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[Blackhawkswincup]

Bad pitch to swing at by Vaughn

1 pitch pop up , ugh

Come on Robert get the W here

And he strikes out , Hope for better outing from Foster here

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

And its 8-6 Rangers

 

[ChiHawks10]

And Sousa warming up... lol.

f***ing TLR.

f***ing ump. Calls an identical pitch a strike that he called a ball the pitch prior... and Abreu just watches a fastball down the middle.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Ugh he just missed a HR

And Robert out at 3rd after coming off bag

Stupid to run there.. Stupid

White Sox lose

 

[Sarava]

Regardless of how this call turns out, this is just dumb baseball as usual from the Sox. This team gets harder and harder to watch.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Robert runs when he didn't need to. Then comes off the damn bag. Game over.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

And Sousa warming up... lol.

f***ing TLR.

f***ing ump. Calls an identical pitch a strike that he called a ball the pitch prior... and Abreu just watches a fastball down the middle.

The bullpen is bare unless you want him to bring in potentially our closer in that situation which is constantly complained about by posters here when Hendriks comes in under non-close situations

Souza and Crick is what they had left in pen

So frustrating and now we wait to find out how severe the injury to Kopech is and how long he is out

 

[southsideIrish]

Tbf, attendance is always around there until school gets out, right around now. You can't compare to all of last season.

I wasn't comparing to last season, how depressing is that? I was comparing to earlier this season when they were drawing bigger crowds. Pulling in 30k (and it wasn't 30k) for a weekend game in June is pathetic for this market and a division winner. The fans are tired of this.

Losing a series to the Rangers won't help. The Rangers who now have a better record than the Sox.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

TLR said Kopech felt a pop in his right knee

Kopech doesn't believe it's serious during interview and says they expect to take it day by day

 

[SimpleJack]

I’m not saying the entire window is over with this group, but IMO the 2022 season is a lost cause. This team will not “turn things around”, there’s just too much to overcome.

Regroup during the offseason, get a new manager/new leadership, overhaul the strength and conditioning coaches/trainers so that we can start reducing the injury rate(whatever training/rehab/conditioning system we have in place obviously doesn’t work), make some roster upgrades, and go back out there in 2023 with a revamped team.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Cubs really stink.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I’m not saying the entire window is over with this group, but IMO the 2022 season is a lost cause. This team will not “turn things around”, there’s just too much to overcome.

Regroup during the offseason, get a new manager/new leadership, overhaul the strength and conditioning coaches/trainers so that we can start reducing the injury rate(whatever training/rehab/conditioning system we have in place obviously doesn’t work), make some roster upgrades, and go back out there in 2023 with a revamped team.

You can bet your ass Jerry is going to cut payroll this winter.

Anyway, they have a chance to bounce back next year. If they have any excuse to IL Moncada they should do it immediately. Dude isn't this bad, but man is he having a terrible year.

 

[madgoat33]

If i were Hahn, Id be sneakily looking for another job and try to get out of this shitshow. Not every moved worked out, but he built a pretty damn good roster only to get sabotaged by a dumb owner right when the team was ready to compete. Not to mention, i dont think there's any way jerry ever signs the big name FA the sox could really use to put them over the top.

 

[ChiHawks10]

You can bet your ass Jerry is going to cut payroll this winter.

Anyway, they have a chance to bounce back next year. If they have any excuse to IL Moncada they should do it immediately. Dude isn't this bad, but man is he having a terrible year.

I've proven your narrative on this wrong numerous times, so I'm not sure why you continue to act like he won't spend money when he has a quality team. In all of the best years of Sox baseball, he regularly has one of the highest payrolls in baseball. The guy will spend when he thinks it's right to spend...

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I've proven your narrative on this wrong numerous times, so I'm not sure why you continue to act like he won't spend money when he has a quality team. In all of the best years of Sox baseball, he regularly has one of the highest payrolls in baseball. The guy will spend when he thinks it's right to spend...

He spends, but he does so stupidly.

He gave Hahn an allowance this year and Rick spent it on trash like Harrison, Kelly, and Garcia rather than on impact talent. Might as well be lighting that money on fire.

When I talk about Jerry being cheap I'm talking about individual player contracts rather than payroll as a whole.

They are 28th in baseball out of 30 teams in terms of largest contracts signed. Only Pittsburgh and Oakland are behind them.

The extension that Jose Ramirez signed with Cleveland far exceeds Grandal's deal, and Cleveland is notoriously cheap.

The Sox started the season with the 7th highest payroll in baseball.

I'm not complaining about the amount of money they're spending, I'm complaining about HOW they're spending it. It's incredibly inefficient.

 

[IU Hawks fan]

He spends, but he does so stupidly.

He gave Hahn an allowance this year and Rick spent it on trash like Harrison, Kelly, and Garcia rather than on impact talent. Might as well be lighting that money on fire.

When I talk about Jerry being cheap I'm talking about individual player contracts rather than payroll as a whole.

They are 28th in baseball out of 30 teams in terms of largest contracts signed. Only Pittsburgh and Oakland are behind them.

The extension that Jose Ramirez signed with Cleveland far exceeds Grandal's deal, and Cleveland is notoriously cheap.

What impact talent was he going to get on short term deals?

It's very clear he was hamstrung by not being able to out any type of term, as they need 2B & RF to be filled internally to have money to extend Giolito, Anderson, etc.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

What impact talent was he going to get on short term deals?

It's very clear he was hamstrung by not being able to out any type of term, as they need 2B & RF to be filled internally to have money to extend Giolito, Anderson, etc.

Be willing to sign long term deals.

If you want to play, you have to pay.

Championship banners fly forever.

You think Cub fans give a f*** about Heyward? They won a damn WS.

 

[IU Hawks fan]

Be willing to sign long term deals.

If you want to play, you have to pay.

Championship banners fly forever.

You think Cub fans give a f*** about Heyward? They won a damn WS.

Obviously. Tell Uncle Jerry that.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Obviously. Tell Uncle Jerry that.

Rodon was available on a 2 year deal.

 

[IU Hawks fan]

Rodon was available on a 2 year deal.

They didn't trust his health. That ship has sailed.

2B & RF were much bigger needs than another SP.

 

[ChiHawks10]

He spends, but he does so stupidly.

He gave Hahn an allowance this year and Rick spent it on trash like Harrison, Kelly, and Garcia rather than on impact talent. Might as well be lighting that money on fire.

When I talk about Jerry being cheap I'm talking about individual player contracts rather than payroll as a whole.

They are 28th in baseball out of 30 teams in terms of largest contracts signed. Only Pittsburgh and Oakland are behind them.

The extension that Jose Ramirez signed with Cleveland far exceeds Grandal's deal, and Cleveland is notoriously cheap.

The Sox started the season with the 7th highest payroll in baseball.

I'm not complaining about the amount of money they're spending, I'm complaining about HOW they're spending it. It's incredibly inefficient.

There was no way of knowing what Harrison was going to be this year. He's literally having a career worst year. Just like with ANY player you try to bring in on a FA deal, it's a total unknown. The fact that he's having a down year, far below his career norms, is not something you can predict...

Kelly is a fantastic reliever and you call it trash in hindsight, for what? Because of injury? Dude has pitched 5 innings... and you think that's enough to assess him as trash? Lmao.

Garcia is the only one I agree with you on. I've hated him for years, and he has no business on an MLB roster.

Who cares about largest contracts signed? That may be one of the most ridiculous arguments I've seen about the Sox. They aren't paying big enough contracts to people... lol. Why do you care about that? Ever think about the fact that they're saving money to pay their homegrown players the money they deserve? Like TA and Gio?

 

[Sarava]

There was no way of knowing what Harrison was going to be this year. He's literally having a career worst year. Just like with ANY player you try to bring in on a FA deal, it's a total unknown. The fact that he's having a down year, far below his career norms, is not something you can predict...

Kelly is a fantastic reliever and you call it trash in hindsight, for what? Because of injury? Dude has pitched 5 innings... and you think that's enough to assess him as trash? Lmao.

Garcia is the only one I agree with you on. I've hated him for years, and he has no business on an MLB roster.

Who cares about largest contracts signed? That may be one of the most ridiculous arguments I've seen about the Sox. They aren't paying big enough contracts to people... lol. Why do you care about that? Ever think about the fact that they're saving money to pay their homegrown players the money they deserve? Like TA and Gio?

I agree that Kelly is a fantastic reliever, and probably still will be once he's eventually healthy. However, he was signed while already injured. I guess the further question might be, could some of the funds used for Graveman and Kelly of been used for 2B or RF? Especially given the big dollars already invested in Hendriks and to a lesser extent, Bummer. Many teams with a fraction of the dollars committed to their bullpen are getting a far better performance than the Sox are from theirs.

Harrison, I respectfully don't agree with you on that one. But you guys have heard me complain about that signing since it happened. He stunk in Oakland last year. Stunk his other time in the AL (Detroit). And he turns 35 in the middle of this season. Who didn't see regression from signing an aging journeyman coming off a terrible second half? The Sox don't have a good enough offense to accept a solid defensive player that cant hit.

Regarding large signings. The only thing I'd say is, a Manny Machado or Bryce Harper sure would look good in our lineup right now, don't you think? But your never going to land players like that if you don't sign free agents for more than 80 mil, or whatever the Sox top contract currently is. You can save the money for your own guys if that's the route. Unfortunately, at this time, Tim Anderson is the only player we have sniffing superstar status. Remember a few years ago when it looked like we might have 3 or 4? So in this case, I'd probably cut the Sox some slack and agree with you. They probably expected to have some big contracts to sign going forward from homegrown talent, more so than are panning out at least to this point.

To end this long post - the rebuild is not going well this year. We don't need to be acting like it's completely ruined (clears throat...KBS/Jack). But they need to alter the course. Get rid of TLR. Move some of that money from the bullpen to filling holes in the lineup. How about a new hitting coach who doesn't teach guys to hit groundballs constantly? Maybe that's a way of helping Eloy, Robert or Moncada? Hmm.

And finally - there does seem to be some nice surprises in the Sox system developing this season. It's not all terrible. They can fix this and make the rebuild work still.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I agree that Kelly is a fantastic reliever, and probably still will be once he's eventually healthy. However, he was signed while already injured. I guess the further question might be, could some of the funds used for Graveman and Kelly of been used for 2B or RF? Especially given the big dollars already invested in Hendriks and to a lesser extent, Bummer. Many teams with a fraction of the dollars committed to their bullpen are getting a far better performance than the Sox are from theirs.

Harrison, I respectfully don't agree with you on that one. But you guys have heard me complain about that signing since it happened. He stunk in Oakland last year. Stunk his other time in the AL (Detroit). And he turns 35 in the middle of this season. Who didn't see regression from signing an aging journeyman coming off a terrible second half? The Sox don't have a good enough offense to accept a solid defensive player that cant hit.

Regarding large signings. The only thing I'd say is, a Manny Machado or Bryce Harper sure would look good in our lineup right now, don't you think? But your never going to land players like that if you don't sign free agents for more than 80 mil, or whatever the Sox top contract currently is. You can save the money for your own guys if that's the route. Unfortunately, at this time, Tim Anderson is the only player we have sniffing superstar status. Remember a few years ago when it looked like we might have 3 or 4? So in this case, I'd probably cut the Sox some slack and agree with you. They probably expected to have some big contracts to sign going forward from homegrown talent, more so than are panning out at least to this point.

To end this long post - the rebuild is not going well this year. We don't need to be acting like it's completely ruined (clears throat...KBS/Jack). But they need to alter the course. Get rid of TLR. Move some of that money from the bullpen to filling holes in the lineup. How about a new hitting coach who doesn't teach guys to hit groundballs constantly? Maybe that's a way of helping Eloy, Robert or Moncada? Hmm.

And finally - there does seem to be some nice surprises in the Sox system developing this season. It's not all terrible. They can fix this and make the rebuild work still.

This is a very good post.

Now that I'm not super pissed anymore, I don't think the window is completely closed either, but the position players the Sox have depended on to be stars(Robert/Eloy/Moncada/Vaughn) absolutely have to be healthy and better or else their ceiling is getting bounced in the ALDS. A guy or two from that list absolutely has to reach 5+WAR.

I have faith in Kopech continuing to develop into the ace that they need him to be. Cease has an outside chance, but idk if he’s ever going to have the command to be a TOR starter. Giolito has regressed this year and Lynn hasn't pitched yet. I'm not sure I want them to sign Giolito when his stuff has declined considerably and his peripherals are terrible in everything other than swing and miss/K%.

I'm done being angry this year about the underperformance.

 

[Sarava]

You can still talk about signing Giolito. I think, at least for now, any talk of him being a #1 is over. Right now it's more a question of him being a #2 or a #3. They get less money, but still paid very well.

 

[Ben Grimm]

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