OT: OT: 2018 Football Thread III: Well, the Giants suck, anyway!

[LeetchisGod]

I wonder if the Giants would consider trading for Winston....

I want nothing to do with him. Not the kind of personality that you want to bring into a rebuilding team's locker room.

 

[Bluto]

. . . or you draft a QB and sign Fitz to be a bridge guy. Which is exactly what the team should be doing. Take a QB at 1 or so.

The top of the draft has zero offensive linemen worthy of a top 5 pick let alone a top 2 or 3 pick. Taking an OL that high this year would be completely moronic.

The good thing is that the draft has really, really good depth. So there should be a lot of rounds 2-3 offensive linemen to build around. If you can get Herbert at 1 and a guy like Cajuste in the 2nd, it's a heck of a draft already. Then you can let Herbert learn behind the bridge QB for a year (or however long he needs).

If Herbert isn't coming out, dont waste the first. Hes the only QB in this draft that has what it takes to be successful.
Greg Little from Ole Miss looks to be the real deal. So does Jonah William's from Alabama. It would be moronic not to take OT too 5 if Herbert doesn't come out. Bridgewater might come in here and play well. Rounds 2-5 have to be O Line if Herbert comes out. All available cap space has to go to Landon and then O Line. O line is the number one problem on this team. They dont fix the line, who ever we draft will be ruined.

 

[Bluto]

I want nothing to do with him. Not the kind of personality that you want to bring into a rebuilding team's locker room.

Hes also a really bad QB.

 

[Fitzy]

Engram looks like another Jerry bust.

Too bad he didn't listen to McAdon't and traded up for Mahomes.

He has dropped a ton of balls.

I want NYG to bring in Tyrod Taylor next year and try a mobile offense. Trade down and draft o-line heavy. If it doesn't work, go Qb the following year.

A mobile QB with Barkley could make for a devastating option game.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

If Herbert isn't coming out, dont waste the first. Hes the only QB in this draft that has what it takes to be successful.
Greg Little from Ole Miss looks to be the real deal. So does Jonah William's from Alabama. It would be moronic not to take OT too 5 if Herbert doesn't come out. Bridgewater might come in here and play well. Rounds 2-5 have to be O Line if Herbert comes out. All available cap space has to go to Landon and then O Line. O line is the number one problem on this team. They dont fix the line, who ever we draft will be ruined.

Little or Williams would be beyond bad picks up at the top of the draft. Pure positional reaches.

If Herbert doesn't come out, the only plausible move is a trade back to pick up more picks. This team should not be reaching for mediocre offensive linemen. Little and Williams are both mid first round picks at best as of right now.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Hes also a really bad QB.

I mean, he's a Florida State QB. So that's true by default.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

He has dropped a ton of balls.

I want NYG to bring in Tyrod Taylor next year and try a mobile offense. Trade down and draft o-line heavy. If it doesn't work, go Qb the following year.

A mobile QB with Barkley could make for a devastating option game.

If Herbert is there you take him and go home thankful you didn't have to trade up for a QB. Anything else is malpractice. If Herbert somehow doesn't declare or we don't have the ability to pick him, trade down and get a bunch of picks. The OL depth in this draft is very, very good. So reaching at the top for an OL that isn't a true top 5 pick (hint: None of them are this year.) would be incredibly stupid.

Gettleman had a good draft last year so I'm hoping he can replicate it again this year, but I can easily see the guy reaching for an offensive lineman and pretending THAT was the reason Eli was bad.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Every couple years it seems, there's talk of the #1QB not declaring. It almost never happens. If Herbert is a lock to be 1st Overall, he's declaring.

 

[Kovalev27]

I can’t imagine a guy with the opportunity to be the number 1 qB in the draft not declaring so that he can be 2 or 3 the following year. Now that would be dumb.

The kid is going to be first overall pick and a giant he’s not going to pass that opportunity up.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I can’t imagine a guy with the opportunity to be the number 1 qB in the draft not declaring so that he can be 2 or 3 the following year. Now that would be dumb.

The kid is going to be first overall pick and a giant he’s not going to pass that opportunity up.

Yup...get the franchise QB, then build around him.

 

[Kovalev27]

Exactly

Yes the line is garbage but you finish at the bottom of the league again u take the top QB. You don’t pass again on one. And that’s coming from a guy that completely agreed with taking Barkley a generational talent.

The left side of your line is your left side. We committed to solder he needs to play better. Hernandez is a good player.

Halapaio they like does he come back? You cant plan for that injury unfortunately to your center. If not you need a center but really It’s the right side you need to correct.

You’ve got literally nothing over there resembling starting nfl linemen.

 

[sbjnyc]

So I guess Eli starts next game.

Bad gets worse: New York Giants player is arrested

 

[Bob Richards]

ELI WILL NOT BE DENIED

 

[Machinehead]

This perfectly sums up the Giants in 2018 and my reaction to it.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

ELI WILL NOT BE DENIED

The arresting officers:

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Exactly

Yes the line is garbage but you finish at the bottom of the league again u take the top QB. You don’t pass again on one. And that’s coming from a guy that completely agreed with taking Barkley a generational talent.

The left side of your line is your left side. We committed to solder he needs to play better. Hernandez is a good player.

Halapaio they like does he come back? You cant plan for that injury unfortunately to your center. If not you need a center but really It’s the right side you need to correct.

You’ve got literally nothing over there resembling starting nfl linemen.

I actually re-watched most of the snaps from last game and Solder actually wasn't bad. In real time, he looked like he was getting beat. But nearly every time he had pressure get past him, it was due to downfield coverage or just statue-esque play by Manning. I think I've been a bit too hard on him, to be honest.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Demaryius Thomas to Houston for a 4th. Golden Tate to the Eagles for a 3rd.

I like both of those moves for those teams. Houston needed someone with Fuller out for the season. Thomas should see a nice uptick in that offense.

 

[BroadwayBlues]

Herbert hasn't been that great last 3 games. He played much better earlier in the season.
Seems like once NFL scouts started looking at him closely, his play went down hill.

 

[Richard Banger]

Someone please explain to something to me before I go ape shit and start breaking things.

How in the actual mother f***ing shit f*** shit world is LSU with 1 loss ahead of my Notre Dame with 0 losses?

@Hunter Gathers your a smart guy. Please help!

 

[I Eat Crow]

Someone please explain to something to me before I go ape **** and start breaking things.

How in the actual mother ****ing **** **** **** world is LSU with 1 loss ahead of my Notre Dame with 0 losses?

@Hunter Gathers your a smart guy. Please help!

SEC bias

 

[Melrose Munch]

So who is looking forward to Jameis as a giant? Anyone?

 

[East Coast Bias]

Someone please explain to something to me before I go ape **** and start breaking things.

How in the actual mother ****ing **** **** **** world is LSU with 1 loss ahead of my Notre Dame with 0 losses?

@Hunter Gathers your a smart guy. Please help!

LSU plays Bama this weekend so it's not going to matter either way. If LSU wins, they'll have deserved leapfrogging ND. And if they lose, they'll fall back to 7/8/9.

Stanford and VA Tech being mediocre hurts ND. But ND hasn't played all that hard of a schedule. Michigan was a great win. There's other big school names (FSU, USC) in the schedule but those teams aren't good this year.

Not being in a conference hurts them at times. How do you think they'd do in the SEC or Big 10 or Big 12?

 

[nyr2k2]

SEC bias

Well, it's tough. The biggest reasons LSU is ahead is probably strength of schedule thus far. Part of the strength of schedule is some inherent bias--teams start ranked higher than they should be (although this is something that, in all fairness, benefits Notre Dame as often as it hurts them). It's hard to eliminate that. Still, the SEC is pretty unquestionably the best conference in football year over year. So to me, the bias is somewhat understandable.

Not having a conference title game is always going to hurt ND as well.

 

[Richard Banger]

LSU plays Bama this weekend so it's not going to matter either way. If LSU wins, they'll have deserved leapfrogging ND. And if they lose, they'll fall back to 7/8/9.

Stanford and VA Tech being mediocre hurts ND. But ND hasn't played all that hard of a schedule. Michigan was a great win. There's other big school names (FSU, USC) in the schedule but those teams aren't good this year.

Not being in a conference hurts them at times. How do you think they'd do in the SEC or Big 10 or Big 12?

honestly I think ND would run through everyone in the SEC, big 10&12 they got a very good team this year.

These rankings are an absolute joke. ***ing political bullshit.

 

[sbjnyc]

Bama would crush ND. They're the GSW of college football. They're always very good but this time they have a real QB. And playoff rankings right now mean squat. If LSU can beat Bama they'll deserve to be #1.