Ottawa 67s 2024-25 Season Thread, Part II

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Mews is a different story. He’s a two year player. He currently sits as the top PP QB in the league. Any contender looking to add a strong D-Man will pay a big price knowing they can flip him next year and recoup much of what they paid this year. That is one top prospect plus a bunch of picks or two good prospects with a bunch of picks. Brantford has always been my lean to team for him. Erie being the 2nd option. I like both O’Donell and Challenger as the key pice coming back for him.
I may just be way lower on Mews than others but if you can get an '08 for him I would do that the second it turns to Jan 1 at midnight. That would be a steal for him. I personally don't see him as a guy who's a difference maker like that
 

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I may just be way lower on Mews than others but if you can get an '08 for him I would do that the second it turns to Jan 1 at midnight. That would be a steal for him. I personally don't see him as a guy who's a difference maker like that

He’s not a two way player but you cannot deny his elite offensive game from the back end. As much as he frustrates at times, he redeems himself on the offensive side.

As a two year player, his value is crazy high. Scoring D-Men of that calibre don’t grow on trees and they are not often available at 18.
 

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I’m not a fan of bottoming out. So, if we were to move all of those players, for me it would depend on what we get back. We’d need at least one solid body, probably two, if we still want to not end up in the gutter for two seasons. You know I am not a fan of bottoming out. I’m fine if we finish the season with 60 points and miss the playoffs. I just don’t want to finish with 40 points and be hopeless.
Mayich would be a nice addition for Oshawa perhaps. He’s a solid D and could be an upgrade on D’Amato. Nvm I just saw your next post. I agree he’s a lynchpin for Ottawa. But you never know
 

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I’m not a fan of bottoming out. So, if we were to move all of those players, for me it would depend on what we get back. We’d need at least one solid body, probably two, if we still want to not end up in the gutter for two seasons. You know I am not a fan of bottoming out. I’m fine if we finish the season with 60 points and miss the playoffs. I just don’t want to finish with 40 points and be hopeless.

This is one of those many areas which we disagree LOL

I do not see the difference between being 8th or 9th with 60 or 40 points; it is the same as last year when everyone said we had a good team and were better than where we ended up.

The goal for this year is to develop. If we can get picks for Stonehouse, it really does not matter what they are. It is still better than having to release Gerrior and getting nothing.

While I agree that Pinelli is good, let's not forget that it is possible that he gets sent back and plays an OA year. The Monsters (AHL) are a pretty good team. Yes, it is a long shot, but hey, it is something that has to be pointed out.

It would be great if we could get a couple of players for Mews and Pinelli, and we could also get some picks for Foster.

That would leave us with Horner Dever and Barlas next year as OA. That would not be bad and would definitely leave us with a lot of picks that we could use.

It would also mean that we can escalate the development of the young guns, bring up some of the other players, and leave an opening for the high draft picks we will have.

The questions are

what kind of deals can Boyd get
How good are the players that we get with those players?
What happens with Ekberg and Korbler?
 

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We cannot keep Stonehouse, Gerrior, and MacKenzie. That requires us to trade Mayich. We cannot do that. Mayich is the most important OA for Ottawa. HE provides the stability for the team and for Eshkawkogan.

Foster is likely somewhere around two 2nds, a 3rd, and 4th? Somewhere similar to Gardiner.

I’ve said many times that ‘if’ a contender wants Stonehouse, the value is similar to what we saw with Mayer, Dubois, Maillet, Kressler etc. The reason is because for a contender to want Stonehouse, they truly value the game he plays and feel that is a missing element they need. That makes him unique. If he doesn’t go to a contender, it is more likely his trade value is as such they likley move on from MacKenzie and keep the extra forward to help fill the gap left by Pinelli (and maybe Foster).

Pinelli’s value depends on how many’s coring wingers are on the market. Added choice likely reduces his value to jsut draft picks. Less supply likely gives Ottawa leverage to extract a solid prospect.

Mews is a different story. He’s a two year player. He currently sits as the top PP QB in the league. Any contender looking to add a strong D-Man will pay a big price knowing they can flip him next year and recoup much of what they paid this year. That is one top prospect plus a bunch of picks or two good prospects with a bunch of picks. Brantford has always been my lean to team for him. Erie being the 2nd option. I like both O’Donell and Challenger as the key pice coming back for him.
Not seeing Foster as worthy of 2 - 2nds a 3rd and 4th. Maybe 1 - 2nd and a lower pick. With teams only having 4 core 2nds that would be half of their available trade stock and would limit their making other deals. Teams would not be looking at him as their " biggest" move. Be safe.
 

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Not seeing Foster as worthy of 2 - 2nds a 3rd and 4th. Maybe 1 - 2nd and a lower pick. With teams only having 4 core 2nds that would be half of their available trade stock and would limit their making other deals. Teams would not be looking at him as their " biggest" move. Be safe.

Then he is worth more to Ottawa since he is 80% likely to return as an OA…. Which is why I don’t think trading him is an option.
 
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This is one of those many areas which we disagree LOL

I do not see the difference between being 8th or 9th with 60 or 40 points; it is the same as last year when everyone said we had a good team and were better than where we ended up.

The goal for this year is to develop. If we can get picks for Stonehouse, it really does not matter what they are. It is still better than having to release Gerrior and getting nothing.

While I agree that Pinelli is good, let's not forget that it is possible that he gets sent back and plays an OA year. The Monsters (AHL) are a pretty good team. Yes, it is a long shot, but hey, it is something that has to be pointed out.

It would be great if we could get a couple of players for Mews and Pinelli, and we could also get some picks for Foster.

That would leave us with Horner Dever and Barlas next year as OA. That would not be bad and would definitely leave us with a lot of picks that we could use.

It would also mean that we can escalate the development of the young guns, bring up some of the other players, and leave an opening for the high draft picks we will have.

The questions are

what kind of deals can Boyd get
How good are the players that we get with those players?
What happens with Ekberg and Korbler?

You are correct that we disagree.

I have always been of the opinion that the team should attempt to stay competitive. You can have a competitive team that misses the playoffs. Because of the loser points, you can finish around .450% (60 points) and miss the playoffs. In fact, I think that is very possible this season. I think #8 and #9 will be relatively close for the last playoff spot.

Missing the playoffs puts you in a lottery. You could pick anywhere from 1 through 4. So, if you remain competitive and jsut miss the playoffs, you have a decent chance at picking 1st. You don’t need to bottom out and finish with 30 points.

If you JUST make the playoffs, you pick 5th or 6th. Both of those picks net quality players most seasons. The common difference between 4th and 6th is preference. There is usually the bonafide #1 and then depending on the quality at the top end, picks 2 through 4-5 are relatively equal. So, unless you are picking #1 and for some drafts #2, there is no reason to worry about picking 3rd through 6th.

We’ve discussed at length the importance of insulating youth with veteran leadership. You don’t’ want your prospects getting a ton of experience chasing a puck. You want them to play with it. You need to remain competitive. Considering this, it is my opinion that we resolve our OA situation and we trade Pinelli. There is no “need” to trade Mews unless he is still silently demanding a trade. His trade value at the deadline this year is only marginally better than his trade value next year. He is worth more to the 67’s remaining on the roster until next deadline IMO. One of the main reason for that is the lack of ‘08s available. I pointed to O’Donell and Challenger (BFD and ER). Outside of those two teams, I don’t’ see a landing spot that garners an ‘08. Plus, we already have two 1st round ‘08s. If we wait until next year, we could potentially get an ‘09. That gives us two ‘08 1sts and two ‘09 1sts. That is a better mix IMO.

The way the market is shaping up, it is more likely we get mostly picks for Pinelli. Some rumours regarding Michael Misa out there. Romani likely gets moved. Who knows about Musty. I think the market will be somewhat flush with options. I am not sure we can pull an ‘08. Brampton and Kingston don’t have ‘08s. London will not move Hawery. Kitchener is more likely to sell than buy. Pinelli isn’t a strong enough player to snag Parker Vaughn from Barrie. Windsor is clearly not moving Belchetz. That leaves Brantford and Erie as the two most likely to move their ‘08. Maybe Saginaw moves Zhilkin? Maybe?

Foster is likely worth a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th as an OA next year at the deadline. Why move him now?
 

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You are correct that we disagree.

I have always been of the opinion that the team should attempt to stay competitive. You can have a competitive team that misses the playoffs. Because of the loser points, you can finish around .450% (60 points) and miss the playoffs. In fact, I think that is very possible this season. I think #8 and #9 will be relatively close for the last playoff spot.

Missing the playoffs puts you in a lottery. You could pick anywhere from 1 through 4. So, if you remain competitive and jsut miss the playoffs, you have a decent chance at picking 1st. You don’t need to bottom out and finish with 30 points.
YOu talk about the lottery but you are forgetting that there are other rounds to the draft. The closer you are to the bottom then the better choice.

Let me be clear I am not saying that we need to miss the playoffs. What I am saying is that there are options, so it would not be the end of the world if we did. I still have no idea what NB is going to do but if they sell then it will be a battle between us and them for the last spot.
If you JUST make the playoffs, you pick 5th or 6th. Both of those picks net quality players most seasons. The common difference between 4th and 6th is preference. There is usually the bonafide #1 and then depending on the quality at the top end, picks 2 through 4-5 are relatively equal. So, unless you are picking #1 and for some drafts #2, there is no reason to worry about picking 3rd through 6th.

We’ve discussed at length the importance of insulating youth with veteran leadership. You don’t’ want your prospects getting a ton of experience chasing a puck. You want them to play with it. You need to remain competitive. Considering this, it is my opinion that we resolve our OA situation and we trade Pinelli. There is no “need” to trade Mews unless he is still silently demanding a trade. His trade value at the deadline this year is only marginally better than his trade value next year. He is worth more to the 67’s remaining on the roster until next deadline IMO. One of the main reason for that is the lack of ‘08s available. I pointed to O’Donell and Challenger (BFD and ER). Outside of those two teams, I don’t’ see a landing spot that garners an ‘08. Plus, we already have two 1st round ‘08s. If we wait until next year, we could potentially get an ‘09. That gives us two ‘08 1sts and two ‘09 1sts. That is a better mix IMO.

I think that you are misjudging this team and DC. As to rookies funning around, the only rookies that we have are really Houben and Amidovski. They have had half a season and should by now know what their role it. If we bring up Bonomo and Perrier then they can start to get thier feet wet in a 4th line role for Perrier and a 6th defender so that they have more experience and then next year we have less rookies.
The way the market is shaping up, it is more likely we get mostly picks for Pinelli. Some rumours regarding Michael Misa out there. Romani likely gets moved. Who knows about Musty. I think the market will be somewhat flush with options. I am not sure we can pull an ‘08. Brampton and Kingston don’t have ‘08s. London will not move Hawery. Kitchener is more likely to sell than buy. Pinelli isn’t a strong enough player to snag Parker Vaughn from Barrie. Windsor is clearly not moving Belchetz. That leaves Brantford and Erie as the two most likely to move their ‘08. Maybe Saginaw moves Zhilkin? Maybe?
I agree that the odds of getting a first-round draft pick this year are slim, but there are still good players out there who would benefit this team for a couple of years.

Also I do not think Pinelli gets you a great player but if he can get you an early draft pick this spring that is great as well as a few others
Foster is likely worth a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th as an OA next year at the deadline. Why move him now?
If he is in your opinion worth that and there is no guarantee (remember last year you trumpeted the player and picks for pinelli along with Stonehouse bringing a good haul) Get what you can now and then we can still compete but we will be able to do so with a true center on the first line.
 

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Couple questions:

Why has Stonehouse been wearing the full facemask in the games last weekend?

What is the list of NCAA players drafted by Ottawa eligible to sign here?
 

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Couple questions:

Why has Stonehouse been wearing the full facemask in the games last weekend?

What is the list of NCAA players drafted by Ottawa eligible to sign here?

He broke his nose in practise.

We have quite a few but most are either playing in the SNTDP or are already playing NCAA.

The one to watch for is Vandenberg.
 

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He’s not coming

Is that a definitive answer or does that only pertain to this season? I can understand a bunch of players not wanting to uproot this season but I imagine a higher percentage of players will choose to switch leagues to start next season.
 

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Best chance to win lineup why doesn’t DC roll out these lines ever?

Pinelli-Foster-Ekberg
Stonehouse-Dever-Gerrior
Barlas-Whitehead-Korbler
Yani-Amidovski-Kelly

Houben

Mayich-Eshk
Mews-Horner
Dietch-Brady

Marelli (2 of 2)

Nelson
Conway
 

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Is that a definitive answer or does that only pertain to this season? I can understand a bunch of players not wanting to uproot this season but I imagine a higher percentage of players will choose to switch leagues to start next season.
Looking at Cedar Rapids I would think he would stay there and get some meaningful ice time as well as get ready for the NHL draft and or NCAA
 

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Best chance to win lineup why doesn’t DC roll out these lines ever?

Pinelli-Foster-Ekberg
Stonehouse-Dever-Gerrior
Barlas-Whitehead-Korbler
Yani-Amidovski-Kelly

Houben

Mayich-Eshk
Mews-Horner
Dietch-Brady

Marelli (2 of 2)

Nelson
Conway
My guess is that they are trying to showcase Pinelli Foster and Stonehouse as trade bait again only a guess.

BTW are you saying get rid of MacK or is this just a one or 2 gameplay

I like it although not sure what you mean about Marelli?
 

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Looking at Cedar Rapids I would think he would stay there and get some meaningful ice time as well as get ready for the NHL draft and or NCAA

You could say that about every player and shut down the OHL if that logic applies.
 

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Dietsch and Ekberg are Ottawa’s representatives at the top prospects game. I missed the release of NHL central scouting’s players to watch list in October; they have Ekberg as a C prospect (4th/5th round candidate), Korbler as a W prospect (6th/7th round candidate), and Nelson as not rating. Dietsch isn’t even in the guide.
 

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I believe we have acquired Rylan Donovan from London & Mackenzie’s days are done
So it begins. Bring it on.

Donovan is a 19 yr old goalie with middling stats. I presume that means Nelson is in tonight and he's our guy hereon.
 

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I believe we have acquired Rylan Donovan from London & Mackenzie’s days are done

Not quite the steady backup goalie We are looking for to support Nelson to be honest. My assumption is the search for someone more experienced and capable will continue through the deadline.
 

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Not quite the steady backup goalie We are looking for to support Nelson to be honest. My assumption is the search for someone more experienced and capable will continue through the deadline.
Likely an Ebug to curb Conway trips back and forth when Mack has to sit.
 

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Likely an Ebug to curb Conway trips back and forth when Mack has to sit.

I think the EBUG is maybe close to correct but I am not sure it is for that purpose. I think MacK is on his way out. I was thinking they would try to find a capable backup before they made whatever move is being made but this one doesn’t seem to fill that role.

I think how it all plays out is MacK ends up wherever he ends up. Nelson is the starter. They acquire a capable backup. Donovan ends up being in that 3rd goalie role you are suggesting. Sort of a EBUG safety net in case of injury. Conway ends up back in JrA/B continuing to develop and we see what happens with him over the next couple seasons.

The piece that is missing in that is the backup goalie. If I am correct, it doesn’t’ mean MacK is gone now. I think they still juggle until they find the backup. That is unless I am wrong and they intend on using Donovan as a backup full time. That would seem odd and somewhat reckless. I cannot see Boyd doing that.
 
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