Amidovski Ekberg, Marelli and Pinelli decide that they do not want to play here next year?

Just asking yes it is doubtful but it is possible.

We have a good core group coming back and this team with the right drafting can really buld I see a team that can look like Niagara does now but changes have to be made

 

[OMG67]

I don't think you can use Moldenaur in the defected player talk as he really was ot a defected player as much as a player that because of covid played in the U.S. and got used to the way things were and stayed. Mucht eh same as I cam to Thailand found out that things were cheaper and the weather was nicer so stayed..

If we had not had covid he probably would have stayed a 67.

When we talk about players that are drafted and do not sign there are examples that are interesting.

Kingston did it with Domi and didnot do too bad.
However if you say Sam Dickinson on the NIagara board watch out for the storm.

HB could have and would have been a 67. If I remember he was quite happy when drafted. Then he got a bigger look and decided that he didnot want to play here.

The challnege for Ottawa right ow is to prove to the league and agents that the organization knows what it is doing. Rumoours of players turing down the 67, players wanting out, and draft picks not signing are not a good look.

The argument that well we were one of the last teams to draft is semi vaid. BUT this year it is not relevant we ar not going to beone of the last teams to draft we are going to be one of the first teams. Therefore there will be a lot of good talent avail. The last thing Ottawa fans want to hear is that Boyd drafted a player that said thanks but no thanks.

Ottawa needs to draft a star player that is going to play here and enjoy it. This is the year to get a Konecny or MacAuley type player.

Consider this what happens if Foster Amidovski Ekberg, Marelli and Pinelli decide that they do not want to play here next year?

Just asking yes it is doubtful but it is possible.

We have a good core group coming back and this team with the right drafting can really buld I see a team that can look like Niagara does now but changes have to be made

The Dickenson trade netted Niagara:
3x 2nds
3x 3rds
5th
Comp pick - Ethan Czata

I think that worked out pretty well, even considering the Ice Dogs likley could not draft the 5th best player (Martone). Czata is a point per game 17 year old. 2nd line centre at just under 48% int he faceoff dot which is good for a 17 year old. The kid is going to be a solid player as he matures.

 

[beastintheeast]

The Dickenson trade netted Niagara:
3x 2nds
3x 3rds
5th
Comp pick - Ethan Czata

I think that worked out pretty well, even considering the Ice Dogs likley could not draft the 5th best player (Martone). Czata is a point per game 17 year old. 2nd line centre at just under 48% int he faceoff dot which is good for a 17 year old. The kid is going to be a solid player as he matures.

Yeah but there is a lot of people on the forum that think the deal was bad because of what happened withthe picks

 

[dirty12]

Yeah but there is a lot of people on the forum that think the deal was bad because of what happened withthe picks

It’s too hard for some to want to understand that roster players were needed, and those picks could not be sat on to be used several years later on a rental.
I don’t understand it, but many would prefer finishing last with a lot of picks and prospects so they can make-believe a future all-star team rather than have a top 3-4 team with a chance of losing in round two.

 

[leafs4life94]

It’s too hard for some to want to understand that roster players were needed, and those picks could not be sat on to be used several years later on a rental.
I don’t understand it, but many would prefer finishing last with a lot of picks and prospects so they can make-believe a future all-star team rather than have a top 3-4 team with a chance of losing in round two.

I think there are only two logical explanations for the hate -
1) - DD stole their girlfriend in grade 10 or
2) - DD took a dump in their cereal at some point.

I get they may not be confident in his abilities but they have a good team now - why not enjoy the ride. It's like my old man being jaded about the Leafs and never getting excited because they'll blow it in the playoffs, except it's only been 2-3 years instead of 50+.