OT: OT: Lets Go Cardinals! (All Baseball Talk Here) Part 2

[BleedBlue14]

edman is gonna win NLCS mvp i think

great trade Mo!

Yes because Tommy Edman is the middle of the order bat we desperately need.

Getting Fedde back for him was a good decision, if we cut ties from a couple of Mikolas, Matz, Gibson, Lynn if not all of them. He’s a pretty solid #3.

We’ve ran the Edman experiment for years. He’s a really good baseball player. He’s not a great hitter. You have more than 2 or 3 of those in the lineup, and it makes your team pretty easy to game plan against. He’s probably the 8th best hitter on the Dodgers. If you can make that happen you’re in a good spot.

 

[TheDizee]

Yes because Tommy Edman is the middle of the order bat we desperately need.

Getting Fedde back for him was a good decision, if we cut ties from a couple of Mikolas, Matz, Gibson, Lynn if not all of them. He’s a pretty solid #3.

We’ve ran the Edman experiment for years. He’s a really good baseball player. He’s not a great hitter. You have more than 2 or 3 of those in the lineup, and it makes your team pretty easy to game plan against. He’s probably the 8th best hitter on the Dodgers. If you can make that happen you’re in a good spot.

But we won't cut ties from them. They are going to feed Mikolas & Matz atleast 200 innings between them.

Mo got hosed, AGAIN!

 

[BleedBlue14]

But we won't cut ties from them. They are going to feed Mikolas & Matz atleast 200 innings between them.

Mo got hosed, AGAIN!

Matz won’t even be available enough to hit 100 innings. But I’m also confused. You seem to agree, and then default to pushing the narrative lol

 

[TheDizee]

LETS GO MO!

 

[Memento]

Bloom decided to hire a young guy from Cleveland, Rob Cerfolio, to be their assistant GM. Brant Brown (once highly regarded, but has struggled since) and Jon Jay (yes, our Jon Jay) to be the hitting coach and outfield coach, respectively; Willie McGee is being moved into a special assistant to the GM role.

I'm a fan of all of those moves, and it's what I've been screaming to do for ages: hire from outside.

 

[SirPaste]

Bloom decided to hire a young guy from Cleveland, Rob Cerfolio, to be their assistant GM. Brant Brown (once highly regarded, but has struggled since) and Jon Jay (yes, our Jon Jay) to be the hitting coach and outfield coach, respectively; Willie McGee is being moved into a special assistant to the GM role.

I'm a fan of all of those moves, and it's what I've been screaming to do for ages: hire from outside.

I don't really know anything about these guys (other than JJ of course) so hard to really have an opinion on the hires, but I do agree that I am glad they are bringing in people from outside the orginization.

 

[Memento]

I don't really know anything about these guys (other than JJ of course) so hard to really have an opinion on the hires, but I do agree that I am glad they are bringing in people from outside the orginization.

Cleveland has one of the best prospect pools in the majors, they've built things the right way in Latin America as well, and they're heavy on analytics. I'm good with it.

Brant Brown was apparently a well-regarded hitting coach at one time with the Dodgers. Ran into issues with the Mariners and Marlins, but I hope a fresh start helps him.

Jon Jay's likely our outfield assistant, and I'm fine with that. Willie McGee is probably still going to be an instructor.

Also, don't expect these to be our last moves: apparently, Chaim Bloom wants to really revamp our prospect system, try to find ways to work, and we still need to replace Gary LaRocque as the Director of Player Development.

Right now, I'm fine with these moves. It shows that they're doing something different. Now they need to get good deals for whomever they're trading and definitely get a haul for Helsley, at the very least (if not Arenado, Gray, and Contreras as well).

 

[BleedBlue14]

Cleveland has one of the best prospect pools in the majors, they've built things the right way in Latin America as well, and they're heavy on analytics. I'm good with it.

Brant Brown was apparently a well-regarded hitting coach at one time with the Dodgers. Ran into issues with the Mariners and Marlins, but I hope a fresh start helps him.

Jon Jay's likely our outfield assistant, and I'm fine with that. Willie McGee is probably still going to be an instructor.

Also, don't expect these to be our last moves: apparently, Chaim Bloom wants to really revamp our prospect system, try to find ways to work, and we still need to replace Gary LaRocque as the Director of Player Development.

Right now, I'm fine with these moves. It shows that they're doing something different. Now they need to get good deals for whomever they're trading and definitely get a haul for Helsley, at the very least (if not Arenado, Gray, and Contreras as well).

Love the youth movement in the front office. Regardless if it works out really well or not. These are young guys with experience in organizations that have been leaders towards analytics/player development. This is a really good sign towards new ideology in our player development which was desperately needed.

We've been good at getting guys who are major league average, and honestly really good at it. But we have been absolutely awful at pushing guys over that hump and turning out significant talent while they are still within the organization. Fresh ideas, from knowledgeable sources is never a bad thing.

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

 

[Mike Liut]

Now trade Arenado, Mikolas, Gray, Helsley and let Goldy walk and embrace a full rebuild and youth movement.

 

[Memento]

Now trade Arenado, Mikolas, Gray, Helsley and let Goldy walk and embrace a full rebuild and youth movement.

I don't think Mikolas or Matz are tradeable or have any value around the league...but I could easily see Contreras be dealt along with the others you mentioned to embrace a whole youth movement. Teams are interested, he has value, and we can't afford to carry three catchers, especially not with Crooks and Bernal coming up. ...And of course, he criticized the Cardinals' front office, and Mozeliak can't have that, can he?

(Note the immense sarcasm in the last sentence.)

 

[Memento]

Ken Boyer is on the ballot for the Classic Baseball Era Committee for the HOF. I hope he makes it this time; he's one of the better third basemen out there, but there's so many deserving candidates on that ballot.

 

[TheDizee]

Ken Boyer is on the ballot for the Classic Baseball Era Committee for the HOF. I hope he makes it this time; he's one of the better third basemen out there, but there's so many deserving candidates on that ballot.

Edmonds should be in the HOF

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

I don’t hate this

 

[joe galiba]

I don’t hate this

it especially makes sense from a roster standpoint with how the two young guys performed last year

 

[Memento]

I don’t hate this

I'm not a fan.

Burleson or Walker should be the first baseman - and I'm willing to give Walker a little more leeway in the outfield than Burleson on account of his plus-plus arm, above-average speed, and the fact that he hasn't spent a lot of time there and improved from last year. But Burleson fits at first perfectly.

Contreras is only going to decline from here. He's thirty-two. He will be thirty-five at the end of his contract.

I'd rather go for a full youth movement. The oldest we should be keeping in the infield is Donovan, and I still wouldn't give him a long-term contract. The oldest in the outfield who could be kept is Nootbaar, and I'm tempted to trade him if we got a good enough offer.

We're not going to be a winning team for some time. Might as well lose young than lose old.

 

[Spear]

I'm not a fan.

Burleson or Walker should be the first baseman - and I'm willing to give Walker a little more leeway in the outfield than Burleson on account of his plus-plus arm, above-average speed, and the fact that he hasn't spent a lot of time there and improved from last year. But Burleson fits at first perfectly.

Contreras is only going to decline from here. He's thirty-two. He will be thirty-five at the end of his contract.

I'd rather go for a full youth movement. The oldest we should be keeping in the infield is Donovan, and I still wouldn't give him a long-term contract. The oldest in the outfield who could be kept is Nootbaar, and I'm tempted to trade him if we got a good enough offer.

We're not going to be a winning team for some time. Might as well lose young than lose old.

If I heard correctly on Fox 2 tonight, both Contreras and Gray don't want to be traded. They both have NTC's. It also sounded like Arenado could be the one on the move.

 

[Celtic Note]

Are the Cards the Wild of the MLB?

 

[Memento]

If I heard correctly on Fox 2 tonight, both Contreras and Gray don't want to be traded. They both have NTC's. It also sounded like Arenado could be the one on the move.

Well, that f***ing sucks. I’d be willing to deal Gray to a team of his choosing, even Cinci. No idea why Contreras is staying put; it’s not like we’re going to win much in the coming years.

I’m just disappointed that Burleson/Walker are going to be blocked further.

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

Well, that f***ing sucks. I’d be willing to deal Gray to a team of his choosing, even Cinci. No idea why Contreras is staying put; it’s not like we’re going to win much in the coming years.

I’m just disappointed that Burleson/Walker are going to be blocked further.

If Arenado is traded, how would you feel about Walker at 3rd? IIRC he was drafted as a 3rd baseman.

I also wonder if maybe the could rotate Contreras and Burleson at 1st and DH, unless they plan on giving Baker more of a shot.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Well, that f***ing sucks. I’d be willing to deal Gray to a team of his choosing, even Cinci. No idea why Contreras is staying put; it’s not like we’re going to win much in the coming years.

I’m just disappointed that Burleson/Walker are going to be blocked further.

Looks to me that Walker is blocking himself with his awful play.

 

[Memento]

If Arenado is traded, how would you feel about Walker at 3rd? IIRC he was drafted as a 3rd baseman.

I also wonder if maybe the could rotate Contreras and Burleson at 1st and DH, unless they plan on giving Baker more of a shot.

There’s no way I put him back on the dirt; he’s long since outgrown it.

Looks to me that Walker is blocking himself with his awful play.

He never got to get going. He was actually quite solid in September when given consistent playing time.

I never understood why bad teams played old vets over prospects who just need a chance.

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I'm really curious what's going on behind the scenes with Diamond.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

He never got to get going. He was actually quite solid in September when given consistent playing time.

I never understood why bad teams played old vets over prospects who just need a chance.

So, he needs everything to be all PLD before he gets going.