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Ottawa 67's 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

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OMG67 said:
Gerrior - 100% return
MacKenzie - 90% return
Mayich - 80% return
Stonehouse - 30% return
Smyth and Sirman - Do they want them to return?
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only reason mackenzie woudlnt be back is due to wanting to go to school? sadly, he doesnt get a pro deal with his body frame.
 
OHL4Life said:
only reason mackenzie woudlnt be back is due to wanting to go to school? sadly, he doesnt get a pro deal with his body frame.
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I agree with that but I threw in a 10% chance he graduates in some manner, because he is that good.
 
beastintheeast said:
This is going to be a rebuilding year.I think that they are going to get to a point where they make the playoffs, but at the deadline, everyone 19 years old or 20 will be available, depending on the offer.
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Ottawa has to push their chips in and go for it at some point. I agree that this year should be a rebuilding year. But after that, what are they waiting for? Next year (2024-25) seems opportune, with a really a good chance at getting three solid OAs back - a top starting goalie (MacKenzie), a defensive-minded but good #1 (Mayich), and a fast aggressive winger with leadership qualities (Gerrior). Mews and Marrelli will have been drafted, but will return (obviously). We have a good shot at getting Pinelli and Gardiner back for what should be their final year of junior. Good depth with Foster, Dever, Kelly, Uronen (presumably), Barlas, Ewles. That seems like a winning year.

I get the sense that Boyd wants to build a championship calibre team around Mews/Marrelli, but its tough to project out a couple of years as there will be player movement between now and then that we won't be able to forecast - a good example is Stonehouse, who up until a few weeks ago we figured would be a strong OA candidate for next year.

If I was in the GM seat I wouldn't trade any of the players noted above this year. I'd certainly trade Donoso (and have an eye towards having a viable backup/understudy ready). If management gets the sense that Mayich will return for 2024-25 (he was a later round draft pick, so I agree with OMG that the odds of him coming back are somewhere in the 60-80% range), we should keep him and trade Sirman and Smyth. We won't get much in return, but neither would be good candidates to return in 2024-25 as OAs and we could instead use this season to develop some of the younger guys.

OMG67 said:
I think you are right with one caveat being they will assess whether a certain 19 year old will return as an OA. If they are confident the player will return AND they want him to return, I think they will keep him.

Gerrior - 100% return
MacKenzie - 90% return
Mayich - 80% return
Stonehouse - 30% return
Smyth and Sirman - Do they want them to return?
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Stonehouse should garner a good haul, seeing what you were saying about him above. With a pro contract in hand the odds are very high he goes pro next year. The only reason to bring either Sirman or Smyth back (slight preference for Sirman) is if Mayich doesn't return. Mayich would be a true #1 D-man on a good team as an OA; Sirman and Smyth would still be depth.
 
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OMG67 said:
I think you are right with one caveat being they will assess whether a certain 19 year old will return as an OA. If they are confident the player will return AND they want him to return, I think they will keep him.

Gerrior - 100% return
MacKenzie - 90% return
Mayich - 80% return
Stonehouse - 30% return
Smyth and Sirman - Do they want them to return?
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I agree with your probability and yes, that's part of it but I think also that it is going to depend on the offer.

Depending on a few things

Nelson having a good year in Navan. If he is doing good and can get a game or 2 in OHL then he makes Mack More expendable If not Mack stays.

Smyth and Sirman not have anyone who wants them

If Mayich has a good year then I can see him getting an AHL/ECHL offer

Stonehouse Sirman and Smyth I would say are guaranteed gone therefore trade for what we can get and be happy.
 
beastintheeast said:
I agree with your probability and yes, that's part of it but I think also that it is going to depend on the offer.

Depending on a few things

Nelson having a good year in Navan. If he is doing good and can get a game or 2 in OHL then he makes Mack More expendable If not Mack stays.

Smyth and Sirman not have anyone who wants them

If Mayich has a good year then I can see him getting an AHL/ECHL offer

Stonehouse Sirman and Smyth I would say are guaranteed gone therefore trade for what we can get and be happy.
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Regarding “it depends on the offer”

I don’t think it truly works like that. Teams don’t come to other teams with random offers. They discuss if a player is available and the parameters of what a deal would look like. If a discussion like that happens around Mayich, Boyd would have to be decided to make him available or else no offers would ever make it to them.

Opposing GM’s don’t typically come knocking with bags of assets trying to pry away a player the team wants to keep. Mayich isn’t anywhere near the type of player opposing GM’s would do that if they were to do it. Maybe Stonehouse…..not Mayich.

Boyd will need to make decisions on which players to make available to start discussions about. I’m not saying ‘I am 100’5 correct on that but my understanding is that is the more typical way those things happen.

beastintheeast said:
He has a problem in that he is playing on the side that we have the most power players

Stonehouse
Uronen
Dever
Kelly
Korbler

I am wondering if Boyd made a mistake drafting 2 rw in the Euro
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If Stonehouse moves……..
 
I hope Cameron isn't going to a play til you lose with the Goalies. It sounds good in principle but inevitably ends up with them cheering against each other. Internal competition is fine with the position players as no matter what, they are getting ice time and involved in the games. For goalies in a 1A 1B configuration they should never be left watching for an entire week or weekend. Donoso had his opportunity last year with a more than capable team, it is MacKenzie's turn. If he can't handle the play than that is a different story, but until then he has to get the benefit of the doubt and little confidence thrown his way, he has stood his turn in line.
 
PuckStop75 said:
I hope Cameron isn't going to a play til you lose with the Goalies. It sounds good in principle but inevitably ends up with them cheering against each other. Internal competition is fine with the position players as no matter what, they are getting ice time and involved in the games. For goalies in a 1A 1B configuration they should never be left watching for an entire week or weekend. Donoso had his opportunity last year with a more than capable team, it is MacKenzie's turn. If he can't handle the play than that is a different story, but until then he has to get the benefit of the doubt and little confidence thrown his way, he has stood his turn in line.
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Donoso needs to be traded…. The end.
 
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67's 0-0 after first period

Kimi Körbler playing his first game of the season​

 
OMG67 said:
Anyone that questions why MacKenzie is the starter on this team needs only look at the last two games. No offence to Donoso but MacK is the superior goalie.
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I must say that I was very concerned after he gift-wrapped a goal for Petes in his first game. That had me wondering.

Now I am wondering when Stonehouse will show up. He's shooting the puck, but there is no jam.
 
NordiquesForeva said:
Ottawa has to push their chips in and go for it at some point. I agree that this year should be a rebuilding year. But after that, what are they waiting for? Next year (2024-25) seems opportune, with a really a good chance at getting three solid OAs back - a top starting goalie (MacKenzie), a defensive-minded but good #1 (Mayich), and a fast aggressive winger with leadership qualities (Gerrior). Mews and Marrelli will have been drafted, but will return (obviously). We have a good shot at getting Pinelli and Gardiner back for what should be their final year of junior. Good depth with Foster, Dever, Kelly, Uronen (presumably), Barlas, Ewles. That seems like a winning year.

I get the sense that Boyd wants to build a championship calibre team around Mews/Marrelli, but its tough to project out a couple of years as there will be player movement between now and then that we won't be able to forecast - a good example is Stonehouse, who up until a few weeks ago we figured would be a strong OA candidate for next year.

If I was in the GM seat I wouldn't trade any of the players noted above this year. I'd certainly trade Donoso (and have an eye towards having a viable backup/understudy ready). If management gets the sense that Mayich will return for 2024-25 (he was a later round draft pick, so I agree with OMG that the odds of him coming back are somewhere in the 60-80% range), we should keep him and trade Sirman and Smyth. We won't get much in return, but neither would be good candidates to return in 2024-25 as OAs and we could instead use this season to develop some of the younger guys.



Stonehouse should garner a good haul, seeing what you were saying about him above. With a pro contract in hand the odds are very high he goes pro next year. The only reason to bring either Sirman or Smyth back (slight preference for Sirman) is if Mayich doesn't return. Mayich would be a true #1 D-man on a good team as an OA; Sirman and Smyth would still be depth.
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Your points are reasonable; however, at this stage, it is hard to tell what we can get and who is coming back.

Uronen, yes, could come back, but just like Rohrer, he could go back to Europe and play Pro.

Mayich, if he has a good year, will get an offer and sign an entry contract.

Stonehouse is going to be a player that someone may look at him. There is also nothing to say that the Oilers may want him to come back if he can not make the Condors.

Mackenzie is the interesting one. He probably will be the better return of the two goalies, but how well Nelson is playing is going to have a bit of a say in that.


Smyth, I think, can go but I think there is room for Sirman next year as a utility player but again, it depends. If I was Sirman, I would be looking at where I want to go to university and if I can get traded to that team if it is in Ontario.

I still think that the deadline is going to be a case of who we get the best offer for, and it is worthwhile. I would love to see them pick up a 17-year-old center as that is where we are going to be hurting next year.

ecraigs said:
I must say that I was very concerned after he gift-wrapped a goal for Petes in his first game. That had me wondering.

Now I am wondering when Stonehouse will show up. He's shooting the puck, but there is no jam.
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It could be that Stonehouse is suffering from signitis but then again he is who he is. It may be a case of him KNowing he can do that but Cameron and the oilers want him to work on a different part of his game.
 
It’s a bit early for the ‘67s playing in the weakest division to be thinking of which players they sell off imo. I think most have them first in the east.
If they were show casing Stonehouse for trade, he might be playing RW with Gardiner not LW with Lawrence.
 
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dirty12 said:
It’s a bit early for the ‘67s playing in the weakest division to be thinking of which players they sell off imo. I think most have them first in the east.
If they were show casing Stonehouse for trade, he might be playing RW with Gardiner not LW with Lawrence.
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There’s absolutely no rush. There wasn’t an observer in the league or pundit on this board who thought that Ottawa would run away to win first place in the regular season last year at this time.
 
dirty12 said:
It’s a bit early for the ‘67s playing in the weakest division to be thinking of which players they sell off imo. I think most have them first in the east.
If they were show casing Stonehouse for trade, he might be playing RW with Gardiner not LW with Lawrence.
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Coming into the season, we had a strong sense the 67’s could keep the puck out of the net. But, if Beck was requesting a trade, it would make it difficult for them to score goals. Combine that with Rohrer moving on a year early and their overall lack of depth at centre and it makes it tough to imagine this team will score enough goals to truly compete.

I agree the division is weak but if they nail down the #2 seed but the #3 seed is 20 points ahead in the standings, I am not sure it will really matter much.

The team needs to focus on gaining as many points as they can right now. Run that through Christmas. Evaluate where they truly stand. Then make the final decisions on strategy. This is the same for the Petes. We could see Ottawa and Peterborough being 1 and 2 in the division both selling off assets at the deadline.
 
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2024-25 roster with a modest sell off this season:

Foster - Gardiner - Dever
Gerrior (OA) - Pinelli - Uronen
Barlas - Whitehead - Kelly
Hilton - ? - Korbler
Yanni

Mayich (OA) - Ewles
Mews - Marrelli
Deitsch - Horner
Brady

MacKenzie (OA)
Nelson

They add their 1st rounder as well as the comp 1st for HB to that lineup. If Korbler doesn’t make any sort of impact, you will likely see them release him and draft another Import higher in the draft next year.

They’ve done relatively well recouping draft picks. The Stonehouse trade would finalize their picks cupboard. They can shift one of their two 3rd rounders in this next draft forward to a future draft and not skip a beat. To me, the Stonehouse deal is the last piece of the puzzle. Those assets will help solidify their chances of competing next year. They’d have a full compliment of picks with some extras scattered around available to move.

If you add a true top pairing D-Man to play beside Mayich and a top line Centre to shift things around and maybe push Pinelli back to the wing, you have a pretty good contending team.

The key is to try to pick in the top 10-12 and snag a solid centre if the draft board makes sense. Picking 16 doesn’t help. They need to finish close to middle pack.
 
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OMG67 said:
Coming into the season, we had a strong sense the 67’s could keep the puck out of the net. But, if Beck was requesting a trade, it would make it difficult for them to score goals. Combine that with Rohrer moving on a year early and their overall lack of depth at centre and it makes it tough to imagine this team will score enough goals to truly compete.

I agree the division is weak but if they nail down the #2 seed but the #3 seed is 20 points ahead in the standings, I am not sure it will really matter much.
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The top four in conference standings, prior to last night’s games at least, were from the central, that cannot hold up.
To my surprise, Oshawa could lead the east if the Petes & ‘67s sell. Though it should be noted that Kingston is missing three important pieces, and could have an import show after the Christmas break.
OMG67 said:
The team needs to focus on gaining as many points as they can right now. Run that through Christmas. Evaluate where they truly stand. Then make the final decisions on strategy. This is the same for the Petes. We could see Ottawa and Peterborough being 1 and 2 in the division both selling off assets at the deadline.
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