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Ottawa 67s 2024-25 Season Thread, Part II
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Yes impressive weekend. Nice to see the young players coming through with increased icetime.
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Kelly’s best weekend of the year. Dever turned it up a bit. Gerrior was consistent as usual. I still think Whitehead and Amidovski need and deserve some more ice time. Great weekend overall, but hopefully it doesn’t confuse the management into buying instead of selling.
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I think this is bang on. Dever for sure had an impressive weekend. Same with Kelly. Both looked as good as they’ve ever looked.
Barrie didn’t show up for 50 minutes of the game on Saturday so we managed to take advantage which is good but I don’t think we can look at that game as a confidence builder that defines our season prospects. Four out of five times, we lose that game. But I will take the win for sure.
The landscape closer to the deadline will determine where we stand. I think the market will dictate a bit about what we do.
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We are seeing a lot of the older players getting ice time because it is show-and-tell time in the OHL.
Boyd wants to show off these players, as they are the tradeable ones. Dever's having a good weekend is good for him but possibly bad for us. If he gets traded, we will be back to having only 2 real centers next year.
Mack, Gerrior and Stonehouse I think the market has been set and there is not alot on offer.
Mayich is the top OA that teams are going to call about. Let's face it he would be a calming influence in Brampton.
Mews, I think, started the season with 2 problems. The first was draftitis ( I have been drafted; therefore, I know what I want to do). The second was DC and his system and a dislike for it.
If I am Boyd I have one question for Mews.
If DC is back as coach next year, will you report, or will you ask for a trade? Considering that next year's team will probably not be as good as this year, it would be reasonable to ask.
If the answer is noor not sure, then he needs to be traded now when we can get the most for him.
OVERALL THOUGH, this was an AWESOME weekend. we won the games we needed and were close and competitive.
I stillthink the battle for playoffs will be us and NB
Boyd wants to show off these players, as they are the tradeable ones. Dever's having a good weekend is good for him but possibly bad for us. If he gets traded, we will be back to having only 2 real centers next year.
Mack, Gerrior and Stonehouse I think the market has been set and there is not alot on offer.
Mayich is the top OA that teams are going to call about. Let's face it he would be a calming influence in Brampton.
Mews, I think, started the season with 2 problems. The first was draftitis ( I have been drafted; therefore, I know what I want to do). The second was DC and his system and a dislike for it.
If I am Boyd I have one question for Mews.
If DC is back as coach next year, will you report, or will you ask for a trade? Considering that next year's team will probably not be as good as this year, it would be reasonable to ask.
If the answer is noor not sure, then he needs to be traded now when we can get the most for him.
OVERALL THOUGH, this was an AWESOME weekend. we won the games we needed and were close and competitive.
I stillthink the battle for playoffs will be us and NB
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The Conferences are wonky right now. The bottom five in the Western Conference are a combined -30 in win/loss differential. The bottom five in the Eastern conference are a combine -5. There seems to be a lot more parity in the Eastern Conference.
The one thing no one seems to talk about much are the Brantford Bulldogs. They are doing OK but are only 3 points ahead of Ottawa. They are built for next year. I know they had a couple D-Men fall in their lap but Lardis may end up bing a very interesting trade chip. That kid is tearing it up. Vanacker has returned and he is starting a bit slow so we shall see how well he shifts gears prior to the deadline. If he stays flat, it may be in Brantford’s best interest to do a small sell and stockpile assets for next year. Alternatively, they could go after the two 2-year players in Luchanko and Mews. Make a run this year and next.
I’m really not focused much on Ottawa. I think Boyd knows what needs to be done. There is obvious interest in Ottawa players. Boyd will see what comes his way and if he finds a deal that makes sense then so be it. Otherwise I think he will be content with status quo. The market will dictate what he does and what he doesn’t.
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Nice to see this team get back in the hunt - this isn't a Memorial Cup contender or anything, but there was more talent there than they were showing in the standings.
It would be folly to go out there and be a buyer at the deadline, but aggressive selling needs to be weighed carefully. If the offers for Pinelli are weak, for instance, are you better off just holding onto him to help you make the playoffs and model the way for your younger players? There is a value to having your team in a legitimate playoff chase and playing at least one round in the playoffs. Conversely, you can really hurt player development when you are throwing in the towel with 30 games to go. Trade your captain at the deadline and you have just told every 17 year old on your roster that you have given up. We have all seen what that looks like on other clubs, and it is not pretty. I know that the conventional wisdom in junior hockey is to sell like crazy if you aren't contending and buy like crazy if you are, but maybe, just maybe, the Brian Kilrea steady approach might be the best one for building a program long term...
It would be folly to go out there and be a buyer at the deadline, but aggressive selling needs to be weighed carefully. If the offers for Pinelli are weak, for instance, are you better off just holding onto him to help you make the playoffs and model the way for your younger players? There is a value to having your team in a legitimate playoff chase and playing at least one round in the playoffs. Conversely, you can really hurt player development when you are throwing in the towel with 30 games to go. Trade your captain at the deadline and you have just told every 17 year old on your roster that you have given up. We have all seen what that looks like on other clubs, and it is not pretty. I know that the conventional wisdom in junior hockey is to sell like crazy if you aren't contending and buy like crazy if you are, but maybe, just maybe, the Brian Kilrea steady approach might be the best one for building a program long term...
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Trading Pinelli isn’t giving up. It is telling the 17 year olds that they are pushing assets forward to help that group when they are 19.
But, let’s be real. We beat the two teams that will be with us in the 8-10 range as well as. A team that pretty much put forth zero effort in Barrie. They weren’t’ engaged at all.
I’ve said Pinelli and only Pinelli. We shall see what happens.
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Gawd, now I feel very old. I remember watching Tye play for the Upper Ottawa Valley Aces in Major PW AA. The offensive strategy was throw the puck out of the zone and let Tye take it. That and a great goalie won them the League playoff title out of 6th place. Glad to see he may be getting a chance to play in the Show.
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I know it does not happen much here, but I agree with @OMG67 that trading players at this stage who are OA or have value are not throwing in the towel. These kids know they will not be a top team this year. Smart players know that this will make their chance to shine.
If I were Whitehead and Amidovski, I hope they trade either Foster or Dever so that DC has to give them more ice time.
Look at Yanni and Ekberg, who have been relegated to lower positions.
When they draftedAmidovski, I bet they told him that he was going tobe part of a rebuild.
LOL where did London get all those picks lOL
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In fairness, Mews is a more offensively impactful D-Man and is a year younger. That trade value for Allen is unlikely to be relatable to Mews. That extra season Mews has makes him much more valuable.
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I agree, but if London would spend that many picks and a player, this tells us what Boyd should get, and yes, it is a lot higher. Possibly, two players and picks or picks that are higher and can be used sooner.
Did Hunter talk to Boyd? It would be interesting for sure.
It is going to be an interesting 27-30 days that is for sure.
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Unless mews is DEMANDING a trade, I don’t see Boyd moving him. It is almost not worth even talking about to be honest. There has been no indication that Mews is still looking to move and even if he were, his original request was likely very specific with respect to destination.
It would be a very difficult trade to engineer with an entire league of destination option but super difficult with something like a 2-3 destinations as a landing spot. It would be no different than Saginaw trying to find a landing spot for Parekh. Tough to get a deal like that done.
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Yes. For sure. There are up to six teams in the East looking to add players to varying degrees. Probably three in the West.
As of right now, the key players that seem to be on the block (in no particular order) are:
1> Musty
2> Pinelli
3> Andonovski
4> Gibson
5> Romani
6> Luchanko
7> A few key OA’s like Allard and Miseljevic etc
There will be a second tier of players as well that will garner a lot of interest, especially for teams looking to add some depth more than higher end elite talent.
The Allen deal has pretty much set the market for cost. I cannot see Gibson and Andonovski going for less. Maybe les s picks with more impactful players? This looks good though for teams lacking the tradable players but carrying the picks. They will likely have an option available. From an Ottawa perspective, the Allen deal is one that likely equates for Pinelli, assuming they cannot pry a more impactful player out of the destination team which would reduce the picks.
I can see Allen being the #1 target for London and Gibson #1 for Oshawa and Andonovski returning as much or more counting conditions of an OA season.
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London, as usual, has done it again. They have set the bar and now have the parts they need with probably little fuss.
Musty is going to be interesting because if you are a team that needs firepower now, he is different from your player. But a team that has the parts could trade for him and take the time to make sure he is healed, which would be bad for others in the playoffs.
I still think that there will be more. There is going to be a surprise trade that blows items away. Mews, to me, could be that player, but if not, it will be an 18/19-year-old that will be back next year. I am not sure Brantford is going to wait to get players next year but will continue to build their team this year.
But again if we allhad the perfect vision we would be making the big bucks that Boyd and other GM's make LOL
I sort of expect some of the bigger trades to involve players that should return next season.
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I think that is pretty accurate. I still think Misa is trying to force a deal now. I know Saginaw doesn’t want to trade him but there seems to be smoke there. Luchanko is another. If Saginaw trades Misa, do they trade Parekh? How about Romani? Does he return as an OA? Is he a two year player?
Lot’s of incredible options out there.
Saginaw probably should sell, but be sure to remain better than Guelph, OS, and SSM.
I wouldn’t expect a major sell off either. How many deals would Ottawa make? I could see three seller moves, not counting getting down to three overagers.
One thing to note with the NCAA eligibility changes is that second round and even third round picks are likely more valuable than ever. There were at least 8-10 Ontario players who dropped in the last draft due to NCAA interest. If you factor in the potential demise of the USHL and even the next domino of the NTDP there will be many more good 16 year olds entering the league over the coming seasons. It might not be a bad idea to be a seller if the market hasn’t caught up to the new valuation of draft picks in the league.
Matthew Mayich might be the second best OA Defenceman available, behind Konnor Smith. A deal to a contender could also boost his stock for an NHL deal.
Luca Pinelli is one of the best forwards possibly available in the league. He would elevate any team’s top six. He can play in all situations and is a strong leader.
I could see the team trading another of its 19 year old forwards. Right now they have four (Dever, Foster, Barlas and Horner) who could be back next year. To me, the team should choose to keep the top two and move at least one of the others to give their ice time to younger players.
Henry Mews is a wildcard. He’s been one of the best players in the league over the last 10 games, with 16 points. He would likely net the largest return of anybody on the team.
How many deals do you expect the team to make?
Saginaw has been adamant both Parekh and Misa will not be traded this season
