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Ottawa 67's 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

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BarberPole9 said:
To get a 2nd and 3rd for 5’11, 162 pound Jack Beck and acquire a 6’6, 221 pound Kaleb Lawrence shows why the 67’s have the best management in the league. This team desperately needed some more size and jam and now they get it.

As I mentioned a week ago, the fact that Lawrence is a local player AND checks off the size and skill boxes made him the perfect low-cost acquisition.
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I still hate losing Beck but you make some good points - this is a good pickup that makes us better, plus keeping the extra second and third we got for Beck. I am a competitive guy so I am always in win-now mode, but this is junior hockey, and there are cycles that you just have to live with. If you try to win it all every year, you'll never win a thing. We also shipped Beck to the other Conference, which was smart...
 
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I think Beck for a 2,3 was fair, assuming he is good for ~80 pts. If he demanded a trade, even better for Ottawa's GM.

Savard and Lawrence going for an 8th each is good value for the aquiring team.
 
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Do we see Lawrence as a 3rd line centre, who will bump Whitehead down to the 4th line? Or someone who can play centre in the top 6 for us so Pinelli can move back to the wing? My inclination is the former, at least until he gets his bearings with the 67s.

I still think we need a viable top pairing D-man that can play with Mayich. But the veteran centre was a higher priority.

Good asset management overall by Boyd here. Lawrence is a local guy, Beck wanted out, and we have good depth at wing anyway.
 
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NordiquesForeva said:
Do we see Lawrence as a 3rd line centre, who will bump Whitehead down to the 4th line? Or someone who can play centre in the top 6 for us so Pinelli can move back to the wing? My inclination is the former, at least until he gets his bearings with the 67s.

I still think we need a viable top pairing D-man that can play with Mayich. But the veteran centre was a higher priority.

Good asset management overall by Boyd here. Lawrence is a local guy, Beck wanted out, and we have good depth at wing anyway.
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Provided Lawrence can play centre competently.
 
Section5Petes said:
Who is in the elite group right now? And what wound values look like for Sam Mayer, Connor Lockhart, Jax Dubois and Cam Gauvreau?
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I think Connor Lockhart would go for either a 2nd and a 3rd or a 18 year old forward and a draft picks, Sam Mayer wound go for either a 2nd and a 3rd round draft picks or a defenceman and a draft pick. It is hard to say what Jax Dubois would go for. He has 7 points in 2 games but it is a small sample. So if after 10 games he had 5 goals and 9 assists I would think he may garner a 3rd and 4th round draft pick it not more. Can Gauvreau would go likely for a 7th or an 8th. I think that the Petes will keep Connor Lockhart, Jax Dubois and Sam Mayer until the trade deadline. Will see what they can get for them and decide whether or not they will trade them if the offers suit them. It will not be the case of trading and taking whatever they could get for them. Right now the priority is getting Cam Gauvreau a place to play.
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BarberPole9 said:
To get a 2nd and 3rd for 5’11, 162 pound Jack Beck and acquire a 6’6, 221 pound Kaleb Lawrence shows why the 67’s have the best management in the league. This team desperately needed some more size and jam and now they get it.

As I mentioned a week ago, the fact that Lawrence is a local player AND checks off the size and skill boxes made him the perfect low-cost acquisition.
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I agree it’s a great situation to get a haul back for Beck and to pay so little for Lawrence but when are people going to learn that height and weight aren’t the be all end all for hockey nor anything in life for that matter? Why do you have to mention height and weight? I also understand the 67’s need size and grit which is being checked off in this deal and this is a great addition to the team but Jack Beck is 2x the hockey player Lawrence is and this message implies the opposite because of height and weight. Speed and Skill >>>> Height and Pounds
 
Leafs n Prospects said:
I agree it’s a great situation to get a haul back for Beck and to pay so little for Lawrence but when are people going to learn that height and weight aren’t the be all end all for hockey nor anything in life for that matter? Why do you have to mention height and weight? I also understand the 67’s need size and grit which is being checked off in this deal and this is a great addition to the team but Jack Beck is 2x the hockey player Lawrence is and this message implies the opposite because of height and weight. Speed and Skill >>>> Height and Pounds
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Speed and skill is all over the 67’s lineup already . They were physically manhandled by Peterborough in the playoffs. They need some size to complement the speed and skill.

Hamilton won the league two years ago after adding Arber Xhekaj and Mason McTavish at the deadline to complement an already skilled team.

Jack Beck is a heck of a player but the team already has small and skilled players in droves. I really like this move.
 
OHL4Life said:
same as savard, the over age market is trash unless your in the elite group.
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Yeah and the smart teams are not letting go of the elite group until the deadline.

Section5Petes said:
Who is in the elite group right now? And what wound values look like for Sam Mayer, Connor Lockhart, Jax Dubois and Cam Gauvreau?
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Only time will tell the value is going to be who wants them and how well are they playing. You can not even look at value as it is so flexible. For instance, iHB in Kitchener is going to be the prize I am sure that Sag and Lon are going to try for. What is paid for him will decide what is paid for mayer
 
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OMG67 said:
Provided Lawrence can play centre competently.
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He is definitley going to be better than what we have after Gardner at winning faceoffs. If he can learn to play both ends and develop under Cameron it makes sense to move Pinelli back to the wing. At least then there will be less pressure on him. and there is nothing to say that he cannot practice and learn how to win faceoffs

This is going to give us 2 great lines and depending on how Whitehead, Barlas or Foster adapt it could be a good 3rd line.

I said they would make a move this week, and they did. As to a defenceman I think we have the parts for a while adn really at this stage there is not a lot available.

The test for this team as always will be at the end of the month when they do the northern trip.
 
beastintheeast said:
He is definitley going to be better than what we have after Gardner at winning faceoffs. If he can learn to play both ends and develop under Cameron it makes sense to move Pinelli back to the wing. At least then there will be less pressure on him. and there is nothing to say that he cannot practice and learn how to win faceoffs

This is going to give us 2 great lines and depending on how Whitehead, Barlas or Foster adapt it could be a good 3rd line.

I said they would make a move this week, and they did. As to a defenceman I think we have the parts for a while adn really at this stage there is not a lot available.

The test for this team as always will be at the end of the month when they do the northern trip.
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Lawrence projects much better as a winger, he's a below 40% faceoff man. He brings size, physicality and net front presence. All things Ottawa needs, but he is not going to be the savior at centre. Good pick-up but one the expectations need to moderated on.
 
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In fairness the player everyone believes this team needs will cost way more than Ottawa should be spending this year. In a perfect world they go pluck Beck and Mayer out of Peterborough and they go from mid pack east to favorite.
 
PuckStop75 said:
Lawrence projects much better as a winger, he's a below 40% faceoff man. He brings size, physicality and net front presence. All things Ottawa needs, but he is not going to be the savior at centre. Good pick-up but one the expectations need to moderated on.
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Even at 40% he is still an improvement at center. We have wingers who can play and score we need a center. He is more useful as a center to Pinelli than a winger to Pinelli. He gives us what we need for this year. If we were taking a run then I don't think we even look at him. He is a stopgap for this year to let Whitehead and others develop
 
beastintheeast said:
Even at 40% he is still an improvement at center. We have wingers who can play and score we need a center. He is more useful as a center to Pinelli than a winger to Pinelli. He gives us what we need for this year. If we were taking a run then I don't think we even look at him. He is a stopgap for this year to let Whitehead and others develop
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Winning draws is one thing (he's not going to elevate that stat), providing a viable big body in the zone and around the net also has its benefits. Call him a centre if you want too, but Pinelli and Gardiner have more skill, and are better at carrying and distributing the puck.

The challenge isn't getting a guy to the front of the net, its winning the battle for position and creating space for the other players, or just muscling through a check and making a quality shot on net. Against the Petes those battles were being lost, at net front and along the walls.
 
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PuckStop75 said:
Winning draws is one thing (he's not going to elevate that stat), providing a viable big body in the zone and around the net also has its benefits. Call him a centre if you want too, but Pinelli and Gardiner have more skill, and are better at carrying and distributing the puck.

The challenge isn't getting a guy to the front of the net, its winning the battle for position and creating space for the other players, or just muscling through a check and making a quality shot on net. Against the Petes those battles were being lost, at net front and along the walls.
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In order to score goals and win, you have to control the puck. If you do not win the faceoff you are not going to control the puck.

How do you score on a powerplay if every faceoff the other team wins and clears the puck.
 
beastintheeast said:
In order to score goals and win, you have to control the puck. If you do not win the faceoff you are not going to control the puck.

How do you score on a powerplay if every faceoff the other team wins and clears the puck.
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Not disputing the value of winning draws, its a vital part of the game and an area where the team needs to recognize a weakness. I like the Lawrence addition but he isn't the answer to the struggles they are having at the faceoff dot.

As far as scoring on the powerplay, Ottawa has demonstrated you can technically lose a draw, pressure the defending team into a turnover and work from there. Its not ideal and the efficiency improves dramatically by skipping the puck retrieval step but ultimately a team is never going to win 100% of the draws and needs to be effective at both.
 
NordiquesForeva said:
Do we see Lawrence as a 3rd line centre, who will bump Whitehead down to the 4th line? Or someone who can play centre in the top 6 for us so Pinelli can move back to the wing? My inclination is the former, at least until he gets his bearings with the 67s.

I still think we need a viable top pairing D-man that can play with Mayich. But the veteran centre was a higher priority.

Good asset management overall by Boyd here. Lawrence is a local guy, Beck wanted out, and we have good depth at wing anyway.
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Kaleb is a monster, but he didn't play a lot of centre in OS, and hesa better winger.
Wish him all the best in his home town.
The Attack did right by him, getting him a great place to play, instead of having him eat popcorn in the stands.
 
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Lawrence is listed on the roster as a center. He won 237 faceoffs last year, so he knows how to do it. That and his size will make things interesting

Remember this is not a team that is trying for first place. This is a team that lost a lot of layers and now needs to suck back develop what they have and recoup draft picks.

Pinelli Lawrence and Stonehouse will be an interesting line lOL

Next year OA Gerrior Sirman Mackenzie
 
Stonehouse and Mayich.

Both are set to be OA’s next season. Stonehouse has an NHL contract. Mayich doesn’t.

Since Stonehouse has an NHL contract, it is unlikely he returns next season for an OA year. He now becomes a candidate for trade at the deadline. Mayich, on the other hand, does not have a contract. It is likely he returns next season. The Blues have the extra year to get him signed and since he was a late round pick, I think it is unlikely they will sign him early. I think his game needs to improve offensively and he would benefit from that extra season in the OHL.

That lines up MacK, Gerrior, and Mayich as the Plan “A” OA’s next season.

I guess that now means we start to consider what the projected value is for Stonehouse at the deadline. What is he? He’s a potential 40 goal scorer that is a pain in the arse to play against. HE is an agitator that draws penalties. The latter of those attributes are why Edmonton signed him. I’ve said many times he is the OHL version of Brad Marchand. For him to go undrafted and then sign an NHL contract right after camp, you gotta think the Oilers see something in him as a pro. How does that translate at the deadline? He isn’t the type of player to play for Team Canada and he isn’t high profile. Maybe Brett Harrison is a comparable? Is that too much? Stonehouse isn’t a centre. Tyler savard doesn’t score enough to be a comparable. Then there is Zhilkin. Again, another centre but Stonehouse is more productive with the puck and without it. Zhilkin and Harrison went for same trade value.

I think it will all depend on where the trade market is this deadline. Stonehouse won’t go for a 2023 1st but I think he is in that group of players that are one step below those guys. LAst season those guys went for two 2nds and three 3rds. Will the market be similar this year or depressed?
 
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