Ottawa 67's 2023-24 Season Thread (Part 2)

[OMG67]

I hear what you are saying but I see the gap being at RD so get a RD not the best LD and hope it can be made to work. If it costs them a Brady, Horner or Ewles and picks I'm ok with that. If they do any buying this year it screws going for it next year anyways so might as well buy the right pieces.

For some reason I thought Mayer was a RD! My bad. I still feel he is a better option but a RD would be more beneficial.

I guess it comes down to the faith in Mews. If we have strong faith in Mews to run the offence and PP, then get McCoy. My issue is I would rather have a more seasoned PP QB and a better overall leader on the defence. That said, McCoy would be better when we talk about goal suppression.

I think McCoy’s trade value would be Brady plus a 2nd and 3rd. I am not sure Peterborough would trade him for that. I don’t think anyone would give up more than that for him. I think McCoy is a stalemate player. Probably worth more on the Petes and to the Petes than he is on the trade market.

 

[PuckStop75]

For some reason I thought Mayer was a RD! My bad. I still feel he is a better option but a RD would be more beneficial.

I guess it comes down to the faith in Mews. If we have strong faith in Mews to run the offence and PP, then get McCoy. My issue is I would rather have a more seasoned PP QB and a better overall leader on the defence. That said, McCoy would be better when we talk about goal suppression.

I think McCoy’s trade value would be Brady plus a 2nd and 3rd. I am not sure Peterborough would trade him for that. I don’t think anyone would give up more than that for him. I think McCoy is a stalemate player. Probably worth more on the Petes and to the Petes than he is on the trade market.

What do you figure Dubois and McCoy are worth in a package deal?

 

[OMG67]

What do you figure Dubois and McCoy are worth in a package deal?

That’s a tough one.

Dubois is probably in the 2nd and 5th range. Add that to McCoy at Brady plus a 2nd and 3rd. Again, I don’t think Petes make that deal though. Ottawa would have to pry him away from the Petes. I think there will likely be other D-Men available at a more reasonable cost.

I think the Petes need to keep McCoy. They need some stability on their back end and he is their captain. He would guide them through a tough year next year. He would be the continuity piece for the Petes culture etc. I just don’t see him getting moved at almost any price. If they were to move McCoy, I think it would set them back quite a bit on the rebuild.

Ottawa is in a tough trade position. They don’t have their 2023 1st. They don’t have an expendable 2022 draft pick that has major value. This makes it really hard for them to acquire an elite piece like Punnett out of Barrie or Nelson out of NB (Assuming they end up available). They don’t have a ton of draft picks like they did last year. They do have a lot but not enough to toss them around like candy.

This is why I have been focussing on OA’s and Imports for the most part. They come at a shorter cost and may be more readily available than the 19 year olds.

 

[PuckStop75]

That’s a tough one.

Dubois is probably in the 2nd and 5th range. Add that to McCoy at Brady plus a 2nd and 3rd. Again, I don’t think Petes make that deal though. Ottawa would have to pry him away from the Petes. I think there will likely be other D-Men available at a more reasonable cost.

I think the Petes need to keep McCoy. They need some stability on their back end and he is their captain. He would guide them through a tough year next year. He would be the continuity piece for the Petes culture etc. I just don’t see him getting moved at almost any price. If they were to move McCoy, I think it would set them back quite a bit on the rebuild.

Ottawa is in a tough trade position. They don’t have their 2023 1st. They don’t have an expendable 2022 draft pick that has major value. This makes it really hard for them to acquire an elite piece like Punnett out of Barrie or Nelson out of NB (Assuming they end up available). They don’t have a ton of draft picks like they did last year. They do have a lot but not enough to toss them around like candy.

This is why I have been focussing on OA’s and Imports for the most part. They come at a shorter cost and may be more readily available than the 19 year olds.

You may be right but with 9 - 04's on the current roster the organization culture isn't going to come from one player. The Captain label is just that and inevitably teams have a number of leaders in the room which is why a team like Ottawa hasn't historically named one player. Wishful thinking at this point anyways, but good discussion as always OMG!

 

[dirty12]

Selfishly, I would like to see NB sell. It would be great for the trade market if they did. I think status quo for them would be a big mistake and buying would be almost worse. By “buy,” I mean major acquisition/s, not jsut tinkering at the fringes and filling a couple gaps cheaply.

The Battalion are a conference final team for 3rd straight year imo, maybe third time is the charm. Is that the saying?
Have a deep look into that team. I think you will find that selling at this time would be a waste, and would not change the time line for the next window of opportunity.
I am quite certain NB has no intention of selling.

 

[OMG67]

You may be right but with 9 - 04's on the current roster the organization culture isn't going to come from one player. The Captain label is just that and inevitably teams have a number of leaders in the room which is why a team like Ottawa hasn't historically named one player. Wishful thinking at this point anyways, but good discussion as always OMG!

The Petes are in an awkward situation. The culture will remain this season but I am talking about transitioning from this current crop to the next crop. If the Petes cut deep this deadline, they will be in a tough situation for that culture continuity. They traded away all of their impact ’05’s and ‘06’s. They have a serious gap. The culture transition has to flow through their ‘07s and ‘08s. That means next year is a pivotal year for the existing leadership to hand off the culture to the next generation of Petes.

McCoy is the perfect vessel to transport that culture and hand it off. I really don’t feel any of the other ‘04’s that are likely to return are in as strong of a leadership position to carry that load.

I feel the Petes have built a strong culture that should be handed down to the next generation of players. The management and coaches will only need to maintain it as opposed to build it again from scratch. By all accounts, their 1st rounder this year, Carson Cameron, has strong leadership qualities. If he has the support form McCoy next year, he will have had two years under this leadership group to be able to carry on that tradition.

That is where I am coming from with respect to McCoy. That is why I don’t think he will be available under any circumstances. I cannot see the Petes moving him unless the offer is something outrageous and I dont’ see an offer like that being viable for any contending team.

 

[OMG67]

The Battalion are a conference final team for 3rd straight year imo, maybe third time is the charm. Is that the saying?
Have a deep look into that team. I think you will find that selling at this time would be a waste, and would not change the time line for the next window of opportunity.
I am quite certain NB has no intention of selling.

I don’t think hey have the pieces. Or, should I say, I don’t think they wil have the pieces when the dust settles. Their goal suppression is very bad. I know a lot of that falls on DiVin but that is a lot of risk considering how utterly horrible he has been. That means they are likely in need of a goalie. I cannot see them trade off an OA for a goalie. So, that goalie needs to be a 19 year old. I’m not sure there will be a suitable 19 year old available that suits their needs.

 

[belair]

I don’t think hey have the pieces. Or, should I say, I don’t think they wil have the pieces when the dust settles. Their goal suppression is very bad. I know a lot of that falls on DiVin but that is a lot of risk considering how utterly horrible he has been. That means they are likely in need of a goalie. I cannot see them trade off an OA for a goalie. So, that goalie needs to be a 19 year old. I’m not sure there will be a suitable 19 year old available that suits their needs.

The team lacks defensive depth and the ability to win without their top line driving the offense. Shut down Romani and Wakely and it's curtains. The group is too young and not strong enough to play through heavier opponents.

DiVincentiis would thrive on a deeper roster and would be a strong pick up for a team that's questioning what they've got in goal. North Bay needs to let Robertson and McIvor run with the ball.

 

[Section5Petes]

I don’t think hey have the pieces. Or, should I say, I don’t think they wil have the pieces when the dust settles. Their goal suppression is very bad. I know a lot of that falls on DiVin but that is a lot of risk considering how utterly horrible he has been. That means they are likely in need of a goalie. I cannot see them trade off an OA for a goalie. So, that goalie needs to be a 19 year old. I’m not sure there will be a suitable 19 year old available that suits their needs.

I don’t want this to sound stupid but would Zach Bowen work in the case of an ‘05 19 year old goalie? gotta think it would be Robertson and McIvors net though

 

[OMG67]

I don’t want this to sound stupid but would Zach Bowen work in the case of an ‘05 19 year old goalie? gotta think it would be Robertson and McIvors net though

They need DiVin to stand back up. Simple as that. Anything less than him returning to form is disastrous for NB.

 

[beastintheeast]

They need DiVin to stand back up. Simple as that. Anything less than him returning to form is disastrous for NB.

I think the question for NB and the OHL teams looking for help in nets is, who do you want, Divin or Donoso? There are pluses to both, but the biggest minus is that Donoso is an OA, Di Vin has another year of OHL to go. The question is who handles the workload better and who wants to pay the price. I still think Donoso is a better fit for Kingston because it would still leave Vaccari with another year as the OA tea leader next year.

Divin would be, depending on what teams think of his play this year, better suited to other teams that have an OA issue and do not want to give one of them up.

 

[OMG67]

I think the question for NB and the OHL teams looking for help in nets is, who do you want, Divin or Donoso? There are pluses to both, but the biggest minus is that Donoso is an OA, Di Vin has another year of OHL to go. The question is who handles the workload better and who wants to pay the price. I still think Donoso is a better fit for Kingston because it would still leave Vaccari with another year as the OA tea leader next year.

Divin would be, depending on what teams think of his play this year, better suited to other teams that have an OA issue and do not want to give one of them up.

@dirty12 is stating NB is on record saying they are not selling. IF that is the case, their decision is whether they want to get behind DiVin or replace him. It wouldn’t’ be about another team swooping in and giving him a chance.

Keeping it simple, the 67’s obviously need to make their own decision. We won’t know for sure what that is until we see a move that points them in that particular direction. Boyd has not tipped his hand. At this point last year he had stated he was happy with the performance and felt making a push was what was required and the players earned it. To date? crickets.

So, we sit here speculating. That’s fine. We will know soon enough.

 

[beastintheeast]

@dirty12 is stating NB is on record saying they are not selling. IF that is the case, their decision is whether they want to get behind DiVin or replace him. It wouldn’t’ be about another team swooping in and giving him a chance.

Keeping it simple, the 67’s obviously need to make their own decision. We won’t know for sure what that is until we see a move that points them in that particular direction. Boyd has not tipped his hand. At this point last year he had stated he was happy with the performance and felt making a push was what was required and the players earned it. To date? crickets.

So, we sit here speculating. That’s fine. We will know soon enough.

LOL As I said there are a lot of people that are going to be getting their present from Santa on the 9th 10th of Jan,

if NB is not selling then that may open things up for Kingston and possibly Oshawa to do some minor buying to get ahead of them.

I think the fact that the OHL is so quiet is that a lot of teams in the East have options. 4 of the top 5 could stay status quo and still be a top 4 team. They could do some minor buys to fill a hole, or they can sell if they get the right offer.

This is not a year in the East that there are any powerhouse teams that can say they are going to go for it.

I think Boyd is listening to offers but also watching and talking with other GMs to see who is going to blink first and who is going to make him an offer he can't refuse.

 

[OMG67]

LOL As I said there are a lot of people that are going to be getting their present from Santa on the 9th 10th of Jan,

if NB is not selling then that may open things up for Kingston and possibly Oshawa to do some minor buying to get ahead of them.

I think the fact that the OHL is so quiet is that a lot of teams in the East have options. 4 of the top 5 could stay status quo and still be a top 4 team. They could do some minor buys to fill a hole, or they can sell if they get the right offer.

This is not a year in the East that there are any powerhouse teams that can say they are going to go for it.

I think Boyd is listening to offers but also watching and talking with other GMs to see who is going to blink first and who is going to make him an offer he can't refuse.

I’m not sure it works like that to be honest. GM’s don’t just throw offers at other GM’s for their players. They typically have macro level conversations about what their respective teams are doing, what their needs may be and whether there is any potential alignment.

In this case, James Boyd would likely be saying that he likes his team, likes his chances and may be looking to improve in certain areas. He’d state he has an open OA spot and could potentially look at making a change in the Import slot if the deal was right. If the GM he is speaking to has expendable players he is looking to move that fit that need, they would discuss the parameters around what a deal would look like.

Boyd wouldn’t likely have a conversation that suggested he was unsure what he wanted to do and that if he received offers for some key players that would potentially change his mind. He would make a division on how he wants to proceed and then his conversations would be directed to teams that have aligned interests.

If he wasn‘t getting the responses he needed, there is the possibility that one the last day or two prior to the deadline where he could look at changing his plan but that would be a tough transition. For example, if he wanted to look at adding but not a lot of teams were selling and it was making it very tough for him to add a couple players, he may choose to not simply remain status quo. he may at that point decide to look at selling if the market were right.

But, he wouldn’t go into the deadline on the fence allowing the market to dictate which way he goes. He wouldn’t go into the deadline and speak to another GM suggesting he’d like to compete and make a run and wants X-Y-Z but if he received a home run offer for Stonehouse, he’d change his mind.

It is very likely he has had conversations and he has a strong sense of what the market landscape looks like right now. He may use that knowledge in deciding which way he wants to go. But, the tendency will always be wanting to compete. That is the nature of the business.

 

[beastintheeast]

I’m not sure it works like that to be honest. GM’s don’t just throw offers at other GM’s for their players. They typically have macro level conversations about what their respective teams are doing, what their needs may be and whether there is any potential alignment.

In this case, James Boyd would likely be saying that he likes his team, likes his chances and may be looking to improve in certain areas. He’d state he has an open OA spot and could potentially look at making a change in the Import slot if the deal was right. If the GM he is speaking to has expendable players he is looking to move that fit that need, they would discuss the parameters around what a deal would look like.

Boyd wouldn’t likely have a conversation that suggested he was unsure what he wanted to do and that if he received offers for some key players that would potentially change his mind. He would make a division on how he wants to proceed and then his conversations would be directed to teams that have aligned interests.

If he wasn‘t getting the responses he needed, there is the possibility that one the last day or two prior to the deadline where he could look at changing his plan but that would be a tough transition. For example, if he wanted to look at adding but not a lot of teams were selling and it was making it very tough for him to add a couple players, he may choose to not simply remain status quo. he may at that point decide to look at selling if the market were right.

But, he wouldn’t go into the deadline on the fence allowing the market to dictate which way he goes. He wouldn’t go into the deadline and speak to another GM suggesting he’d like to compete and make a run and wants X-Y-Z but if he received a home run offer for Stonehouse, he’d change his mind.

It is very likely he has had conversations and he has a strong sense of what the market landscape looks like right now. He may use that knowledge in deciding which way he wants to go. But, the tendency will always be wanting to compete. That is the nature of the business.

I agree, but if he is going in thinking as a seller, then he will have a completely different conversation and will be gauging the response he could get if he were to put Stonehouse or Donoso on the market.

The other side of things could also be starting out looking at selling, finding out there is not a viable market for 67's, and then deciding that he needs to fill the holes and make a run based on what they have.

I am sure most of the GMs have had that talk and have a rough idea of what each is looking to do. Starting this weekend, we should start to see some movement. We are already seeing it in the WHL, and I am sure with only really 2 weeks to go that, teams will start to make and announce the minor deals.

There are players like Beck that may be traded, and as you said, the deal is done, but they will wait until the WJC is over to announce.

 

[OMG67]

I agree, but if he is going in thinking as a seller, then he will have a completely different conversation and will be gauging the response he could get if he were to put Stonehouse or Donoso on the market.

The other side of things could also be starting out looking at selling, finding out there is not a viable market for 67's, and then deciding that he needs to fill the holes and make a run based on what they have.

I am sure most of the GMs have had that talk and have a rough idea of what each is looking to do. Starting this weekend, we should start to see some movement. We are already seeing it in the WHL, and I am sure with only really 2 weeks to go that, teams will start to make and announce the minor deals.

There are players like Beck that may be traded, and as you said, the deal is done, but they will wait until the WJC is over to announce.

For sure. I think there were a lot of OHL GM’s sitting back this holiday break trying to decide which way they want to go with their team. Boyd was likely one of them. I think most GM’s will hit the ground running this week. The market should start to shape up through this weekend. I don’t think e will see any trades of consequence until around Jan 4th. I think the teams will need that time to fully identify the available targets and zero in on the trade values.

 

[Larionov]

Late to the party on this, but Cooper Foster picked up a six game suspension? WTH? I obviously didn't see the hit, but apparently it was for a blindside hit in the final game before the break. Was it suspension worthy, or is this another Dave Branch/No Hit League over reaction?

 

[44 95 plus tax]

Yanni and Nelson added to 67's roster. Yanni to fill in the roster for Foster's suspension. Trade coming for one of the goalies?

 

[sirius67fan]

Yanni and Nelson added to 67's roster. Yanni to fill in the roster for Foster's suspension. Trade coming for one of the goalies?

Unless a goalie is injured a trade is coming. Looking forward to see Yanni, having a good year in tier 2.

 

[OMG67]

Unless a goalie is injured a trade is coming. Looking forward to see Yanni, having a good year in tier 2.

Not necessarily. They are allowed to add the underage kids during the Christmas break. It doesn't mean they will dress but they get the freebie games if they do want to dress them.

Of course, I am NOT saying there isn’t a potential trade int he works, just suggesting there is the rule available for them to take advantage of and maybe get a preview of the young kids.

 

[OMG67]

Nelson dressed and backing up Donoso.

17 skaters dressed. Yanni is amongst those dressed.

Notable scratches:
Foster - Suspension
Barlas - Probably injured?
Uronen - Injured
Dever - Injured
Smyth - Probably injured?
Dietsch - Affliate
MacKenzie - ?

 

[OMG67]

Late to the party on this, but Cooper Foster picked up a six game suspension? WTH? I obviously didn't see the hit, but apparently it was for a blindside hit in the final game before the break. Was it suspension worthy, or is this another Dave Branch/No Hit League over reaction?

It seemed like a clear head check. Accident. The way he reacted as soon as he hit him was dejection. He hit him and his shoulders shrank like, “Oh shit. Didn’t mean to do that.”

 

[mianjo]

67's lose 5-3


GOAL
#23 Will Gerrior (13) scores.
1st 0:36
+/-



GOAL
#20 Luca Pinelli (24) scores. Assists: #27 Kaleb Lawrence
1st 7:54
+/-


GOAL
#27 Kaleb Lawrence (9) scores. Assists: #20 Luca Pinelli, #28 Caden Kelly
3rd 1:13


SHOTS ON GOAL
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[TH]Total[/TH]
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[TR]
[TH]OTT[/TH]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]36[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]NB[/TH]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[analyser]

67's lose 5-2


GOAL
#23 Will Gerrior (13) scores.
1st 0:36
+/-



GOAL
#20 Luca Pinelli (24) scores. Assists: #27 Kaleb Lawrence
1st 7:54
+/-


GOAL
#27 Kaleb Lawrence (9) scores. Assists: #20 Luca Pinelli, #28 Caden Kelly
3rd 1:13


SHOTS ON GOAL
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[TH]1st[/TH]
[TH]2nd[/TH]
[TH]3rd[/TH]
[TH]Total[/TH]
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[TR]
[TH]OTT[/TH]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]36[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH]NB[/TH]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
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How about 5-3 and NB had an en goal.

 

[OMG67]

Not a bad effort considering the volume of players out of the lineup. DiVin played pretty well. That is a good sign for NB.