Ottawa 67's 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)

[OMG67]

Barberpole…

I haven’t really taken the time to review other teams next year so it is tough for me to assess exactly where the 67’s stand going into next season but let’s take a look a t a projected lineup going into next season. There are a couple assumptions though.

1> Beck returning is still not more than 50/50 but for arguments sake, I will include him as an OA. I think when he returns this season, if he plays without injury and the 67’s make a deep run, he wil lbe an integral part of that run and I think that window will be enough for Calgary to sign him and pull him into the AHL. But, that is a best case scenario.
2> We are not going to trade any existing roster players through the deadline.

Pinelli - Rohrer - Beck (OA)
Stonehouse - Gardiner - Gerrior
Barlas - IMPORT - Foster
Quick - Dever - Kelly (I doubt all three end up on roster Next season which is why I think one of Dever or Quick can be traded at the deadline)

Mayich - Mews
Sirman - Ewles
Smyth -
Marrelli

Donoso (OA)
MacKenzie

NOTE: If we trade for Morrison or similar type player ONLY, then we likely have one of the two high 2nds next year plus our first pick.

Ryder Dagenais (2022 7th) is currently playing at Shattuck st Mary’s. He’d be a great addition if they can get him signed but I highly doubt that will happen. The 67’s have a few other NCAA projected players they could potentially entice but it is unlikely. So, at this point, I don’t see any additional 2022 draft players joining the fold for next season.

So, looking at the depth chart it isn’t jsut about number of players returning, it is also the impact of the players returning. To me, the key component in all fo that is Jack Beck. If Beck returns, it gives Ottawa a bonafide top flight first line. I think Gardiner has shown enough this year that he should continue to take steps forward and be a solid 2nd centre. The depth on the wings is good enough to cover his flanks for sure. The questions start to creep in at 3rd line. Can we snag an Import centre? Likely it will be a 17 year old so what sort of impact can be expected?

We are still short at centre next season. But, we will have an open OA spot.

The defense should be fine for a competitive team. Is it good enough for a championship calibre team? Doubtful.

I don’t think we are poised for the same sort of development jump next season that we saw this season. I don’t think the pieces are there to realize that unless a player like Dagenais signs.

Personally, I think next year is a reset year. We will be good enough to compete but none of our 19 year olds would be worthy of a 2023 1st as compensation for trade so I doubt they would sell. I doubt they would buy. That probably puts them in that 4th place spot give or take. It is tough to say without having a stronger handle on the other teams.

 

[OHL4Life]

Barberpole…

I haven’t really taken the time to review other teams next year so it is tough for me to assess exactly where the 67’s stand going into next season but let’s take a look a t a projected lineup going into next season. There are a couple assumptions though.

1> Beck returning is still not more than 50/50 but for arguments sake, I will include him as an OA. I think when he returns this season, if he plays without injury and the 67’s make a deep run, he wil lbe an integral part of that run and I think that window will be enough for Calgary to sign him and pull him into the AHL. But, that is a best case scenario.
2> We are not going to trade any existing roster players through the deadline.

Pinelli - Rohrer - Beck (OA)
Stonehouse - Gardiner - Gerrior
Barlas - IMPORT - Foster
Quick - Dever - Kelly (I doubt all three end up on roster Next season which is why I think one of Dever or Quick can be traded at the deadline)

Mayich - Mews
Sirman - Ewles
Smyth -
Marrelli

Donoso (OA)
MacKenzie

NOTE: If we trade for Morrison or similar type player ONLY, then we likely have one of the two high 2nds next year plus our first pick.

Ryder Dagenais (2022 7th) is currently playing at Shattuck st Mary’s. He’d be a great addition if they can get him signed but I highly doubt that will happen. The 67’s have a few other NCAA projected players they could potentially entice but it is unlikely. So, at this point, I don’t see any additional 2022 draft players joining the fold for next season.

So, looking at the depth chart it isn’t jsut about number of players returning, it is also the impact of the players returning. To me, the key component in all fo that is Jack Beck. If Beck returns, it gives Ottawa a bonafide top flight first line. I think Gardiner has shown enough this year that he should continue to take steps forward and be a solid 2nd centre. The depth on the wings is good enough to cover his flanks for sure. The questions start to creep in at 3rd line. Can we snag an Import centre? Likely it will be a 17 year old so what sort of impact can be expected?

We are still short at centre next season. But, we will have an open OA spot.

The defense should be fine for a competitive team. Is it good enough for a championship calibre team? Doubtful.

I don’t think we are poised for the same sort of development jump next season that we saw this season. I don’t think the pieces are there to realize that unless a player like Dagenais signs.

Personally, I think next year is a reset year. We will be good enough to compete but none of our 19 year olds would be worthy of a 2023 1st as compensation for trade so I doubt they would sell. I doubt they would buy. That probably puts them in that 4th place spot give or take. It is tough to say without having a stronger handle on the other teams.

its interesting, at the start of the season i would bet that the 67s wouldnt have thought hey would be a buyer. they almost have to be now.

 

[OMG67]

its interesting, at the start of the season i would bet that the 67s wouldnt have thought hey would be a buyer. they almost have to be now.

I had the 67’s as buyers for three reasons:

1> I felt they were right there with Barrie, Mississauga, Peterborough and North Bay coming into he season. I had some heated discussion about it int he predictions thread. They had a horrible stretch of injuries last season but outside of that stretch of injuries, they played really well for such a young team. They skated really well and had all the other elements of a solid team: good coaching, solid development support and a franchise invested in development.
2> They were returning a full lineup. Many would point to the poor results last season and suggest it doesn't matter if they were returning a full lineup. They sucked so they return a sucky lineup. But, they were young and had deep injury issues In the middle of the season. They started last season inside the CHL Top 10 rankings after a solid first couple weeks. Then Rohrer took a long suspension, Beck was injured long term and it all snowballed from there. They had a strong finish and showed well in a four game sweep to North Bay.
3> Deep draft cupboard. Loads of assets to draw from.

Did I think they’d be where they are? Hell no. I thought they needed to add the OA centre right away. I didn’t predict Gardiner and Foster to break out to the level they have. I expected to see significant improvement but no way I thought they’d be contributors at this level. But the rest had it in them and you could see it last year.

I thought the top 5 (Ottawa, Barrie, Mississauga, NorthBay and Peterborough) would all be within 10 points of each other when the calendar flipped to January 1 going into the deadline. I didn’t think any of them would break from the pack. That’s where I was dead wrong. I believed too much in the Barrie hype and I overestimated Mississauga. I still think North Bay and Peterborough are really strong though and even though Ottawa is ahead in the standings, I have sort of grouped those three together in a “pick’em” situation.

 

[PuckStop75]

I think we are at a point where if Matier goes down, it is just bad luck.

To me, the issue is centre ice. They only have three capable centres. The third one is essentially a rookie in Gardiner playing his first season in a role other than 4th line marginal minutes. That isn’t enough.

Their strength on defence is actually their forwards that are mostly very responsible.

Since I don’t think we can add a D-Man capable of replacing Matier at both ends of the ice, I’m not sure replacing one of Sirman or Smyth creates an impact worthy of shifting our assets. It doesn’t mean I disagree with your assessment. I actually agree. Im just not sure what type of trade makes sense in that regard. And it only makes total sense if Matier ends up going down. If he goes down, we are in trouble no matter how you look at it. In that, I think we can all agree.

We both agree on the centre, and the importance of Matier, no amount of preparation will compensate for losing the teams best defensemen.

I don't look at it from the perspective of if Matier goes down, what I see is if Mayich goes down Sirman is the top pairing LD and Smyth 2nd pairing - not good, if Sirman goes down Smyth is 2nd Pairing LD - not good, if Costantini goes down Sirman/Smyth is playing 2nd pairing with Ewles or Mews - not good. These are all situations they get away with in moderation during the regular season, it won't fly in the playoffs.

Thats a depth situation they can address with a very average 2nd line defender, and if they wanted to swing for the fences and get another Mayich quality defender it makes things even better and really shouldn't cost them significantly. Who exacty? that's where Boyd and his scouting staff should have an eye on who might be available.

 

[PuckStop75]

I had the 67’s as buyers for three reasons:

1> I felt they were right there with Barrie, Mississauga, Peterborough and North Bay coming into he season. I had some heated discussion about it int he predictions thread. They had a horrible stretch of injuries last season but outside of that stretch of injuries, they played really well for such a young team. They skated really well and had all the other elements of a solid team: good coaching, solid development support and a franchise invested in development.
2> They were returning a full lineup. Many would point to the poor results last season and suggest it doesn't matter if they were returning a full lineup. They sucked so they return a sucky lineup. But, they were young and had deep injury issues In the middle of the season. They started last season inside the CHL Top 10 rankings after a solid first couple weeks. Then Rohrer took a long suspension, Beck was injured long term and it all snowballed from there. They had a strong finish and showed well in a four game sweep to North Bay.
3> Deep draft cupboard. Loads of assets to draw from.

Did I think they’d be where they are? Hell no. I thought they needed to add the OA centre right away. I didn’t predict Gardiner and Foster to break out to the level they have. I expected to see significant improvement but no way I thought they’d be contributors at this level. But the rest had it in them and you could see it last year.

I thought the top 5 (Ottawa, Barrie, Mississauga, NorthBay and Peterborough) would all be within 10 points of each other when the calendar flipped to January 1 going into the deadline. I didn’t think any of them would break from the pack. That’s where I was dead wrong. I believed too much in the Barrie hype and I overestimated Mississauga. I still think North Bay and Peterborough are really strong though and even though Ottawa is ahead in the standings, I have sort of grouped those three together in a “pick’em” situation.

I doubt even Boyd thought the team was as good as it is. They have proven everyone wrong. The challenge now is not getting complacent with who and what they are. Every team can improve!

 

[44 95 plus tax]

For pretty much the rest of the regular season, you can take Smyth out of the equation for depth at defense. He won't be back for at least a couple of months if not more. That leaves a top 4 of Mayich, Matier, Sirman and Constantini, with a 17 year old and two 16 year old rookies to make up the bottom pairing. I think it is pretty essential that along with whatever they decide on the forwards, that they pick up a veteran D. I think Morrison, Leyton Moore and another big tough forward would be doable with out giving up one of Mews/Marrelli.

3 game suspension for MacKenzie. Ottawa will need to find a backup for this weekend.

 

[OHL4Life]

I had the 67’s as buyers for three reasons:

1> I felt they were right there with Barrie, Mississauga, Peterborough and North Bay coming into he season. I had some heated discussion about it int he predictions thread. They had a horrible stretch of injuries last season but outside of that stretch of injuries, they played really well for such a young team. They skated really well and had all the other elements of a solid team: good coaching, solid development support and a franchise invested in development.
2> They were returning a full lineup. Many would point to the poor results last season and suggest it doesn't matter if they were returning a full lineup. They sucked so they return a sucky lineup. But, they were young and had deep injury issues In the middle of the season. They started last season inside the CHL Top 10 rankings after a solid first couple weeks. Then Rohrer took a long suspension, Beck was injured long term and it all snowballed from there. They had a strong finish and showed well in a four game sweep to North Bay.
3> Deep draft cupboard. Loads of assets to draw from.

Did I think they’d be where they are? Hell no. I thought they needed to add the OA centre right away. I didn’t predict Gardiner and Foster to break out to the level they have. I expected to see significant improvement but no way I thought they’d be contributors at this level. But the rest had it in them and you could see it last year.

I thought the top 5 (Ottawa, Barrie, Mississauga, NorthBay and Peterborough) would all be within 10 points of each other when the calendar flipped to January 1 going into the deadline. I didn’t think any of them would break from the pack. That’s where I was dead wrong. I believed too much in the Barrie hype and I overestimated Mississauga. I still think North Bay and Peterborough are really strong though and even though Ottawa is ahead in the standings, I have sort of grouped those three together in a “pick’em” situation.

100 percent i remember you battling with dirty12 over it. thus far your bang on. interesting to see what ottawa does.

 

[OMG67]

We both agree on the centre, and the importance of Matier, no amount of preparation will compensate for losing the teams best defensemen.

I don't look at it from the perspective of if Matier goes down, what I see is if Mayich goes down Sirman is the top pairing LD and Smyth 2nd pairing - not good, if Sirman goes down Smyth is 2nd Pairing LD - not good, if Costantini goes down Sirman/Smyth is playing 2nd pairing with Ewles or Mews - not good. These are all situations they get away with in moderation during the regular season, it won't fly in the playoffs.

Thats a depth situation they can address with a very average 2nd line defender, and if they wanted to swing for the fences and get another Mayich quality defender it makes things even better and really shouldn't cost them significantly. Who exacty? that's where Boyd and his scouting staff should have an eye on who might be available.

I see your point. But, the issue is if you acquire one of those Left D, who sits? I guess the answer isn’t all that important to be honest but the reality is someone is sitting while another player is playing and the player that is sitting provides no value unless/until someone is injured. The question becomes whether the cost to acquire that player is worth it because it deletes someone from your lineup.

Acquiring the 2nd forward deletes a player like Kelly or Dever From the lineup.

This is why I had mentioned previously that if the 67’s were to acquire a D-Man, they may as well go big because if they need to sit one of their current top 6, it should be for a player that is elite.

The other thing to consider is the playoffs don’t have back to back nights. So, if they find themselves overmatched at all, it isn’t uncommon to go to a 5 man rotation on the back end. Things get a little hairy in OT games but that is a plan B should it be necessary.

I think you and I are on the same page though when it comes to risk mitigation. We need a Centre and may as well use our OA spot. The rest of the acquisitions are based on mitigating risk of injury or lack of performance based on the volume of youth on the team. I’m more than comfortable adding a player like Morrison and suggest we have no gaps. But, we do have gaps when injuries occur. Our gap fillers are rookies and inexperienced young players. Boyd will need to determine the extend by which he is comfortable with replacement options.

 

[OMG67]

For pretty much the rest of the regular season, you can take Smyth out of the equation for depth at defense. He won't be back for at least a couple of months if not more. That leaves a top 4 of Mayich, Matier, Sirman and Constantini, with a 17 year old and two 16 year old rookies to make up the bottom pairing. I think it is pretty essential that along with whatever they decide on the forwards, that they pick up a veteran D. I think Morrison, Leyton Moore and another big tough forward would be doable with out giving up one of Mews/Marrelli.

3 game suspension for MacKenzie. Ottawa will need to find a backup for this weekend.

Great point. The only issue is they can’t add Morrison And Moore. Both are OA’s.

If we are unable to get Morrison, the Harrison/Moore combo is my next best option. I really like Harrison a lot. Moore has been solid when I’ve seen him play. He can be a #1 guy. To be honest, this option is probably better for the team but it would be much more costly than Morrison.

If we acquire Morrison, I still REALLY want Harrison. I love the kids drive. Good motor. He can skate a bit too. If he were to ride shotgun with Morrison, look out. They would make a great 1-2 punch on a line together. It almost wouldn’t matter who lines up beside them. But, I’d love to see Stonehouse with them.

Maybe a Harrison/Parfenyuk deal would work? PArfenyuk is a lefty Import. Big kid. Iwill need to watch a couple Gens games to see if he’d fit in but on the surface, it would be great.

Add:
Morrison
Harrison
Parfenyuk

Off to the races!

 

[PuckStop75]

Great point. The only issue is they can’t add Morrison And Moore. Both are OA’s.

If we are unable to get Morrison, the Harrison/Moore combo is my next best option. I really like Harrison a lot. Moore has been solid when I’ve seen him play. He can be a #1 guy. To be honest, this option is probably better for the team but it would be much more costly than Morrison.

If we acquire Morrison, I still REALLY want Harrison. I love the kids drive. Good motor. He can skate a bit too. If he were to ride shotgun with Morrison, look out. They would make a great 1-2 punch on a line together. It almost wouldn’t matter who lines up beside them. But, I’d love to see Stonehouse with them.

Maybe a Harrison/Parfenyuk deal would work? PArfenyuk is a lefty Import. Big kid. Iwill need to watch a couple Gens games to see if he’d fit in but on the surface, it would be great.

Add:
Morrison
Harrison
Parfenyuk

Off to the races!

Harrison would be a great pick-up and honestly fits the system beautifully. Another Import D option would be Grushnikov in Hamilton, a little steadier than Parfenyuk and a shot blocking machine, plus he would bring the Championship pedigree.

 

[OMG67]

Harrison would be a great pick-up and honestly fits the system beautifully. Another Import D option would be Grushnikov in Hamilton, a little steadier than Parfenyuk and a shot blocking machine, plus he would bring the Championship pedigree.

Do you have a Bat Phone to Boyd’s office?

 

[PuckStop75]

Do you have a Bat Phone to Boyd’s office?

not yet but I'm working on it

 

[OHL4Life]

Great point. The only issue is they can’t add Morrison And Moore. Both are OA’s.

If we are unable to get Morrison, the Harrison/Moore combo is my next best option. I really like Harrison a lot. Moore has been solid when I’ve seen him play. He can be a #1 guy. To be honest, this option is probably better for the team but it would be much more costly than Morrison.

If we acquire Morrison, I still REALLY want Harrison. I love the kids drive. Good motor. He can skate a bit too. If he were to ride shotgun with Morrison, look out. They would make a great 1-2 punch on a line together. It almost wouldn’t matter who lines up beside them. But, I’d love to see Stonehouse with them.

Maybe a Harrison/Parfenyuk deal would work? PArfenyuk is a lefty Import. Big kid. Iwill need to watch a couple Gens games to see if he’d fit in but on the surface, it would be great.

Add:
Morrison
Harrison
Parfenyuk

Off to the races!

i heard flint went hard on harrison and oshawa turned it down, they want an 06 if and when they move him.

 

[ohloutsider]

I see your point. But, the issue is if you acquire one of those Left D, who sits? I guess the answer isn’t all that important to be honest but the reality is someone is sitting while another player is playing and the player that is sitting provides no value unless/until someone is injured. The question becomes whether the cost to acquire that player is worth it because it deletes someone from your lineup.

Acquiring the 2nd forward deletes a player like Kelly or Dever From the lineup.

This is why I had mentioned previously that if the 67’s were to acquire a D-Man, they may as well go big because if they need to sit one of their current top 6, it should be for a player that is elite.

The other thing to consider is the playoffs don’t have back to back nights. So, if they find themselves overmatched at all, it isn’t uncommon to go to a 5 man rotation on the back end. Things get a little hairy in OT games but that is a plan B should it be necessary.

I think you and I are on the same page though when it comes to risk mitigation. We need a Centre and may as well use our OA spot. The rest of the acquisitions are based on mitigating risk of injury or lack of performance based on the volume of youth on the team. I’m more than comfortable adding a player like Morrison and suggest we have no gaps. But, we do have gaps when injuries occur. Our gap fillers are rookies and inexperienced young players. Boyd will need to determine the extend by which he is comfortable with replacement options.

Playoffs quite often have back to back nights. Usually they will jam the back end the schedule to finish up on time but only usually happens when series goes 7.

 

[OMG67]

i heard flint went hard on harrison and oshawa turned it down, they want an 06 if and when they move him.

I don’t see an ‘06 being viable for his services. We’ll have to wait and see if they shift closer to the deadline.

I’m not sure any of the current 19 year olds warrant an ‘06 1st. That is usually reserved for the high elite players like MacT or two year players like Stillman.

I don’t see a MacT available. Maybe if Wright comes back.

 

[PuckStop75]

I don’t see an ‘06 being viable for his services. We’ll have to wait and see if they shift closer to the deadline.

I’m not sure any of the current 19 year olds warrant an ‘06 1st. That is usually reserved for the high elite players like MacT or two year players like Stillman.

I don’t see a MacT available. Maybe if Wright comes back.

Took the words right out of my mouth.... then I realized that the Petes are sitting there with VanVolsen and enough picks to make one deal. It will hurt them both to trade with each other, but each has what the other wants and a limited market of teams who will make an 06 available. Petes are pot committed at this point and would probably like to add a D, but if they can get a centre to play with Othman then they may think it is enough.

 

[Generalsupdates]

i heard flint went hard on harrison and oshawa turned it down, they want an 06 if and when they move him.

A Pitre (Flint's '06 first rounder) family member is my most recent follower on twitter, I'm sure that's just a coincidence though. Unless it's not?

 

[OHL4Life]

I don’t see an ‘06 being viable for his services. We’ll have to wait and see if they shift closer to the deadline.

I’m not sure any of the current 19 year olds warrant an ‘06 1st. That is usually reserved for the high elite players like MacT or two year players like Stillman.

I don’t see a MacT available. Maybe if Wright comes back.

dont think your wrong, wright would be the one, some teams may if they can get an 04 who would be around for a year and a half

A Pitre (Flint's '06 first rounder) family member is my most recent follower on twitter, I'm sure that's just a coincidence though. Unless it's not?

dont know about that one, they probably have to move both and the 04 is a pretty solid player for them. maybe a deal in jan and then a second deal in the summer for the 04.

 

[Generalsupdates]

dont know about that one, they probably have to move both and the 04 is a pretty solid player for them. maybe a deal in jan and then a second deal in the summer for the 04.

Why would they have to move both?

 

[OMG67]

Why would they have to move both?

They are a package deal like the Sedins.

 

[Generalsupdates]

Took the words right out of my mouth.... then I realized that the Petes are sitting there with VanVolsen and enough picks to make one deal. It will hurt them both to trade with each other, but each has what the other wants and a limited market of teams who will make an 06 available. Petes are pot committed at this point and would probably like to add a D, but if they can get a centre to play with Othman then they may think it is enough.

I've been saying it all along and it won't happen for the obvious reasons but Van Volsen for Harrison+Moore makes the most sense for both teams. Last time the Gens got a rookie first rounder they did a very similar thing packaging Studnicka+Brassard for Lleyton Moore (then beat Studnicka/Brassard and Niagara out in the playoffs that year) But yea, it won't happen

They are a package deal like the Sedins.

Or do we just assume they're a package deal like the Christopolous' and now one is in Windsor? Haha

 

[OMG67]

I've been saying it all along and it won't happen for the obvious reasons but Van Volsen for Harrison+Moore makes the most sense for both teams. But yea, it won't happen


Or do we just assume they're a package deal like the Christopolous' and now one is in Windsor? Haha

It is tough to say really. The one that needs to move has full no trade. They can use that hammer any way they want.

Package deals for an ‘06 only make sense when there are no other reasonable assets available to move. The Petes may very well be in that situation right now. They may need to move VanVolsen if they want an elite player because they lack the quality of picks needed and other players either don’t move the needle from a trade value perspective or the other player options are too integral to the Petes right now.

For example. If Ottawa wants to make a deal, which players are they dangling? Most likely Ewles, Dever and Quick. Other teams want Mews and Marrelli. 67s don’t want to move the ‘06s. Teams Don’t want any of the other three. Where do they shift? Foster, Gardiner and Barlas? Foster and Gardiner are playing a significant role. If you trade them, you need to replace them! So, in those situations, the ‘06 can become the necessary piece because the other options aren’t as favourable for the buying team.

In that type of situation, I could see an ‘06 move when it isn’t warranted.

 

[Generalsupdates]

It is tough to say really. The one that needs to move has full no trade. They can use that hammer any way they want.

Package deals for an ‘06 only make sense when there are no other reasonable assets available to move. The Petes may very well be in that situation right now. They may need to move VanVolsen if they want an elite player because they lack the quality of picks needed and other players either don’t move the needle from a trade value perspective or the other player options are too integral to the Petes right now.

For example. If Ottawa wants to make a deal, which players are they dangling? Most likely Ewles, Dever and Quick. Other teams want Mews and Marrelli. 67s don’t want to move the ‘06s. Teams Don’t want any of the other three. Where do they shift? Foster, Gardiner and Barlas? Foster and Gardiner are playing a significant role. If you trade them, you need to replace them! So, in those situations, the ‘06 can become the necessary piece because the other options aren’t as favourable for the buying team.

In that type of situation, I could see an ‘06 move when it isn’t warranted.

It's more about a bidding war than what a team has to offer. If (for arguments sake) PBO, OTT and NB all want Harrison/Arcuri/whoever and the Gens/Fronts say okay he's going to cost an '06. OTT could have the best 05s ever available for trade but if NB says okay we'll give you Proczyzn, well then either OTT needs to offer up Marrelli or they're not getting him. The team who has the player holds all the cards, assuming they have multiple teams interested in their player and 1 team who's willing to meet their ask

 

[OMG67]

It's more about a bidding war than what a team has to offer. If (for arguments sake) PBO, OTT and NB all want Harrison/Arcuri/whoever and the Gens/Fronts say okay he's going to cost an '06. OTT could have the best 05s ever available for trade but if NB says okay we'll give you Proczyzn, well then either OTT needs to offer up Marrelli or they're not getting him. The team who has the player holds all the cards, assuming they have multiple teams interested in their player and 1 team who's willing to meet their ask

It only works when the budding war happens. It there are other options, teams move on before it gets there.

That is exactly what happened in 2019 with Guelph and Suzuki. Guelph got him for a heavy discount because OS held out for the big pay day and they got stuffed because teams walked away and decided to make other deals. So, at some point if no teams are willing to give XXX then they have to make a decision on what do to. All it takes is one of the bidding teams to give up and as an alternate deal and the bidding stops and the bids get lower because the market changed.


EDIT:
Since the market did change and I made the assertion Suzuki was traded for pennies on the dollar, I should outline the trade in case others dont’ remember…

Owen Sound received:
Zach Poirier (OA - cast off)
Barret Kirwin (19y/o former 6th rounder - decent point producer the following year)
Mark Woolley (17 y/o 3rd round pick)
2nd
3rd
4th
conditional 3rd

Guelph received:
Nick Suzuki
Sean Durzi (OA D-Man… currently with the LA Kings. NHL 2nd rounder by Toronto)
Zach Roberts (19 year old. Played int he playoffs but looks like a 4th liner)

So, for pretty much a ball of soap chips, the Guelph storm received not only Nick Suzuki but they also received Sean Durzi. Woolley and Kirwin would probably equate to Ewles and Gerrior.

So, it would be like trading Ewles and Gerrior and a few picks to Kingston for Wright and Roger.

Moral of the story? Don’t hold out for an unrealistic return too long or you can get burnt quick.

 

[dirty12]

i heard flint went hard on harrison and oshawa turned it down, they want an 06 if and when they move him.

wow. No picks?
Bloom ~= Harrison?