Wonder what the price would be to Ottawa to get OA RD Motew from Kitchener now that Schmidt has been returned?
Ottawa 67's 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)
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HockeyPops
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Most of those players were OAs (and Humphrey was the only player traded that still played 2 more years after they won, and that was likely a sweetener to allow them to get Testa in return). Also, Duarte was not traded, he was waived. So, Hamilton traded away 5 OAs and 2 returning 19 year olds.
Costantini - OA
White - OA
Duarte - OA, waived
Winterton
Humphrey
Diaco - OA
Hayes - OA
Morrison - OA
If this is the template, then Peterborough would trade the following:
Lockhart - OA
Simpson - OA
Mayer - OA
Dubois - OA
Beck
Smith
Does anyone know how empty was Hamilton's picks cupboard after the deadline two years ago, compared to Peterboroughs last year?
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I don‘t see his value being much different than Lawrence. The market for OA‘s that aren’t significant contributors to scoring will likely stay flat IMO. Only the OA’s that are key contributors at the top of the roster are likely to garner serious value.
We added Lawrence for an 8th. Lockhart is a point per game winger and went for a 3rd and 5th. Savard an 8th. I can’t see Motew being more than a 5th.
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I confess that I don't know much, if anything, about this particular player but him being a RHS defenseman is ideal as he could play with Mayich (or Marrelli) in our top-4 without having to convert anyone to their off-side.
Smyth could then play the left side exclusively on the third pairing with Brady or Ewles on the right side.
Might even allow Cameron to go back to the 11 and 7 configuration he had late last season if he's more confident in Ewles or Brady than the 12th forward (Korbler).
Pinelli - Gardiner - Foster
Stonehouse - Lawrence - Dever
Gerrior - Whitehead - Kelly
Hilton/Barlas
Mayich - OA (Motew)
Marrelli - Mews
Smyth - Ewles/Brady
Hamilton had retained their own 2nd and 3rd in 2026 (3rd year out) and was only missing one 4th at the start of the season. Peterborough is currently sitting with two 3rds in 2025 and no 2nds or 4ths for three years, add to the mix that Lockhart and Simpson have already been moved.
Ottawa has lots of 5ths...
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That is why regardless of whether the Petes are first by the deadline, from an organizational sustainability standpoint, the Petes and General Manager Mike Oke will have to ship off pieces no matter what. New Petes President Dave Lorentz wants to be competitive every year and this is the opportunity to reset and ensure that can actually happen. Beck, Mayer, Smith, McCoy, Sztuska, Bowen, Dubois, Melee all have to be on the table. Not all traded but have to be explored, it is what has to be done. Get as many first half wins as possible and go from there.
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And to be fair, that decision was set in stone last season at the deadline. This shouldn’t even be a topic of conversation. A Petes attempt at a run this year would set them back for a full cycle of basement dwelling. It would be irresponsible and reckless.
In my personal opinion, Beck and Mayer are or should be the 100% guaranteed gone Players. Then they need to decide who their projected OA’s are next season and keep those three 19 year olds. Maybe keep four as a safety net? You can Always trade one at the beginning of the season if all four return.
After that, it comes down to the market and whether the offers are worth looking at. I don’t feel they should completely bottom out. There is a benefit of maintaining a respectable level of competitiveness. I wouldn’t go hog wild on the rebuild if I were only getting a 3rd and 5th for Smith as an example. I’d keep him under those circumstances.
This is the same for Ottawa. If Stonehouse is regarded as a top forward and garners the two 2nds and two 3rds as we feel he should, then I’d trade him. If his value is lessor then it makes more sense for Ottawa to maintain competitiveness. These sorts of strategic decisions need to be made on the fly. The Petes are likely one of the small handful of teams that will have to feel things out As we move through the deadline. I was surprised at the return and destination for Lockhart. I fear that is just the first odd domino to fall Across the league.
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If this is a retooling year, then I think bringing in an OA is a dumb move. Lawrence, I could see because we needed to get Pinelli to the wing.
However, if we are retooling and trying to look to the future, then I would be more happy to see a couple of D get traded (Smythe, Ewle) and bring Deitch up for the last part of the season.
I am not sure what the deal is with NAVAN when it comes to Nelson, but trading Donoso should also be a priority. Bring Nelson up and see how he does in an OHL net. Play him like you normally would a rookie and see how he does.
This will give us an idea of what we need in the draft besides another center with size and a couple of D.
I think the Petes for sure will trade Owen Beck. They will likely trade one of Sam Mayer or Konnor Smith and maybe a goaltender.
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I think the return would have to be greater than expected for the Petes not to keep 3-‘04s for OAs next season.
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It depends on a few things.
1> Does the team feel ANY of the existing D-Men outside the top 3 are capable of elevating their games to being a #4? If so, what situation is best for those players to play in that develops them into that role? For example, as of right now, I think Brody is th most likely candidate to play the #4 spot next year. However, is he better suited playing in a more controlled spot as the #5/6 this year or is it better to throw him to the fire And play him with Mayich now? If it makes more sense to bring him a long a little slower, adding an OA D-Man is the right move.
2> Dietsch. If he is getting a lot of ice time where he is and he is excelling, leave him there. We’ve seen a lot of players over the last few seasons play their year in JrA and then come up and be more ready than many of the 17 year olds that stayed with the club the previous season.
3> Nelson. Again, if he is getting time in net where he is, let him face more rubber and continue to develop. 16 year old goalies in the OHL are not typical. I see no reason to bring him up unless it is on an emergency basis. If you want to give him some games at Christmas to check him out, I am fine with that. If he plays well and he seems to have confidence, then I would be ok keeping him up as a backup. But, that is a couple big “if’s” right there.
The team would still benefit from having a successful season regardless of whether it is a retooling year. IT is unlikely they end up with a top 10 pick no matter what they do so it is not like they are trying to protect their draft position. They may as well still make an effort trying to go as far as they can with what they have. IF they can add an OA that fills a hole and costs relatively little (5th round pick or later) then they should fill their available OA Spots.
I really want to see Donoso in a starter role somewhere. He deserves it and we should be trying to make it happen for him.
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An OA on defence only solves the problem this year for a short period of time, and no matter what is going to cost draft picks
If we trade Donoso what do we do for backup for him? Let's see what Nelso has and if that is bring him up for a look before we trade, As to his age it means very little it is his ability that makes he difference.
I think this year we will make the PO no matter what. The goal of the year was to recoup draft picks. We really do not need any more OA's unless we are going for it which I think is the wrong move.
What is the status of Sirman?
A good update on Vinni Rohrer above. A few highlights:
1) He chose to play in Switzerland because they play fewer games, allowing him to train more to get stronger;
2) He’s only playing 12 minutes a night with 5 points in 18 games;
3) Montreal wanted him to stay in the O, as they believe playing games helps development.
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The objective for this season, in my opinion, is to set up the team for a reasonable playoff run...somewhere in the #3-6 range in the conference, with either a 6/7 game 1st round series loss against a top seed, or a 2nd round exit. If we are looking at 2024-25 as a season in which we want to go on a run, we need to get these guys some playoff reps and experience this year. That seems achievable given the makeup of the team, the competition, and how well the team has played so far this year.
A veteran (OA) defenseman, preferably a RHS, will deepen the defense group and allow Ewles and Brady, both of him will be relatively important next year, to develop in more favourable situations (as depth D-men). The cost needs to be fairly cheap though.
While this team looks stronger next year than this year, this assumes that our key OAs (MacKenzie, Mayich) return. I think Gerrior is a given, but there is no guarantee that the first two players return. Our team would look a lot worse without our #1 defenseman and one of the league's top goalies.
It will be interesting to see how the market shapes up at the trade deadline. If its a buyers market and we're not able to secure fair value for Stonehouse, we should keep him for this year's playoff run and the ~20% chance he returns as an OA next year.
I assume Sirman, when he returns, will play the wing like he did last year (in the absence of injuries to any of our defensemen). We need to presume that Uronen is going to be out for an extended period unfortunately.
All in all, I'd like to look at this year and next year as a 2-year run culminating in us pushing some chips in next year. If all of our key players return, Ottawa will have a strong structure to work from.
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It is not a black and white scenario.
Young players need to play in the right situations To develop. You can’t just throw 16 and 17 year olds into high leverage situations against more experienced players and expect that will help them long term. Some players have the ability to achieve higher results that way, some don’t.
Both Ewles and Horner have proven to not be consistently capable of playing in a top two pairing role successfully. The types of errors they make are not learning errors. They are vision and anticipation errors. I would argue that neither of those two players can play at a Championship level on either of the top two pairings. At this point, I don’t consider them as candidates for anything other than bottom pairing D-Men at the OHL Level going forward.
Brady has shown promise and he may be able to develop playing 20 minutes per game on the second pairing. However, if the management/coaches feel his “development” would be better suited to playing on the 3rd pairing 15 minutes per game to manage his workload and put him in better situations in an effort to prepare him for next season then it does make sense to add a capable OA D-Man. Players are not thrust into bad situations that hurt their development. Brady can then, as an 18 year old, elevate tot he 2nd pairing next season successfully and play an integral role on next years team.
The goaltending goal is two-fold. First, it is doing right by the player. We need to do right by Donoso. We need to give him a place to play. If MacK can play 2 games every week, we need a goalie to play 9 regular season games the rest of the way To help cover off the 3 in 3’s and 3 in 4’s. There are more than enough goalies out there to cover that and the cost to acquire is minimal. I wouldn’t bring up Nelson for that role as a 16 year old but there is an argument that can be made that he can develop just as well practising with the 67’s so I’m not set in stone on that stance. He’d have to be capable in game action though.
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I think there is another unknown reason for him to move there. None of that makes a lot of sense Unless he is totally uninterested in taking a shot at the NHL. If Montreal wanted him to stay in the OHL, I feel they likely walked away from him as a prospect when he went back to Switzerland And Rohrer knew it.
The back-up situation is easily resolvable, the team won't need a 50/50 guy they will need a goalie who can play 20 games against the worst teams in the league. If a space opens for Donoso to play the team should do him a solid and make the deal and there is likely a goalie coming in return; but I don't believe that deal is there for the taking at the moment.
If Ewles and Horner are viewed as top out 3rd pairing D in Ottawa (I agree with that opinion) trading them for a reasonable return now to a weaker team where there is a higher window of opportunity. We see London do this all the time. They identify their talent pool and transition players to other teams all the time. Its also why it is rare that you see London sitting with Smyth and Sirman type of players in their 19 yo season. As 18 yo these are attractive deals to teams who are struggling to roster competitive teams.
Brady is a border line 2nd pairing D, the team needs a legitimate 19 yo/OA in that position if they hope to contend this year or next. He should be developing on a 3rd pairing, at which point a decision needs to be whether he fits. An OA would fill the 2nd pairing gap cheaply this year and allow Hank & Frank to develop along side better partners versus trying to sort it out together or with weaker partners where there is vulnerability against the better players and lines in the league.
If Ewles and Horner are viewed as top out 3rd pairing D in Ottawa (I agree with that opinion) trading them for a reasonable return now to a weaker team where there is a higher window of opportunity. We see London do this all the time. They identify their talent pool and transition players to other teams all the time. Its also why it is rare that you see London sitting with Smyth and Sirman type of players in their 19 yo season. As 18 yo these are attractive deals to teams who are struggling to roster competitive teams.
Brady is a border line 2nd pairing D, the team needs a legitimate 19 yo/OA in that position if they hope to contend this year or next. He should be developing on a 3rd pairing, at which point a decision needs to be whether he fits. An OA would fill the 2nd pairing gap cheaply this year and allow Hank & Frank to develop along side better partners versus trying to sort it out together or with weaker partners where there is vulnerability against the better players and lines in the league.
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If like everyone says we need to trade Donoso to give him a chance then the question becomes where do you replace him. Nelson seems to be the best choice and if he is going to be the future should be given the chance much like MacK got.
As to defence I really do not see a lot of value for Ewle or Horner and that makes a big difference.
If they are not going to gain anything then keeping them is not a bad thing.
Mack will be back hs is undrafted, Mayich may get a look but I think unless he improves he will also be back,
Mews and Marelli will be just about ready to step up next year.
If we do not find a 4th D from our own stock and then use an OA what happens next year? We will be possibly back to where we are.
Again depending on what happens with Sirman who I think will get a chance at Defence There are going to be needs.
I think us going for a high playoff run is going to depend on what Boyd does. If he trades Stonehouse and Donoso That is going to be interesting
If he trades defencemen where do we get the replacements? As OMG stated Dietcsh may be better off playing with the Jr Sens.
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MacK didn’t play in the OHL as a 16 year old. He started the season with Ottawa as a 17 year old backup for 8 games and was injured and finished his season in JrA. MacK didn’t make an impact in any way until last season as an 18 year old. Be careful making the comparison. 16 year old goalies are few and far between in the OHL. It is typically reserved for first round picks only.
Sirman is. A spare part and will be used as a Swiss Army Knife If/when he returns. No disrespect to him because I really like Sirman and always have. It is just that his value to the team has been relegated to utility role.
Just because a player doesn’t take the 4th D-Man role this year, doesn’t mean they aren’t better prepared for it next year. It is not often that a rookie D-Man steps right into the 4th D-Man role. They usually need a season or a good portion of a season to acclimate to the league and find the tempo and pace required. The following season is when you see them make their push when they have grown a bit both physically and skill set wise. I am not saying that Brody is that guy. I thought Ewles and Horner could both be that guy this year but I was wrong. If Brady doesn’t prove to be that guy next year, they will then have to go get one on the trade market. Let him settle in by playing the 3rd pair.
The point of trading D-Men is they brought in a OA and Sirman returns in the second half. Sirman can be the #7-8 D-Man and swingman forward depending on where the need is.
Mayich - Mews
Marrelli - OA Trade
Smyth - Brady
Sirman - Ewles
Trade - Horner
If they were to deal Ewles, which I think may be a mistake because he may have a role next year, they would likely have to bring up Dietsch. Or they run with seven D-Men and Sirman falls back for injury and Dietsch gets called up if two guys go down to injury. I don’t think they would go that thin though.
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This is all spit-balling to be honest. There is a fine line between doing what is right for the team and what is right for the player. Sometimes doing right by the player is what’s doing right by the team in the long run.
If it were all about protecting the team, they would keep Donoso and play him 9-12 more times this season. They would acquire an OA D-Man and keep the other guys as depth.
If it is about doing right by the players, they would trade Donoso for nothing to a team that would be willing to play him as a starter. They’d get a viable backup in return from their roster. They would assess where they are on defence, pick the guys here next year and then trade everyone else if the destination has them in the starting 6.
We know it isn’t that simple. There is always a balance between right for the team and right for the player.
The 19 year olds that remain with Ottawa this year and not be offered an OA spot next year will be offered around the league to start the season. Trades will be made involving those players. Smyth is a prime example of a player that will likely remain with Ottawa and barring any surprises will likely be moved in the week or so leading up to the start of the season. Same with Sirman.
Donoso and Stonehouse are the most likely candidates for trade. If a player like Horner makes a request and they can fulfill the request, maybe we see a player like him be dealt…maybe. But, as it stands now, I have Donoso as 60-40 and Stonehouse as 30-70 being traded. The rest? Maybe around 10-90. I could see the 67’s do absolutely nothing the rest of the way. I could see them add an OA D-Man and do nothing else as well. They are a lot closer to status quo as a strategy than traders.
If it were all about protecting the team, they would keep Donoso and play him 9-12 more times this season. They would acquire an OA D-Man and keep the other guys as depth.
If it is about doing right by the players, they would trade Donoso for nothing to a team that would be willing to play him as a starter. They’d get a viable backup in return from their roster. They would assess where they are on defence, pick the guys here next year and then trade everyone else if the destination has them in the starting 6.
We know it isn’t that simple. There is always a balance between right for the team and right for the player.
The 19 year olds that remain with Ottawa this year and not be offered an OA spot next year will be offered around the league to start the season. Trades will be made involving those players. Smyth is a prime example of a player that will likely remain with Ottawa and barring any surprises will likely be moved in the week or so leading up to the start of the season. Same with Sirman.
Donoso and Stonehouse are the most likely candidates for trade. If a player like Horner makes a request and they can fulfill the request, maybe we see a player like him be dealt…maybe. But, as it stands now, I have Donoso as 60-40 and Stonehouse as 30-70 being traded. The rest? Maybe around 10-90. I could see the 67’s do absolutely nothing the rest of the way. I could see them add an OA D-Man and do nothing else as well. They are a lot closer to status quo as a strategy than traders.
I wonder if part of the reason that the 67’s have held off adding an OA is because of question marks on Jack Matier and Tyler Boucher.
Jack is currently playing for the Atlanta Gladiators in the Coast. If he were to return to the O, he might be the best Defenceman in the league. Heck, Roman Schmidt just got returned to Kitchener.
Tyler hasn’t played in two months. The old management regime that was pushing him aggressively is no longer in place. If/when he gets healthy, 22 minutes a night on the 67’s top line would do his development wonders.
Jack is currently playing for the Atlanta Gladiators in the Coast. If he were to return to the O, he might be the best Defenceman in the league. Heck, Roman Schmidt just got returned to Kitchener.
Tyler hasn’t played in two months. The old management regime that was pushing him aggressively is no longer in place. If/when he gets healthy, 22 minutes a night on the 67’s top line would do his development wonders.
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Matier must be in the Nashville pipeline some way or other, so I can't see that. As for Boucher, he hasn't played more than 25-30 games a year in a long time. He plays a robust game and his body suffers for it.
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Wow —Great insight BarberPole9.
We need more posts like this one around here
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