Ottawa 67's 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

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The Senators would be more than happy to have a prospect playing in their back yard in Donovan. Question now becomes, of course, at what point do the Bulldogs wave the surrender flag on their season. It seems early to do that right now. Donovan is also like Stonehouse in that he won't be around next year - he has an NHL contract and will likely be in the AHL.
 
Any thoughts to teams giving up top players at this stage of the season is wishful thinking.

No one is going to trade them until near the deadline. As to Brantford surrendering NOPE
There are too many unknowns. Kingston is off to a bad start as well.

As to Donovan being in Ottawa, consider the one thing missing in your idea. Who owns the Branford team?

The Petes and most teams will do the same thing as Ottawa play out the first half to see where they are and what the offers are.

Trading for a top-tier player for this team as a loaner is not what rebuilding teams do. The only way they go for that big a player is if they think they can win it all, and we are far from that.

Also, remember what we went through last year with the flu and viruses, and we still won games.

Personally, I think that this is as good a time as any.

We have the defence and goaltending to weather the storm. The offence is p[layig well in both ends of the ice.

Last year, when Beck and Boucher got hurt, a lot of people thought the sky was falling. Guess what it didn't.

The plus side is that some of the younger players will get more ice time.

I think that Mayich may have benefitted frm Peterborough and Brantford LOL
 
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I agree with Beast. With the possible exception of Zito who is sitting at home, I think all team who have players that they wanted to move have now been dealt. We could see some minor tweaking like the Erie/Kingston or the Saginaw/Sarnia deals over the last week but nothing major.

I think Ottawa will simply try to weather whatever storm comes their way and position it as a learning experience. If Mayich does get a suspension for the Puck in Crowd penalty, they will roll with it. Smyth had a strong weekend. He’d probably move up to play with Ewles. Brady and Horner will need to step up In the third pairing.

If Stonehouse is out a while, Korbler and Kelly would need to step up. Personally, I would like to see Kelly get some additional ice time on a top line.
 
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I agree with Beast. With the possible exception of Zito who is sitting at home, I think all team who have players that they wanted to move have now been dealt. We could see some minor tweaking like the Erie/Kingston or the Saginaw/Sarnia deals over the last week but nothing major.

I think Ottawa will simply try to weather whatever storm comes their way and position it as a learning experience. If Mayich does get a suspension for the Puck in Crowd penalty, they will roll with it. Smyth had a strong weekend. He’d probably move up to play with Ewles. Brady and Horner will need to step up In the third pairing.

If Stonehouse is out a while, Korbler and Kelly would need to step up. Personally, I would like to see Kelly get some additional ice time on a top line.

I'd also like to see Kelly get going a little, and maybe some additional ice time in the top-6 would help. But Dever is off to a really strong start and I didn't have that on my bingo card to start the season.
 
I'd like the construct of this team for the remainder of the season if Boyd were to go out and get an OA defenseman. The Lawrence pick-up seems to be working well so far. A big-bodied, veteran centre was a need many of us identified heading into the season. The other is a veteran D-man that can play in the top-4 to take some pressure off of Mayich and the Hank & Frank pairing. The team (assuming said veteran D-man is acquired) would not be a world-beater, mind you, but should be good enough to finish somewhere in the top 4/5 in the east without depleting the draft cupboards and that's a reasonable objective imo.
We may not be giving this team enough credit again this year.

The only divisional threat, to me is Peterborough who is going to have to sell to recoup assets spent last season. If they trade Owen Beck, Connor Lockhart, Jonathan Melee and Sam Mayer, the Petes will be a completely different team. No offence to the Fronts but I don’t see a contender there. Oshawa and Brantford are a year or two away.

Maybe Ottawa adds conservatively this year and goes all out next year. Maybe they go all in this year, sell next year with a minor retool and try to contend again in the Hank/Frank 19 year old season.
 
We may not be giving this team enough credit again this year.

The only divisional threat, to me is Peterborough who is going to have to sell to recoup assets spent last season. If they trade Owen Beck, Connor Lockhart, Jonathan Melee and Sam Mayer, the Petes will be a completely different team. No offence to the Fronts but I don’t see a contender there. Oshawa and Brantford are a year or two away.

Maybe Ottawa adds conservatively this year and goes all out next year. Maybe they go all in this year, sell next year with a minor retool and try to contend again in the Hank/Frank 19 year old season.

With the Lawrence acquisition I'm relatively comfortable with the forward group. Even with minor injuries along the way I feel like they have sufficient depth there to get through.

MacKenzie is a top-tier goaltender in the league, but I'm curious as to how Boyd plans on dealing with Donoso.

Our defense is a little thin imo. As much as we all like Frank and Hank, the fact of the matter is they're still young, draft eligible players that have some learning/developing to do before they're upper-tier D-men in the OHL. Mayich is really good, if a little undisciplined at times. I feel like he tries to do a little too much out there as the team's #1 D-man. I'm just not sold on guys like Ewles or Smyth in our top-4 and I'd prefer to have a legitimate top-4 veteran D-man to take the pressure of Mayich, Mews and Marrelli and put the latter two in a better position to succeed this year as a true 2nd pairing.

If pressed, I'd probably prefer a conservative upgrade at D somewhat early in the season, see how things shape up before the deadline, and make a buy/stand/sell decision at that point. What to do with Donoso should be part of that decision as well.
 
We may not be giving this team enough credit again this year.

The only divisional threat, to me is Peterborough who is going to have to sell to recoup assets spent last season. If they trade Owen Beck, Connor Lockhart, Jonathan Melee and Sam Mayer, the Petes will be a completely different team. No offence to the Fronts but I don’t see a contender there. Oshawa and Brantford are a year or two away.

Maybe Ottawa adds conservatively this year and goes all out next year. Maybe they go all in this year, sell next year with a minor retool and try to contend again in the Hank/Frank 19 year old season.

There are some combinations. The issue right now is Stonehouse. You gotta think he isn’t returning next year. They need to either make a run this year with him or sell him for future assts.

They can win the division selling Stonehouse (and Donoso), assuming Peterborough sells at the deadline. They’d play the #7 seed in the first round which likely is a lowly East Division team. They can still win a round while selling. I think that is enough to keep the ball rolling. Who knows after round one….

What sort of level of effort on the trade front gets them to the point they are true Conference contenders? That’s not an answer I feel anyone can truly give us right now. A lot needs to play out between now and the deadline. I can see a path where they sell Stonehouse and still end up a Conference contender with no major additions. Maybe add a half decent OA.

This is why I feel status quo for the time being is the play. Let things shake out and reveal themselves as what they are.

The one area that concerns me is the Marrelli/Mews 19 year old season. I don‘t see goaltending and overall defence for that season. We also may have weak OA’s with Gardiner and Pinelli likely moving on. I think the 19 year old Mews/Marrelli season may be the good one to make savvy seller trades. Push the chips in next year and recoup with those two available the following.

With the Lawrence acquisition I'm relatively comfortable with the forward group. Even with minor injuries along the way I feel like they have sufficient depth there to get through.

MacKenzie is a top-tier goaltender in the league, but I'm curious as to how Boyd plans on dealing with Donoso.

Our defense is a little thin imo. As much as we all like Frank and Hank, the fact of the matter is they're still young, draft eligible players that have some learning/developing to do before they're upper-tier D-men in the OHL. Mayich is really good, if a little undisciplined at times. I feel like he tries to do a little too much out there as the team's #1 D-man. I'm just not sold on guys like Ewles or Smyth in our top-4 and I'd prefer to have a legitimate top-4 veteran D-man to take the pressure of Mayich, Mews and Marrelli and put the latter two in a better position to succeed this year as a true 2nd pairing.

If pressed, I'd probably prefer a conservative upgrade at D somewhat early in the season, see how things shape up before the deadline, and make a buy/stand/sell decision at that point. What to do with Donoso should be part of that decision as well.

The donoso deal needs to wait for a team that needs the goalie. It will likely happen but we have to hope multiple teams are looking hard at an OA goalie.
 
There are some combinations. The issue right now is Stonehouse. You gotta think he isn’t returning next year. They need to either make a run this year with him or sell him for future assts.

They can win the division selling Stonehouse (and Donoso), assuming Peterborough sells at the deadline. They’d play the #7 seed in the first round which likely is a lowly East Division team. They can still win a round while selling. I think that is enough to keep the ball rolling. Who knows after round one….

What sort of level of effort on the trade front gets them to the point they are true Conference contenders? That’s not an answer I feel anyone can truly give us right now. A lot needs to play out between now and the deadline. I can see a path where they sell Stonehouse and still end up a Conference contender with no major additions. Maybe add a half decent OA.

This is why I feel status quo for the time being is the play. Let things shake out and reveal themselves as what they are.

The one area that concerns me is the Marrelli/Mews 19 year old season. I don‘t see goaltending and overall defence for that season. We also may have weak OA’s with Gardiner and Pinelli likely moving on. I think the 19 year old Mews/Marrelli season may be the good one to make savvy seller trades. Push the chips in next year and recoup with those two available the following.



The donoso deal needs to wait for a team that needs the goalie. It will likely happen but we have to hope multiple teams are looking hard at an OA goalie.
You're right about Donoso, but part of me I feel bad for the player as MacKenzie has quite obviously supplanted him as the 67s' starting goaltender.

With the unpredictability around players moving on unexpectedly (see: Rohrer, Beck), as you said its hard to project out too far. I trust that Boyd and Cameron (how much longer is he going to coach?) have a good sense for their pipeline, but in my view a bird in hand is worth two in the bush. The roster this year and next look good from my perspective, and of course this year a push to the ECF may be all it takes to get to the Memorial Cup provided Saginaw fulfills their end of the bargain...
 
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You're right about Donoso, but part of me I feel bad for the player as MacKenzie has quite obviously supplanted him as the 67s' starting goaltender.

With the unpredictability around players moving on unexpectedly (see: Rohrer, Beck), as you said its hard to project out too far. I trust that Boyd and Cameron (how much longer is he going to coach?) have a good sense for their pipeline, but in my view a bird in hand is worth two in the bush. The roster this year and next look good from my perspective, and of course this year a push to the ECF may be all it takes to get to the Memorial Cup provided Saginaw fulfills their end of the bargain...

Next year looks far better than this year. A couple notes to support it:

1> We have a solid OA crop returning with Mayich, Gerrior and MacK
2> The back end will be better with guys all one year older and only Smyth (and Sirman) graduating
3> We’ll have the ability this season to bulk up the draft picks to prepare for next year
4> We likely get an opportunity to draft another top Import
5> All the forward group is eligible to return with the exception of Lawrence. Stonehouse may be moved but his assets will help to bring in replacements.

The team on ice now simply gets one year older. That is not dissimilar to what we saw last year vs the prior. Graduations are minimal. Opportunities to add draft picks are available. Some seriously strong players will get stronger (Mews, Marrelli, Gardiner, Pinelli etc).

To me, everything lines up for next year.

I know I highlighted this season because of Conference weakness but that was prior to Beck moving on. He’s a seriously huge loss.

I light off all this, I really think next season should be the focus. It doesn’t mean we throw in the towel this season. I agree adding a D-Man does make sense. But, if we do, I’d be more willing to them move Smyth since he is not likely to return as an OA next year. Open a spot for a player that is returning on the 3rd pairing.
 
As for how much longer Dave Cameron coaches, my guess is that he goes at least a few more seasons. He is a pretty young and fit 65, and I could easily see him going until he is approaching 70. I also think that Cameron understands the old saw that if you are thinking about retirement, you have already retired. ;-) You won't see him on one of those year long vanity farewell tours - he will just walk to a microphone one day and make the announcement with a succession plan already in place...
 
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We may not be giving this team enough credit again this year.

The only divisional threat, to me is Peterborough who is going to have to sell to recoup assets spent last season. If they trade Owen Beck, Connor Lockhart, Jonathan Melee and Sam Mayer, the Petes will be a completely different team. No offence to the Fronts but I don’t see a contender there. Oshawa and Brantford are a year or two away.

Maybe Ottawa adds conservatively this year and goes all out next year. Maybe they go all in this year, sell next year with a minor retool and try to contend again in the Hank/Frank 19 year old season.
If the Petes are in contention at Christmas they will likely only trade Owen Beck and maybe Konnor Smith. They only need to acquire three, 2nds, two, 3rds and three, 4th to rebuild their draft pick cupboard They would be able to get the 2nds and 3rds in trades for these two players. They will also likely acquire two players in those deals. I doubt Jonathan Melee or Donovan McCoy will be traded as they will likely return next year as overagers. The Petes with these trades will remain competitive because most of the players that are leading the offence will remain, Konnor Smith will be replaced by a younger defenceman and they are strong in goal.
 
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If the Petes are in contention at Christmas they will likely only trade Owen Beck and maybe Konnor Smith. They only need to acquire three, 2nds, two, 3rds and three, 4th to rebuild their draft pick cupboard They would be able to get the 2nds and 3rds in trades for these two players. They will also likely acquire two players in those deals. I doubt Jonathan Melee or Donovan McCoy will be traded as they will likely return next year as overagers. The Petes with these trades will remain competitive because most of the players that are leading the offence will remain, Konnor Smith will be replaced by a younger defenceman and they are strong in goal.
I think the Petes are gong to have a hell of a problem at the deadline. Beck is definitely gone but the question is if you get offers that are reasonable how can you say no to Mayer leaving and others?

Ottawa this year has a good team, not a great team. Mississauga right now has a great team in comparison. Sudbury is doing everything right.

I think the best thing this team can do is sit tight, make no trades and see what develops. Cameron is going to have to slow down Mayich or give him a defensive partner that he can trust. Last year he did not have a lot of pressure because he had Matier beside him.

This is his year to show St L that he is worth a contract for him that means playing good positional defence with a high plus rating

I agree with OMG that Donoso, Stonehouse, and Mayich are going to be deadline moves if at all.

Donoso is really the only;y one who is probably guaranteed to move.

I am sure that Boyd will talk to Edmonton to get a feeling of what they see happening with Stonehouse next year. If it is a concussion as we saw with Beck, it can mean a long time out. Edmonton Media had him listed as returning next weekend, so i am not sure how bad it its.

Consider this next year we will have

Gerrior Gardiner Kelly
Pinelli Foster Dever
Barlas Whitehead Korbler
Hilton Houben 1st round draft pick
Yanni
1st round draft pick
Euro


Mayich Ewle
Marelli Mews
Dietsch Brady
Smyth or Sirman 2nd round pick

Mack
Nelson


Then of course if Stonehouse is not traded and comes back you can slot him in making the team better.

Uronen I either see going AHL or back to Europe.

This team only gets better with age lol and eeps gettng better every year.
 
I think the Petes are gong to have a hell of a problem at the deadline. Beck is definitely gone but the question is if you get offers that are reasonable how can you say no to Mayer leaving and others?

Ottawa this year has a good team, not a great team. Mississauga right now has a great team in comparison. Sudbury is doing everything right.

I think the best thing this team can do is sit tight, make no trades and see what develops. Cameron is going to have to slow down Mayich or give him a defensive partner that he can trust. Last year he did not have a lot of pressure because he had Matier beside him.

This is his year to show St L that he is worth a contract for him that means playing good positional defence with a high plus rating

I agree with OMG that Donoso, Stonehouse, and Mayich are going to be deadline moves if at all.

Donoso is really the only;y one who is probably guaranteed to move.

I am sure that Boyd will talk to Edmonton to get a feeling of what they see happening with Stonehouse next year. If it is a concussion as we saw with Beck, it can mean a long time out. Edmonton Media had him listed as returning next weekend, so i am not sure how bad it its.

Consider this next year we will have

Gerrior Gardiner Kelly
Pinelli Foster Dever
Barlas Whitehead Korbler
Hilton Houben 1st round draft pick
Yanni
1st round draft pick
Euro


Mayich Ewle
Marelli Mews
Dietsch Brady
Smyth or Sirman 2nd round pick

Mack
Nelson


Then of course if Stonehouse is not traded and comes back you can slot him in making the team better.

Uronen I either see going AHL or back to Europe.

This team only gets better with age lol and eeps gettng better every year.

Just to clarify, Beast.

IMO the only four players that the 67’s have on the trade black are Stonehouse, Donoso, Smyth and Sirman. I don’t feel Mayich will even be considered on the trade block. That is not to say they will trade them all but those are the guys that are likely to be made available at the appropriate time.

They may thin out the herd a bit in other areas if a player wants out or requests a trade but I can’t see any player other than those four potentially moving.

Although Uronen may decide to leave, it is rare that an Import decides to leave North America early, especially as NHL draft picks. We did see it with Rohrer but he is much more of an exception than a rule. In Uronen’s case, he’d effectively be leaving what would be considered a contender which would be very unlikely. I do see the possibility that Korbler is replaced depending on how he develops over the course of this year. That would be a 67’s decision.

The one thing we could potentially see, albeit not likely, is the 67’s adding an 18 year old centre like Rehkopf. If they feel they need to add a player of his calibre next season, they may as well do it this year and reap the rewards this year as well as next. I feel this is still a low percentage addition but needs to be highlighted as a possibility. The risk in doing so would be the player graduating early and not returning next year.
 
Just to clarify, Beast.

IMO the only four players that the 67’s have on the trade black are Stonehouse, Donoso, Smyth and Sirman. I don’t feel Mayich will even be considered on the trade block. That is not to say they will trade them all but those are the guys that are likely to be made available at the appropriate time.

They may thin out the herd a bit in other areas if a player wants out or requests a trade but I can’t see any player other than those four potentially moving.

Although Uronen may decide to leave, it is rare that an Import decides to leave North America early, especially as NHL draft picks. We did see it with Rohrer but he is much more of an exception than a rule. In Uronen’s case, he’d effectively be leaving what would be considered a contender which would be very unlikely. I do see the possibility that Korbler is replaced depending on how he develops over the course of this year. That would be a 67’s decision.
The issue is though that Uronen is eligible to p[lay AHL next year. Remember he was drafted to the NHL before he was picked up by Ottawa. That means that he still has the European ability to play AHL if he can make the team. If he is not going to make the NHL team or is not offered a contract he might just go home. It is hard to say.

The point I was making though is still the same. Even without Stonehouse and Uronen this is till a formidable team.

As to Korbler i am tending to give him a bit of a break. He just turned 17 and is a rookie in the OHL playing a position where we are stacked and he is a long way from home.

Actually, the injury to Stonehouse is a bit of a blessing as he may see more ice time.
 
I know we have to move on, but man Rohrer's departure was a kick in the shorts. If he stays there is a good chance Beck stays, and all of a sudden we are a legit contender. It's the risk you take with European players - the chance to go home AND get paid is pretty attractive to a 19 or 20 year old as opposed to riding the buses in a foreign country for pocket money...
 
The issue is though that Uronen is eligible to p[lay AHL next year. Remember he was drafted to the NHL before he was picked up by Ottawa. That means that he still has the European ability to play AHL if he can make the team. If he is not going to make the NHL team or is not offered a contract he might just go home. It is hard to say.

The point I was making though is still the same. Even without Stonehouse and Uronen this is till a formidable team.

As to Korbler i am tending to give him a bit of a break. He just turned 17 and is a rookie in the OHL playing a position where we are stacked and he is a long way from home.

Actually, the injury to Stonehouse is a bit of a blessing as he may see more ice time.

Uronen was a 6th rounder. It is not usual for those guys to be signed early. Their opportunity usually comes into play more so prior to the signing deadline on June 1st. In his case, that is in 2025. The teams usually want to see the player after two full Junior seasons and/or want to assess more clearly where they stand with respect to available contracts etc. Uronen would need to knock their socks off to get an early contract and AHL assignment. I’m not saying that won’t happen, just more so less likely.

I think with respect to Korbler, it will depend on what their other viable options look like. Clearly an assessment will be made on him at the end of the season with respect to where he fits in next year,. He could break out in the second half and grab the reigns on a roster spot or he could languish on the 4th line as an unproductive forward. Who knows. What I do know is the 67’s will likely have an opportunity to make a strong Import pick as they always seem to have an opportunity to do. If they feel they have a stronger candidate, they will make that move. If I had to guess, I think that is probably more likely than less likely.

Stonehouse is a wildcard. Clearly the team would not want to trade him. The decision will come down to whether he is more valuable as a trade asset or as a player for the remainder of the season. I think you and I are on the same page with respect to where he will play next year. Assuming he doesn’t fall flat this season, he will likely play AHL next year. He skates well enough and as an agitator the Oil will want to see him do that at the pro level.
 
I know we have to move on, but man Rohrer's departure was a kick in the shorts. If he stays there is a good chance Beck stays, and all of a sudden we are a legit contender. It's the risk you take with European players - the chance to go home AND get paid is pretty attractive to a 19 or 20 year old as opposed to riding the buses in a foreign country for pocket money...

Someone can correct me if I am wrong but I don’t think the Import players are bound by the same rules. I think the teams can pay the players.

I also don’t think Rohrer was motivated by a $$$ decision. I think there was some more personal reason for him to return closer to home. I don’t know this as fact but I heard it wasn’t money.

I agree about the contender status. Add Rohrer and delete Korbler, plus add Beck and that team may be very good. It wouldn’t have positively impacted next season but this season would have been far more interesting.

Mayich gets two game suspension. Dietsch has been called up.

As per Kenny Walls.

Two is better than five…
 
Someone can correct me if I am wrong but I don’t think the Import players are bound by the same rules. I think the teams can pay the players.
Though stipends may have increased a bit in the last few years, it was $50/week and up to $150/week for OAs. (guessing those with 4 yrs of education accumulated). Maybe NHL signed imports and/or all signed players no longer eligible for education package can get the same stipend as OAs.
I also don’t think Rohrer was motivated by a $$$ decision. I think there was some more personal reason for him to return closer to home. I don’t know this as fact but I heard it wasn’t money.

I agree about the contender status. Add Rohrer and delete Korbler, plus add Beck and that team may be very good. It wouldn’t have positively impacted next season but this season would have been far more interesting.



Two is better than five…
 
Though stipends may have increased a bit in the last few years, it was $50/week and up to $150/week for OAs. (guessing those with 4 yrs of education accumulated). Maybe NHL signed imports and/or all signed players no longer eligible for education package can get the same stipend as OAs.

My understanding is the Imports aren‘t under the same rules regarding compensation. I am not sure if that relates ONLY to release of player contracts but I thought the teams could compensate the Imports under a different structure.
 
My understanding is the Imports aren‘t under the same rules regarding compensation. I am not sure if that relates ONLY to release of player contracts but I thought the teams could compensate the Imports under a different structure.
I searched for a pay scale for imports, but only found stipends, expenses, education for CHL players and OHL/QMJHL, WHL players. WHL players get $10/wk more.
 
I searched for a pay scale for imports, but only found stipends, expenses, education for CHL players and OHL/QMJHL, WHL players. WHL players get $10/wk more.

I understand that. What I am saying is the Imports are not covered under the same Standard Player Agreement that controls the maximum weekly stipend. I don’t believe the Import players sign the same contract. They operate under a different contract.
 
I think the Petes are gong to have a hell of a problem at the deadline. Beck is definitely gone but the question is if you get offers that are reasonable how can you say no to Mayer leaving and others?

Ottawa this year has a good team, not a great team. Mississauga right now has a great team in comparison. Sudbury is doing everything right.

I think the best thing this team can do is sit tight, make no trades and see what develops. Cameron is going to have to slow down Mayich or give him a defensive partner that he can trust. Last year he did not have a lot of pressure because he had Matier beside him.

This is his year to show St L that he is worth a contract for him that means playing good positional defence with a high plus rating

I agree with OMG that Donoso, Stonehouse, and Mayich are going to be deadline moves if at all.

Donoso is really the only;y one who is probably guaranteed to move.

I am sure that Boyd will talk to Edmonton to get a feeling of what they see happening with Stonehouse next year. If it is a concussion as we saw with Beck, it can mean a long time out. Edmonton Media had him listed as returning next weekend, so i am not sure how bad it its.

Consider this next year we will have

Gerrior Gardiner Kelly
Pinelli Foster Dever
Barlas Whitehead Korbler
Hilton Houben 1st round draft pick
Yanni
1st round draft pick
Euro


Mayich Ewle
Marelli Mews
Dietsch Brady
Smyth or Sirman 2nd round pick

Mack
Nelson


Then of course if Stonehouse is not traded and comes back you can slot him in making the team better.

Uronen I either see going AHL or back to Europe.

This team only gets better with age lol and eeps gettng better every year.
The Petes will likely only trade Connor Lockhart and Sam Mayer if they can get a younger player plus a draft pick in return. The team is committed to being competitive every year. They will likely replace most of their draft picks in deals for Owen Beck and Konnor Smith. They don’t have to sell everything to rebuild. I believe their goal if they traded their overage players is to get younger players in return that can help this year and in the future. If they traded Mayer and Smith at the deadline they will have to receive a defenceman in those deals as they only have a roster of 7 defencemen (minus Cam Gauvreau). They may be able to take draft picks only for Lockhart but they likely would not trade him for less than a 2nd and 3rd.
 
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