Oshawa Generals 2023-24 Off-Season Thread (Part 1)

[HUSH10]

let’s see who is right

Let's think "logically" not factually. Remember that.

 

[Donnie740]

Personally, I like Barlow but I don’t see a big gap between any of Barlow, Romani, Pinelli, and Misa from an impact point of view. Some different attributes amongst them but all are productive.

You also have to take into consideration the likelihood of the player returning as an OA.

Winnipeg isn’t going to let their 1st round pick spend another season in junior hockey next year.

Porky Pinelli isn’t nearly as good as Barlow, but as a 4th round pick there’s a much higher chance of him being sent back to junior for his OA season.

Pinelli is also very short at only 5’9” so that also works against him turning pro as a 20yr old.

 

[OMG67]

You also have to take into consideration the likelihood of the player returning as an OA.

Winnipeg isn’t going to let their 1st round pick spend another season in junior hockey next year.

Porky Pinelli isn’t nearly as good as Barlow, but as a 4th round pick there’s a much higher chance of him being sent back to junior for his OA season.

Pinelli is also very short at only 5’9” so that also works against him turning pro as a 20yr old.

It would be rare for 50 goal scores that are signed to NHL contracts to not turn pro and play AHL. Pinelli is signed so it is very unlikely to the point that I don’t think teams could honestly factor that into the equation. IF he were to return, or any other player in similar position, it would have to be considered the exception and probably very lucky.

 

[OMG67]

Delisle is definitely worth more than that

I don’t think Delisle has shown enough to warrant a 2nd round pick. It is probably a little early but at the same time, you have to equate his value now. I think a 3rd and 4th is close. He could very well improve his standing in his 17 year old season but, again, when you talk about players at this age, it reverts back closer to where they were picked unless there was a development jump. He was a 3rd round pick. HE had a decent year but nothing special. He doesn’t have size that jumps out. I’m not sure what the picks package would be but the 3rd and 4th is definitely not far off.

 

[frontsfan67]

I don’t think Delisle has shown enough to warrant a 2nd round pick. It is probably a little early but at the same time, you have to equate his value now. I think a 3rd and 4th is close. He could very well improve his standing in his 17 year old season but, again, when you talk about players at this age, it reverts back closer to where they were picked unless there was a development jump. He was a 3rd round pick. HE had a decent year but nothing special. He doesn’t have size that jumps out. I’m not sure what the picks package would be but the 3rd and 4th is definitely not far off.

He is an 07. He was a 3rd round pick. He had 18 points this season in a middle 6 role.

He is bound to improve upon those numbers this year and every year for the next 3 or 4 more years

Way more valuable than a 3rd and a 4th

 

[Donnie740]

I don’t think Delisle has shown enough to warrant a 2nd round pick. It is probably a little early but at the same time, you have to equate his value now. I think a 3rd and 4th is close. He could very well improve his standing in his 17 year old season but, again, when you talk about players at this age, it reverts back closer to where they were picked unless there was a development jump. He was a 3rd round pick. HE had a decent year but nothing special. He doesn’t have size that jumps out. I’m not sure what the picks package would be but the 3rd and 4th is definitely not far off.

Granted, he doesn’t have the size at only 5’9” but he’s a tenacious on the forecheck and isn’t afraid to drop his gloves.

Right now at age 17, Delisle is an excellent 3rd line forward on a championship level team. On an average team he’s likely a 2nd line guy this year.

You’re forgetting that Delisle still has at least three more years remaining - - and quite possyfour more years.

As a Generals fan, I’d GLADLY give up a 2nd round pick to acquire a guy like that from another team.

 

[lavidaloca89]

PTO for Lleyton Moore with Utah. I’d assume hes a real long shot to make the team but it would be nice to see him do it.

 

[Donnie740]

Delisle is definitely worth more than that

Agree 100% - - not sure why others aren’t able to see the value in a 17yr old middle six forward position who plays a two-way game and will be around for the next three years guaranteed, maybe even four years.

As I explained previously, I’d GLADLY give up a 3rd and a 4th for a player like that.

 

[frontsfan67]

Agree 100% - - not sure why others aren’t able to see the value in a 17yr old middle six forward position who plays a two-way game and will be around for the next three years guaranteed, maybe even four years.

As I explained previously, I’d GLADLY give up a 3rd and a 4th for a player like that.

I agree. I would love him on the Fronts. 3 and a 4 is nothing for a guy like that. If gens don’t win the championship they’ll be regretting that for a few years for sure.

 

[OMG67]

I agree. I would love him on the Fronts. 3 and a 4 is nothing for a guy like that. If gens don’t win the championship they’ll be regretting that for a few years for sure.

I think you can apply that logic to every team that trades a key young player for a half season player. I’m sure Sarnia would love to have Martone back but you gotta pay to play.

 

[OHL4Life]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836457886827806905

as I posted weeks ago. 06 d, 07 f, 2nds, 2 3rds and other picks

 

[HUSH10]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836457886827806905

as I posted weeks ago. 06 d, 07 f, 2nds, 2 3rds and other picks

But is it....logical?

 

[OMG67]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1836457886827806905

as I posted weeks ago. 06 d, 07 f, 2nds, 2 3rds and other picks

Stop giving Ken Campbell source material. Make sure you at least get a couple pops out of it!

 

[OHL4Life]

Stop giving Ken Campbell source material. Make sure you at least get a couple pops out of it!

Wasn’t me, he’s a moron. But I’m a grumpy old man and think everyone is awful lol

 

[OMG67]

Wasn’t me, he’s a moron. But I’m a grumpy old man and think everyone is awful lol

Sure. Play that game. We all know it was you!

 

[OHL4Life]

But is it....logical?

I should try to find the post where he said there was no way that the generals would move those two players and picks

 

[OMG67]

I should try to find the post where he said there was no way that the generals would move those two players and picks

In fairness, he didn’t say that. What was said by @OHL4Life was two players plus “x” picks. Another poster, I think @frontsfan67 stated the two players plus all the picks were higher picks (2nds, 3rds, 4ths). @Donnie740 said there was no way the Generals would trade those players and those picks for Barlow. He referred to specific picks and players, not the more general trade components @OHL4Life posted.

It turned out the players were accurate but the picks were not all high picks. There was a 7th and 10th mixed in and I think only two 2nds or something like that. So, @Donnie740 was accurate. It wasn’t two key player and all high picks like predicted.

Sometimes (actually often), the guys that are more insiders know the components but don’t post the specifics, so others speculate the specifics and we discuss/debate what those specifics are. That’s what happened here.

I don’t have any skin in this game but when people pile on a guy for the wrong reason, it isn’t fair to that poster. There may be other reasons to object to this poster (he can be a little rough around the edges) but in fairness, this shouldn’t be one of them.

 

[dirty12]

In fairness, he didn’t say that. What was said by @OHL4Life was two players plus “x” picks. Another poster, I think @frontsfan67 stated the two players plus all the picks were higher picks (2nds, 3rds, 4ths). @Donnie740 said there was no way the Generals would trade those players and those picks for Barlow. He referred to specific picks and players, not the more general trade components @OHL4Life posted.

It turned out the players were accurate but the picks were not all high picks. There was a 7th and 10th mixed in and I think only two 2nds or something like that. So, @Donnie740 was accurate. It wasn’t two key player and all high picks like predicted.

Sometimes (actually often), the guys that are more insiders know the components but don’t post the specifics, so others speculate the specifics and we discuss/debate what those specifics are. That’s what happened here.

I don’t have any skin in this game but when people pile on a guy for the wrong reason, it isn’t fair to that poster. There may be other reasons to object to this poster (he can be a little rough around the edges) but in fairness, this shouldn’t be one of them.

and the players 'the gens would not trade' were Griffin and Bedowsky; his stance softened when Griffin was changed to Delisle.
If it is indeed Griffin and Bedowsky, the gens over paid imo.

 

[HUSH10]

and the players 'the gens would not trade' were Griffin and Bedowsky; his stance softened when Griffin was changed to Delisle.
If it is indeed Griffin and Bedowsky, the gens over paid imo.

Everything we've heard is Delisle and Bedkowski. I personally like Delisle more based on rookie performance but Griffin has the higher upside and has had a great camp and pre season so in that sense, I don't see the gens trading Griffin in THIS trade.

I also don't see the gens being done with trades so Griffin could definitely still be on the move come deadline.

 

[frontsfan67]

In fairness, he didn’t say that. What was said by @OHL4Life was two players plus “x” picks. Another poster, I think @frontsfan67 stated the two players plus all the picks were higher picks (2nds, 3rds, 4ths). @Donnie740 said there was no way the Generals would trade those players and those picks for Barlow. He referred to specific picks and players, not the more general trade components @OHL4Life posted.

It turned out the players were accurate but the picks were not all high picks. There was a 7th and 10th mixed in and I think only two 2nds or something like that. So, @Donnie740 was accurate. It wasn’t two key player and all high picks like predicted.

Sometimes (actually often), the guys that are more insiders know the components but don’t post the specifics, so others speculate the specifics and we discuss/debate what those specifics are. That’s what happened here.

I don’t have any skin in this game but when people pile on a guy for the wrong reason, it isn’t fair to that poster. There may be other reasons to object to this poster (he can be a little rough around the edges) but in fairness, this shouldn’t be one of them.

100% I didn’t know what picks or what years lol

Just was guessing based on people saying 5/6/7 picks and I guess maybe I overvalued Barlow a bit or undervalued some of the guys I mentioned (delisle and bedkowski) but right after I realized I was probably wrong.

But that’s what guessing does to ya lol. And yes Donnie and I are both just fans so we don’t obviously know the specifics of deals until they become official

 

[frontsfan67]

I also don't see the gens being done with trades so Griffin could definitely still be on the move come deadline.

All depends how he is playing and the market at the time. If he jumps out to a ppg player or near there. They may just keep him- will be cheaper and he’s obviously a big part of the future going forward.

Unless one of the big names gets hurt or doesn’t come back ie- Ritchie, sennecke, Barlow then they may change their stance about griffin and out of desperation trade him for a guy like Romani if made available.

 

[HUSH10]

All depends how he is playing and the market at the time. If he jumps out to a ppg player or near there. They may just keep him- will be cheaper and he’s obviously a big part of the future going forward.

Unless one of the big names gets hurt or doesn’t come back ie- Ritchie, sennecke, Barlow then they may change their stance about griffin and out of desperation trade him for a guy like Romani if made available.

Yeah. Lots can change between now and post Christmas break. I just don't think Gens are done. Will definitely look to add a big defenceman since Bedkowski is gone.

 

[frontsfan67]

Yeah. Lots can change between now and post Christmas break. I just don't think Gens are done. Will definitely look to add a big defenceman since Bedkowski is gone.

I agree. Maybe their guy would be Andonovski? Griffin would fit Kitchener’s timeline too. But then again- all depends if the gens would be willing to part ways with him. Gibson would be another one especially with how good the Soo’s 07 class is.

 

[cruickshankd]

I agree. Maybe their guy would be Andonovski? Griffin would fit Kitchener’s timeline too. But then again- all depends if the gens would be willing to part ways with him. Gibson would be another one especially with how good the Soo’s 07 class is.

Konnor Smith?? Would be an OA problem I know

 

[OMG67]

100% I didn’t know what picks or what years lol

Just was guessing based on people saying 5/6/7 picks and I guess maybe I overvalued Barlow a bit or undervalued some of the guys I mentioned (delisle and bedkowski) but right after I realized I was probably wrong.

But that’s what guessing does to ya lol. And yes Donnie and I are both just fans so we don’t obviously know the specifics of deals until they become official

And don’t take what I said as an insult or anything like that. That wasn’t the intent. The whole point of this forum is to discuss these topics. Sometimes predictions are part of the discussions and they extend the discussions further. When it is a pure prediction, it isn’t often that people are exactly correct.

Donnie comes across as pretty rough around the edges but I personally don’t mind that. I can understand why some find it infuriating but some people are a bit different than others. No big deal. I try to concentrate on the substance of the message and less on the delivery. If it is an interesting topic or maybe a topic I’d like to debate, I will engage.

We don’t need to agree to have a good debate. I know many posters over time have disliked me (even many 67’s fans), mostly for holding opposing views and thinking those opposing views are more like trolling but it isn’t often I troll. I try to back it up with some sort of logical explanation. Sometimes (not often! LOL), it turns out I am wrong. I paid @ScoutLife4 $100.67 last year! I won a similar bet the previous year with a Petes supporter but didn’t get paid. C’est la vie! I don’t really care.