MurrayBannerman
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I don't think Dunn moves the needle that much offensively. He's a pretty low IQ PG. And, honestly, Archi has done pretty well at distributing the ball.
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First time I've heard Dunn is a low IQ PG ... especially during his days at Providence. His distribution is fine. It's his shooting that's the major problem. Because his shooting is erratic, he forces passes at times ... which leads to turnovers.
Archie is a decent backup point guard. He makes the right passes. However, he can't create. You can't win consistently without guards creating off the bounce. This is not college basketball. The NBA is a pick & roll / 1v1 league.
MurrayBannerman
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Every time he's brought up on The NBA Show, it's mentioned...
Also, he's not at Providence anymore. That's not who he is as an NBA player.
I'd love to see the "Low IQ" quotes. I'm not saying they didn't say it ... however, I've never heard it attached to Dunn's name.
He is known as a hard worker with great defensive instincts and a student of the game. He is turnover prone due to his aggressiveness / casual pass. However, that's far different from "Low IQ." He's the only player who is willing to get the Bulls in their offensive sets. Why does Archie have a higher basketball IQ? Dunn might be our smartest defensive player. His scouting reports praised his basketball instincts.
Dunn has a lot of flaws ... IMO, basketball IQ isn't one of them. Now if you want to criticize Zach Lavine's IQ with his lack of awareness with difficult shots, feel free. However, Dunn knows how to create for others ... good defensively, and attacks the basket at the end of games (rather than taking fade away jumpers). That's not exactly a dumb player. In fact, he doesn't keep jacking up 3 pointers when it's not falling.
Dunn's biggest issue is his shot. The defense looks far better with Dunn on the court. And if he can limit his turnovers, the offense runs far more smoothly. That doesn't mean Dunn is the answer ... but that doesn't mean he's a dumb player either.
This is a good article on Kris Dunn from Sam Smith.
In His Second Year in the NBA, Kris Dunn is Still a Student of the Game | Chicago Bulls
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some players develop faster than others, ah slow learner, ah bad coaches, ah disharmony on the team....
MurrayBannerman
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I'm not combing through podcast episodes. I know he's been brought up relatively recently, but still.
He's an incredibly high usage guard that -- because of his lack of shooting ability -- cuts to the basket far too often and gets caught in bad situations. It was fine when he was in college because he didn't need that jumper.
Because of all that, you get stuck with stuff like this.
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It's not that Archi is better at all offensively. It's that he's played very well. We're not talking about the long term. We're talking about the rest of this season.
Then you have to add his lack of ability to play off ball to the mix with Lavine on the floor from what we saw last year. That could certainly improve, but I don't think you can expect it.
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Hey, for the basketball fans, I was flipping through the channels on Center Ice and noticed there is a free preview for NBA League Pass, looked it up, runs through the 20th.
I find the concept of basketball iq very overrated. It’s not that complicated of a game, and very instinctual.
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I think of basketball IQ as more of understanding your teammates and meshing your game with theirs. I agree w/ ur statement though.
It's not because he's a low IQ player ... it's because Dunn can't shoot. Dunn needs players who can shoot around him to be effective. That's the issue. He can't create enough space due to a lack of shot.
Every point guard / off the dribble guard will be high usuage. That's why you have to look at their shots, FG %, assists, and turnovers. He's a lot like Rondo in that sense.
I don't disagree what you say about Dunn, but it's more due to a lack of shooting rather than low basketball IQ. Low basketball IQ is Cam Payne. That guy can't recognize mismatches even if his life depended on it.
Regarding the pick and roll game, Lauri, Carter, and even Portis are still learning. When the Bulls had Mirotic last year, that's when Dunn thrived. Give Dunn a bit more time. I don't know if he's the answer, but our assets are still developing.
Here's an interesting article on Jim Boylen. It sound like he has a good reputation developing talent. Unfortunately, Boylen had the same problems will the Utes. He didn't know how to be a head coach.
Monson: Jim Boylen is burning down the Chicago Bulls, not unlike the way he torched the Utes
Monson: Jim Boylen is burning down the Chicago Bulls, not unlike the way he torched the Utes
MurrayBannerman
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One begets another you could say. His lack of shooting puts him in bad situations and what not.
I think you're misunderstanding my general point. I'm strictly looking at Dunn and this year's offense. I see him as a defensive stopper right now, but I don't rule out growth.
Like I said, I don't disagree with what your said. I just don't agree Dunn is a low IQ player. It's his inability to shoot puts him in bad positions on offense ... which happens to a lot of NBA players. If you can't shoot, you can't create space. If you can't create space, you're more prone to turnovers. Dunn has to force the action around the basket when his shot is not falling ... whether with the ball or cutting to the basket. At least he is self aware of his deficiencies rather than jacking up 3 pointers like a lot of the current Bulls.
for me it is dragging on b/c of long and no exciting news which drags the off season on and on.
The Cubs have to find more content.
In New York:
* MSG (Dolan) broadcasts the Knicks, Devils, Rangers, Islanders, Red Bulls
* YES (Yankees) broadcasts the Yankees, Nets, and NY Football Club
* SNY (Mets) broadcast Mets, Jets programming, Rutgers, UCONN, some Big East.
The Wirtz / Reinsdorf package makes 100% sense. Sox, Hawks, Bulls make good content.
Ricketts has to find other content than the Cubs.
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Seem to remember quite a few people here thinking Cubs and Hawks together would be a sure thing. As if the Hawks would leave a sure thing for what could end up a disaster like the Dodgers network.
the thing is, the northsiders has a built in fan base..... so why would they want to help other org bring in revenue esp when they won the WS.... the biggest problem is not repeating.
now for the sox and bulls, they are owned by the same person/company and been trying to get a deal or in position like the Dodger revenue income with their fan base. now with the addition of the Bhawks, JR wish of a Chi sports network.
however it would work a lot better with the bears and nfl will never allow that.
now for the sox and bulls, they are owned by the same person/company and been trying to get a deal or in position like the Dodger revenue income with their fan base. now with the addition of the Bhawks, JR wish of a Chi sports network.
however it would work a lot better with the bears and nfl will never allow that.
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