Oshawa Generals 2024-25 Season Thread, Part 1

[dirty12]

Does it matter? If you go into next season as a rebuild, your next two seasons are write offs anyway. The question isn’t what is Hopkins the next two years. The question is what is Hopkins now? Can you replace his production if you trade him?

Hopkins for 2.5 years with Heyes is worth a ppg 19 yr old and a significant OA upgrade. May as well just pay the pick price for the OA.

 

[dirty12]

That doesn't mean they should trade Hopkins. They absolutely should not

Agreed, and already stated that. There is however a chance (SSM) would pay the price to have an outstanding 1-2 at centre born '07

 

[Generalsupdates]

Agreed, and already stated that. There is however a chance (SSM) would pay the price to have an outstanding 1-2 at centre born '07

Of course SSM would do that. They’d be robbing Kingston lol. I also never understand why fans of other teams start random convos about other teams they’re not even a fan of, on the thread if a diff team they’re not a fan of.

There’s the Kingston thread. There’s the Soo thread. There’s even an OHL trade thread. You picked the Gens thread…

 

[OMG67]

If Kingston is truly on a quest for a championship, then Hopkins has to be on the table. I think Hopkins has more value than any of the ‘08s potentially available (Challenger, Blonda, O’Donnell, Smith, and Zhilkin).

The SSM example is actually pretty good. I think Hopkins+Heyes+Velliaris +2nd+3rd could get Allard and Gibson. That still leaves Kingston with more than enough to add two more bodies.

Miedema - Guindon - TRADE (McCue)
Battaglia - Allard - Soto
Pickle - McNamarra - Uronen

Pie - Gibson
Burns - Williamson
McGowan - Uens

If they only use draft picks, they cannot get there IMO. That is a really good top 6 up front and a really good top 5 on the back end. They’d still have some assets to add some depth if they really wanted to. Battaglia would need to go next year in the rebuild.

I am not saying they have to do this but if they truly feel they have a shot and they are confident with the the right moves, I really think this is the path.

 

[frontsfan67]

Does it matter? If you go into next season as a rebuild, your next two seasons are write offs anyway. The question isn’t what is Hopkins the next two years. The question is what is Hopkins now? Can you replace his production if you trade him?

Close to a ppg, 2 way, very well liked(which is very important as they can’t go for someone like musty who could throw the room off) only 17 and still VERY raw.

Next year when he puts on another 10-15 lbs probably, work’s more on offensive skills he will be breaking out again for 80+ points probably after falling in the 55-68 range likely this year. I’ve heard it a billion times here- it’s a 19 year olds league. When he is 19 he will for sure be among the best in the league- trade him then and keep him on the team this year and next.

If I had to pick 5 untouchable players- he would be on that list and probably #2 after Battaglia

Of course SSM would do that. They’d be robbing Kingston lol. I also never understand why fans of other teams start random convos about other teams they’re not even a fan of, on the thread if a diff team they’re not a fan of.

There’s the Kingston thread. There’s the Soo thread. There’s even an OHL trade thread. You picked the Gens thread…

Lol with all this talk of Kingston (without reading) I assumed this was just the Kingston thread.

 

[Nerf27]

Close to a ppg, 2 way, very well liked(which is very important as they can’t go for someone like musty who could throw the room off) only 17 and still VERY raw.

Next year when he puts on another 10-15 lbs probably, work’s more on offensive skills he will be breaking out again for 80+ points probably after falling in the 55-68 range likely this year. I’ve heard it a billion times here- it’s a 19 year olds league. When he is 19 he will for sure be among the best in the league- trade him then and keep him on the team this year and next.

If I had to pick 5 untouchable players- he would be on that list and probably #2 after Battaglia


Lol with all this talk of Kingston (without reading) I assumed this was just the Kingston thread.

Ya it’s always the same posters that love Kingston talk over here. Lol. And to think there was actually Gens talk on this board.

 

[Donnie740]

If Kingston is truly on a quest for a championship, then Hopkins has to be on the table. I think Hopkins has more value than any of the ‘08s potentially available (Challenger, Blonda, O’Donnell, Smith, and Zhilkin).

The SSM example is actually pretty good. I think Hopkins+Heyes+Velliaris +2nd+3rd could get Allard and Gibson. That still leaves Kingston with more than enough to add two more bodies.

Miedema - Guindon - TRADE (McCue)
Battaglia - Allard - Soto
Pickle - McNamarra - Uronen

Pie - Gibson
Burns - Williamson
McGowan - Uens

If they only use draft picks, they cannot get there IMO. That is a really good top 6 up front and a really good top 5 on the back end. They’d still have some assets to add some depth if they really wanted to. Battaglia would need to go next year in the rebuild.

I am not saying they have to do this but if they truly feel they have a shot and they are confident with the the right moves, I really think this is the path.

Kingston doesn’t have the high end talent to match the top teams. Owen Allard definitely isn’t going to move the needle for them in that regard.

Allard is a complimentary middle six forward who would fill a role behind superstars like Ritchie and Sennecke or Cowan and Barkey.

That’s not to say OHL teams don’t make inexplicably misguided overpays, but dealing Hopkins for a guy like Allard would rank as one of the worst trades of the year.

 

[OMG67]

Kingston doesn’t have the high end talent to match the top teams. Owen Allard definitely isn’t going to move the needle for them in that regard.

Allard is a complimentary middle six forward who would fill a role behind superstars like Ritchie and Sennecke or Cowan and Barkey.

That’s not to say OHL teams don’t make inexplicably misguided overpays, but dealing Hopkins for a guy like Allard would rank as one of the worst trades of the year.

It was for Allard and Gibson….. Gibson is the bigger piece.

 

[Donnie740]

O’toole finding out last night there is always someone tougher, ouch those punches to the forhead are going to sting for a few days he was hurting after

I like that O’Toole is always willing to drop his gloves, but there’s two issues with him - - number one, never going to be confused as an intimidating heavyweight and number two he’s not talented enough to be taking a regular shift.

Connor Punnett and Roobroeck were much better fighters and infinitely better hockey players.

That’s still a glaring hole in this year’s roster.

 

[Nerf27]

I like that O’Toole is always willing to drop his gloves, but there’s two issues with him - - number one, never going to be confused as an intimidating heavyweight and number two he’s not talented enough to be taking a regular shift.

Connor Punnett and Roobroeck were much better fighters and infinitely better hockey players.

That’s still a glaring hole in this year’s roster.

Ya but you don’t want your top guys sitting for 5 minutes so he’s the perfect 4th line guy for that at this stage. And I’d beg to differ on his intimidation. Guys around the league know he can throw them. But that’s my opinion.

 

[frontsfan67]

I like that O’Toole is always willing to drop his gloves, but there’s two issues with him - - number one, never going to be confused as an intimidating heavyweight and number two he’s not talented enough to be taking a regular shift.

Connor Punnett and Roobroeck were much better fighters and infinitely better hockey players.

That’s still a glaring hole in this year’s roster.

Sure he’s not an intimidating force like punnett or roobroeck or Butler was.

However guys like Sawyer Boulton last year who weren’t very big could chuck some knucks. A guy like McGowan on the fronts is the same way despite only being 5’11.

As long as he buys into his role as an enforcer he has a spot on the team. (With limited minutes)

You definitely don’t want the skilled guys like sennecke, Ritchie, Barlow, Marelli, Griffin etc sitting off for up to 17 minutes (2+5+10)

 

[Donnie740]

It was for Allard and Gibson….. Gibson is the bigger piece.

Even with adding Gibson to the deal it still doesn’t make any sense for Kingston. They need elite high end offensive talent way more than they need amother defenceman. Maybe if they’d acquired Wakely we’d be having a different conversation.

Gibson makes way more sense for Oshawa. They’ve got the high end offensive players, but they’re extremely thin on defense.

Dave Svozil has been nowhere close to being as good as advertised - - he was God-awful against Kingston last Sunday and as I noted in the preseason, he just way too careless with the puck.

Lucas Rodriguez tries his best, but he absolutely cannot be trusted in the playoffs if the Generals have any aspirations of a championship this year.

Dumping Brady Smith and a few of their dwindling draft picks on the Soo for Gibson would be an excellent deal for Oshawa.

 

[dirty12]

If Kingston is truly on a quest for a championship, then Hopkins has to be on the table. I think Hopkins has more value than any of the ‘08s potentially available (Challenger, Blonda, O’Donnell, Smith, and Zhilkin).

The SSM example is actually pretty good. I think Hopkins+Heyes+Velliaris +2nd+3rd could get Allard and Gibson. That still leaves Kingston with more than enough to add two more bodies.

Miedema - Guindon - TRADE (McCue)
Battaglia - Allard - Soto
Pickle - McNamarra - Uronen

Pie - Gibson
Burns - Williamson
McGowan - Uens

If they only use draft picks, they cannot get there IMO. That is a really good top 6 up front and a really good top 5 on the back end. They’d still have some assets to add some depth if they really wanted to. Battaglia would need to go next year in the rebuild.

I am not saying they have to do this but if they truly feel they have a shot and they are confident with the the right moves, I really think this is the path.

Not sweet enough for Kingston imo.
Heyes, Hopkins, (Velaris or Moore), 2,3,4,5 for Gibson, Allard, Mignosa

 

[OMG67]

Not sweet enough for Kingston imo.
Heyes, Hopkins, (Velaris or Moore), 2,3,4,5 for Gibson, Allard, Mignosa

That’s probably light on draft picks for that package.

Not sweet enough for Kingston imo.
Heyes, Hopkins, (Velaris or Moore), 2,3,4,5 for Gibson, Allard, Mignosa

That’ probably light on draft picks for that package.

 

[Generalsupdates]

Gens going backup tonight with Gravelle since they played last night. OS going back to George though, even though they also played last night. You know he'll want to steal one against his former captain, and nobody in the O better at doing it than him

 

[Nerf27]

Gens going backup tonight with Gravelle since they played last night. OS going back to George though, even though they also played last night. You know he'll want to steal one against his former captain, and nobody in the O better at doing it than him

Short bench too. If it was Lax still coaching it would be an extra one or two forwards lol.

 

[HUSH10]

Short bench too. If it was Lax still coaching it would be an extra one or two forwards lol.

Shows how little Oshawa feels about Fraser McDonnell if they would rather healthy scratch him then have him fill an empty seat on the bench.

 

[dirty12]

That’s probably light on draft picks for that package.



That’ probably light on draft picks for that package

Then Good Luck; I hope you get the player(s) you want.

 

[backwoods]

Who cares...is this a Kingston board or Oshawa.. Jesus

 

[Donnie740]

That’s probably light on draft picks for that package.

No way, that would be a ridiculously good deal for the Soo.

Let’s be honest - - the Soo has no hope of challenging for a championship this year. Why would they want to hang onto guys that won’t be around next season?

Allard is 100% finished after this year and Gibson is 99% assured to be in the AHL next year.

Mignosa will most likely be back as an OA but there’s no comparison between having him for one more year or Hopkins for two more years. Not to mention all the draft picks.

It would be an absolute no brainer for the Soo, even without Gage Hayes and Vellaris included.

 

[frontsfan67]

Gens going backup tonight with Gravelle since they played last night. OS going back to George though, even though they also played last night. You know he'll want to steal one against his former captain, and nobody in the O better at doing it than him

What a skill gap between those 2 goalies holy crap. Gens better be on their A game

 

[Donnie740]

What a skill gap between those 2 goalies holy crap. Gens better be on their A game

Yes, Gravelle has not looked good this year. Clearly the team has little to no confidence in him - - it’s as if they only feel comfortable starting him against bottom feeders.

I realize Oshawa wasted a 2nd round pick on him, but they desperately need a capable back up who can handle starting 12 to 15 games throughout the season.

Owen Griffin is the only player of significance missing from the Oshawa line up.

Having Harrison Franssen suspended for two games is actually addition by subtraction for the Generals.

 

[frontsfan67]

Yes, Gravelle has not looked good this year. Clearly the team has little to no confidence in him - - it’s as if they only feel comfortable starting him against bottom feeders.

I realize Oshawa wasted a 2nd round pick on him, but they desperately need a capable back up who can handle starting 12 to 15 games throughout the season.

Owen Griffin is the only player of significance missing from the Oshawa line up.

Having Harrison Franssen suspended for two games is actually addition by subtraction for the Generals.

If he’s going to learn from any goalie in the OHL- oster isn’t a bad one to back up. By the end of the year he probably is a lot better but right now pretty damn shaky going against the best goalie in the OHL on the other side of the rink today.

 

[Donnie740]

If he’s going to learn from any goalie in the OHL- oster isn’t a bad one to back up. By the end of the year he probably is a lot better but right now pretty damn shaky going against the best goalie in the OHL on the other side of the rink today.

The talent level just isn’t there with Gravelle. As evidenced on the first goal tonight - - a brutally soft one that should have easily been turned away.

 

[frontsfan67]

Ritchie with 8Pims? That’s pretty uncharacteristic of him.

Him and Bedkowski going at it lots?