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Ottawa 67's 2022-23 Season Thread

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PuckStop75 said:
Agree with the quality assessment, I don't expect them to sell either but if they aren't going for it, they should. Based on what's returning it isn't going to get better next year on its own.
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I agree. I’d even go one step further and suggest if they can’t be competitive side by side with Peterborough after acquiring an OA or two, then I don’t think pushing further in would be advisable. The Petes have two open OA spots.

The only thing Ottawa has going for it compared to Peterborough are tradable assets. They could outspend Peterborough but it’s not like North Bay isn’t also a concern. That doesn’t include Barrie and Mississauga in the mix.

As much as I have faith in Ottawa competing after the acquisition of a front line OA Centre, the reality is that may not be quite enough. I don’t advise spending to leap from multiple teams. You spend to maintain pace and not get left behind. If there are more than a small handful of teams buying, the 67’s may be able to position themselves very well.

They do have three pieces with a complete different skill set they could make available. Neither of them would be considered a mega prospect like MacT but all three would garner 2-3 2nds plus 2-3 3rds and a 17 year old medium prospect.

Thent he strategy would come into play. Can they push those assets back into the trade market for impact players that will be with them next season or do they do another round of fire sale next season and try to use that as a builder for a 3 year run after…
 
dirty12 said:
It’s four years, and (voided if receiving NHL ELC I believe. All OAs negotiate a new contract.
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Yes. All OA’s negotiate a new contract. BUT. Typically, my understanding is the OA’s that had a Gold Package usually keep them. The OA’s that don’t have that package typically don’t get them unless they are significantly impactful. I think it is pretty rare that an OA backs into a Gold Package. Most of them are already taking classes on the dole of the teams anyway. By the time they finish their OA season the ones that care about education have at least one year completed online. That may impact their negotiation.

Cam Tolnai was a 1str under and would have gotten a Gold Package. If he plans to play CIS, then I imagine he’d maintain his Gold Package.
 
OMG67 said:
Yes. All OA’s negotiate a new contract. BUT. Typically, my understanding is the OA’s that had a Gold Package usually keep them. The OA’s that don’t have that package typically don’t get them unless they are significantly impactful. I think it is pretty rare that an OA backs into a Gold Package. Most of them are already taking classes on the dole of the teams anyway. By the time they finish their OA season the ones that care about education have at least one year completed online. That may impact their negotiation.

Cam Tolnai was a 1str under and would have gotten a Gold Package. If he plans to play CIS, then I imagine he’d maintain his Gold Package.
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He absolutely keeps his gold education package. It just doesn’t count against the allotted amount for the ‘67s after four years.
NB at one point had three 1st round picked OAs, none of which had yet signed an ELC; and, none counted against the allotted gold packages
 
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dirty12 said:
He absolutely keeps his gold education package. It just doesn’t count against the allotted amount for the ‘67s after four years.
NB at one point had three 1st round picked OAs, none of which had yet signed an ELC; and, none counted against the allotted gold packages
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Sweet. I wasn’t aware the OA’s didn’t count towards the Gold Packages. That makes it even more of a reason to go after OA’s to fill gaps on the top end of the roster if possible.

I am assuming at least Stonehouse has a Gold Package as well as the other 1st rounders. But I don’t know that for sure. If Tolnai doesn’t count then it makes it easier.
 
What’s with the Subscription Package? $40/month for the General Admission tickets? Basically less than half price compared to full season tickets? How does that sell Full Season tickets? As far as I acan tell, you get a printing of all your tickets for the month so it’s assigned seating but could be random seats on the short side of the rink. Am I missing something?
 
OMG67 said:
What’s with the Subscription Package? $40/month for the General Admission tickets? Basically less than half price compared to full season tickets? How does that sell Full Season tickets? As far as I acan tell, you get a printing of all your tickets for the month so it’s assigned seating but could be random seats on the short side of the rink. Am I missing something?
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Hahaha! Are you making a comeback to the live games?
 
NoQuit67s said:
Hahaha! Are you making a comeback to the live games?
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Nope. I won’t step foot on the Lansdowne complex until OSEG is gone. I was just surprised they were essentially selling season tickets at less than half price on the low side.
 
Jack Beck sent back by Calgary.

67's tied with Kingston in 2nd Ethan Quick with 67's goal

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I guess it is prediction time! Who stays? Who goes? Will there be a trade before the puck drops on the OHL Season Thursday? I can’t remember a start to a 67’s season that had so many question marks on roster decisions.

A few notes and observations:
1> Gardiner got a lot of ice time and responsibility at Centre during the pre-season. It gradually built up and culminated in 24 face-offs today against Kingston. He and Stonehouse have been linemates for almost the entire pre-season. I think it is safe to say that Gardiner will nail down the 3rd centre role to start the season and Stonehouse will flank him on the right side. I think Gerrior will flank him on the left side.
2> We had 15 rostered forwards entering the pre-season but it is safe to say that Laforme is gone. But, Sirman has played exclusively at forward so it looks like he’s the 8th D-Man to start the season and will sub in up front. Is he now considered trade bait? Dunno.
3> Pinelli had a turn at centre to start the pre-season but hasn’t really subbed in there since. It is possible he could get some ice there while Rohrer is injured but I can’t see that being a long term solution. I do feel like Rohrer will play Centre.
4> TJ has looked good beside Tolnai. He’s been effective and that Lin has received a lot of responsible ice time. I’d look at TJ staying beside Tolnai to start the season.
5> Barlas has been given some decent ice at centre. By all accounts, he didn’t look out of place but it does seem like Gardiner has risen above him at centre on the depth chart. I’d pencil Barlas into the 4th line centre role to start the season.
6> This leaves the battle for the remaining slots up front between Dever, Quick, Kelly and Foster. If they keep Sirman as the #8 D-Man/extra Froward then I think once Rohrer is back from injury, it is likely two of those guys will be gone. I think Kelly is the odd man out strictly because of age. He is 16 and can at least start the season in Tier II. I think Foster has some flexibility and can move between wing and centre so he gets a spot. That means there would be a tossup between Dever and Quick. Dever started strong and Quick finished strong. I cant’ pick between them to be honest.
7> Looks like Sawyer and Gill-Shane played well together today. I think they will stick together to start the season. That is, unless one of them gets traded.
8> Smyth played a lot. That suggests they needed to see him. I believe he pretty much only played with Mews and I am not sure Mews is ready. He will be an integral part of the team soon enough but I think he needs a little more time to adjust. He did get 15 shots on goal though. Pretty ambitious.
9> Rohrer is out week to week and I really dont expect him to start the season so I am going to make my best guess on how everything shakes out to start.

Beck - Pinelli - Boucher
TJ - Tolnai - Foster
Gerrior - Gardiner - Stonehouse
Sirman - Barlas - Quick
Dever

Mayich - Matier
Sawyer - GillShane
Smyth - Costantini
Marrelli - Mews

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MacKenzie

This means Kelly and Ewles get sent down to start the season. I’ve approached this as if no one gets traded. But, Dever goes down once Rohrer is back. I struggled a little bit with Marrelli as well but I think practising with the speed ire team in Ottawa is probably better than going to Tier II. Assuming I am right, tough break for Ewles to be honest. He looks good. I wonder if they try to find a landing spot for him if they do decide he doesn't make the squad. He probably deserves the spot over Marrelli but it’s hard to send your first round pick down early.
 
Beck Tolnai Boucher
TJ Gardiner Stonehouse
Pinneli Barlas Kelly/ Dever/ Quick
Sirman Foster Kelly/ Dever/ Quick
Gerrior Kelly/ Dever/ Quick

OMG, I am approaching this from a different perspective. I think looking at the lineups, They will go with Sirman as a forward for 2 reasons
1. place holder for Rohrer onc3e he gets back, then Sirman can move to defence without losing a forward
2. to showcase his abilities. Look at Belanger in Kingston.

The 67s are going to have to make a trade tp get rid of some D. There are just too many but I think they are going to have to see who other teams want.

I agree the kid getting screwed possibly is Ewle, but then again, he only played in 2 of 5 games.

Barlas has a decent faceoff percentage in training camp.
The first line has to come out and be decisive to start the season Tolnai played with them last year, and it was good.

Until Rohrer gets back, i see the lineup at the center being these 4 players.

If these guys show they have what it takes, then Rohrer, depending on the NHL to some degree, can be moved to wing and leave them an extra center if they need him or if these 4 are not, then he simply gets put into the mix at either 1st or 2nd center

I agree with you about Kelly/ Dever/ Quick. There is a toss-up. I would keep them until Rohrer gets back or all the dust settles. If the 67's trade for another forward, then I see 1 of them possibly in the package or being sent down.
 
looking at the west only one team has an abundance of OA and that is Flint.

Would Panwar be an OA that we could use as a center? If not I think we are going to be trading for picks or trading in our own conference.
 
By some accounts TJ has been our best player in camp. Would be great if we got a breakout year from him...25/30 goals as would really help our offense. I kind of thought he might be an odd man out before the season due to the numbers but I'm glad he's showing well, always liked him. Lost year really hurt him and then last year inconsistency/ injuries, we'll see if he can become a factor.
 
sirius67fan said:
By some accounts TJ has been our best player in camp. Would be great if we got a breakout year from him...25/30 goals as would really help our offense. I kind of thought he might be an odd man out before the season due to the numbers but I'm glad he's showing well, always liked him. Lost year really hurt him and then last year inconsistency/ injuries, we'll see if he can become a factor.
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I think last year was all injury and adjusting to not having a centre to play with early on. On the back side of the season, he had a more consistent centre to play with and you could see him gaining momentum.

I think he will look good beside Tolnai.

The challenge right now is going to be how long Rohrer is out. I’m not sure if he has a broken jaw or cheek but it sounds more like a 6 week injury. He’d likely miss at least the first two weeks and as many as four.

I’m curious about what happens this week. They’ll either make a deal or two or they will send guys down. They have 24 skaters (assuming Laforme is gone) and need to get that down to 21. With Rohrer out and a couple guys still in NHL camps, they can delay that a bit but I would expect we’ll have a decent picture come Friday night.
 
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OMG67 said:
I think last year was all injury and adjusting to not having a centre to play with early on. On the back side of the season, he had a more consistent centre to play with and you could see him gaining momentum.

I think he will look good beside Tolnai.

The challenge right now is going to be how long Rohrer is out. I’m not sure if he has a broken jaw or cheek but it sounds more like a 6 week injury. He’d likely miss at least the first two weeks and as many as four.

I’m curious about what happens this week. They’ll either make a deal or two or they will send guys down. They have 24 skaters (assuming Laforme is gone) and need to get that down to 21. With Rohrer out and a couple guys still in NHL camps, they can delay that a bit but I would expect we’ll have a decent picture come Friday night. Not sure about Laforme as he keft the first pre season game with injury so he might be injured and not out of the picture. Fwiw he's still on the roster. And agree there must be moves before friday, we'll see.
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Oops added my response to your post ...sorry
 
OMG67 said:
I guess it is prediction time! Who stays? Who goes? Will there be a trade before the puck drops on the OHL Season Thursday? I can’t remember a start to a 67’s season that had so many question marks on roster decisions.

A few notes and observations:
1> Gardiner got a lot of ice time and responsibility at Centre during the pre-season. It gradually built up and culminated in 24 face-offs today against Kingston. He and Stonehouse have been linemates for almost the entire pre-season. I think it is safe to say that Gardiner will nail down the 3rd centre role to start the season and Stonehouse will flank him on the right side. I think Gerrior will flank him on the left side.
2> We had 15 rostered forwards entering the pre-season but it is safe to say that Laforme is gone. But, Sirman has played exclusively at forward so it looks like he’s the 8th D-Man to start the season and will sub in up front. Is he now considered trade bait? Dunno.
3> Pinelli had a turn at centre to start the pre-season but hasn’t really subbed in there since. It is possible he could get some ice there while Rohrer is injured but I can’t see that being a long term solution. I do feel like Rohrer will play Centre.
4> TJ has looked good beside Tolnai. He’s been effective and that Lin has received a lot of responsible ice time. I’d look at TJ staying beside Tolnai to start the season.
5> Barlas has been given some decent ice at centre. By all accounts, he didn’t look out of place but it does seem like Gardiner has risen above him at centre on the depth chart. I’d pencil Barlas into the 4th line centre role to start the season.
6> This leaves the battle for the remaining slots up front between Dever, Quick, Kelly and Foster. If they keep Sirman as the #8 D-Man/extra Froward then I think once Rohrer is back from injury, it is likely two of those guys will be gone. I think Kelly is the odd man out strictly because of age. He is 16 and can at least start the season in Tier II. I think Foster has some flexibility and can move between wing and centre so he gets a spot. That means there would be a tossup between Dever and Quick. Dever started strong and Quick finished strong. I cant’ pick between them to be honest.
7> Looks like Sawyer and Gill-Shane played well together today. I think they will stick together to start the season. That is, unless one of them gets traded.
8> Smyth played a lot. That suggests they needed to see him. I believe he pretty much only played with Mews and I am not sure Mews is ready. He will be an integral part of the team soon enough but I think he needs a little more time to adjust. He did get 15 shots on goal though. Pretty ambitious.
9> Rohrer is out week to week and I really dont expect him to start the season so I am going to make my best guess on how everything shakes out to start.

Beck - Pinelli - Boucher
TJ - Tolnai - Foster
Gerrior - Gardiner - Stonehouse
Sirman - Barlas - Quick
Dever

Mayich - Matier
Sawyer - GillShane
Smyth - Costantini
Marrelli - Mews

Donoso
MacKenzie

This means Kelly and Ewles get sent down to start the season. I’ve approached this as if no one gets traded. But, Dever goes down once Rohrer is back. I struggled a little bit with Marrelli as well but I think practising with the speed ire team in Ottawa is probably better than going to Tier II. Assuming I am right, tough break for Ewles to be honest. He looks good. I wonder if they try to find a landing spot for him if they do decide he doesn't make the squad. He probably deserves the spot over Marrelli but it’s hard to send your first round pick down early.
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Let's not forget that Kingston is projected to be among the worst in the east this year, players should have looked good. Gardiner, Stonehouse, Pinelli all continue to look like good 3rd line players. TJ looked like the top 6 player he is this weekend - Beck, Boucher and Rohrer will be there as well when they return. They have a week to get a few other things sorted out, Costantini may be the odd man out on D; Sawyer and Gill-shane demonstrated they were at least equivalent, and Ewles/Mews can jointly fill the 3rd pair RD spot beside Smyth which is what I believe they were testing out yesterday. If they aren't working Ewles into a RD position, then he should be traded. FWIW Mews and Marrelli would likely benefit from some time in Jr.A but that isn't the way things work with 1st rounders in the OHL, and it will force them to do something with Sirman. I've never liked using a D on forward, it something that is counterproductive to defensemen development IMO. They got a return for Belanger but his game as a defender was impacted.
All still revolves around getting a 1st line quality centre and what the cost is and going from there for Ottawa.
 
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No way Constantini is the odd man out unless we get two new solid OAs...

Does anyone remember what it cost us to get Garreffa as an OA in the beginning of the 2019-20 season?
I know he wasn't a centre, but I don't think we needed one that season... That was an impact acquisition that put that 67s team over the top a league front runner...
 
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NoQuit67s said:
No way Constantini is the odd man out unless we get two new solid OAs...

Does anyone remember what it cost us to get Garreffa as an OA in the beginning of the 2019-20 season?
I know he wasn't a centre, but I don't think we needed one that season... That was an impact acquisition that put that 67s team over the top a league front runner...
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Garrefa costs 3 thirds if I remember correctly.
 
NoQuit67s said:
No way Constantini is the odd man out unless we get two new solid OAs...

Does anyone remember what it cost us to get Garreffa as an OA in the beginning of the 2019-20 season?
I know he wasn't a centre, but I don't think we needed one that season... That was an impact acquisition that put that 67s team over the top a league front runner...
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As far as Costantini goes, something has to give, or they will have a problem. They can try to trade one of the others but based on the market right now, I'm not sure the return will be what anyone is expecting.

Garreffa was traded for three 3rd round picks, the situation was also a little different in that he was returned in mid October, Kitchener and many teams already had their OA's so he had to be dealt or released in a very short window.
 
8> Smyth played a lot. That suggests they needed to see him. I believe he pretty much only played with Mews and I am not sure Mews is ready. He will be an integral part of the team soon enough but I think he needs a little more time to adjust. He did get 15 shots on goal though. Pretty ambitious.

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