Opinion: Jonas Siegel and James Mirtle are a couple of Jellyfish.

[Ianturnedbull]

Who and about what?

The Jellyfish.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I listened to their Leaf Report: "Maple Leafs active in free agency, are trades next?" episode.

Despite calling Bertuzzi a "home run" signing Mirtle and Jonas spent a lot of time lamenting the Dubas Firing. No they didn't mention Dubas in their podcast, but they were very baffled at a lot of things Treliving did.

Especially talked at length about the Reaves signing. "Where's he going to play?", "Will he be in the line-up for the playoffs?", "He's older now". You never thought that a player who see's 8 min of ice time would get so much consideration. I don't think Vesey, Petan, or even Ritchie had this much discussion when they signed.

I just don't know how they get asked to speak on radio shows and be this bad. I wish they did a "we are angry that Dubas got fired" podcast, and just get it out if their system.

If only they could be a little more open to BT. The guy has only been TOR's GM for a month.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Mirtle and Jonas spent a lot of time lamenting the Dubas Firing.

No they didn't mention Dubas in their podcast

Especially talked at length about the Reaves signing. "Where's he going to play?", "Will he be in the line-up for the playoffs?", "He's older now". You never thought that a player who see's 8 min of ice time would get so much consideration. I don't think Vesey, Petan, or even Ritchie had this much discussion when they signed.

It's the Leafs. Every player gets discussion when they sign. Ritchie got a ton of discussion. Vesey (with his history) and Petan (who was actually just an RFA re-signing) got some, and it's pretty natural for one of the worst players in the NHL being signed to a 3-year contract above the buriable amount at age 37 (indicating that they are viewed as a regular with a roster spot) to generate more discussion than short-term, buriable, league minimum potential depth/injury fill ins in their 20s.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

It's the Leafs. Every player gets discussion when they sign. Ritchie got a ton of discussion. Vesey (with his history) and Petan (who was actually just an RFA re-signing) got some, and it's pretty natural for one of the worst players in the NHL being signed to a 3-year contract above the buriable amount at age 37 (indicating that they are viewed as a regular with a roster spot) to generate more discussion than short-term, buriable, league minimum potential depth/injury fill ins in their 20s.

You don't need to hear them say "Dubas" to know that they are both gut punched. It's affected their ability to report on the Leafs in a neutral/emotionally disassociated way.

The above sentence has a good point, but I keep losing my breath reading it. With all due respect, use a period, a colon, or a semicolon sometimes. You could even run your ideas through CHATGPT.

Vesey, Ritchie, and Petan were never discussed in such a negative way by 2 individuals who comment on hockey in both The Athletic, TSN, and Sportsnet. They never said "I just don't know", "I don't get it", "I guess Keefe will run 7D and 11F in the playoffs".

In no way I am saying that Mirtle and Jonas can not be human (show sadness/emotion). I can't help but notice that every show since Dubas' firing has been a funeral for Dubas. In plainer terms: They do not like Treliving after a whole month of running the hockey team.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You don't need to hear them say "Dubas" to know that they are both gut punched.

Sounds like you're attributing thoughts and feelings and intent to them based on nothing but your own personal perception and feelings.
I'm not sure how somebody could "spend a lot of time lamenting the Dubas firing" when they don't even mention them.

Vesey, Ritchie, and Petan were never discussed in such a negative way by 2 individuals who comment on hockey in both The Athletic, TSN, and Sportsnet. They never said "I just don't know", "I don't get it", "I guess Keefe will run 7D and 11F in the playoffs".

They were all discussed. There are just a lot of things to be more critical and worried about when it comes to Reaves compared to the other names you mentioned.
Ritchie was in his 20s, was the type of player many wanted, and had the potential to fill a bigger complimentary role, and the contract was short term and pretty cheap relative to historical quality. When it wasn't working out, he got a ton of negative criticism, but he was gone pretty fast. There was nothing to really be critical about in regards to signing Vesey or re-signing RFA Petan. Minor depth signings where if they were good they were good, and if they weren't good enough, they would just be sent down and not hurt anything.

Reaves is an established vet, and we know exactly what he is. He's good at face punching and throwing parties, and bad at everything else. He doesn't really fit on our roster anywhere, and if he doesn't work out, it's unlikely that anybody would take him in a trade at age 37+ with term. And he's over the buriable amount, so if he's not playing for us, he still hurts us. People aren't critical of Reaves because of Treliving. They're critical and worried about Reaves because of Reaves.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Sounds like you're attributing thoughts and feelings and intent to them based on nothing but your own personal perception and feelings.
I'm not sure how somebody could "spend a lot of time lamenting the Dubas firing" when they don't even mention them.

They were all discussed. There are just a lot of things to be more critical and worried about when it comes to Reaves compared to the other names you mentioned.
Ritchie was in his 20s, was the type of player many wanted, and had the potential to fill a bigger complimentary role, and the contract was short term and pretty cheap relative to historical quality. When it wasn't working out, he got a ton of negative criticism, but he was gone pretty fast. There was nothing to really be critical about in regards to signing Vesey or re-signing RFA Petan. Minor depth signings where if they were good they were good, and if they weren't good enough, they would just be sent down and not hurt anything.

Reaves is an established vet, and we know exactly what he is. He's good at face punching and throwing parties, and bad at everything else. He doesn't really fit on our roster anywhere, and if he doesn't work out, it's unlikely that anybody would take him in a trade at age 37+ with term. And he's over the buriable amount, so if he's not playing for us, he still hurts us. People aren't critical of Reaves because of Treliving. They're critical and worried about Reaves because of Reaves.

Because I'm educated, and because I've been listening to The Leafs Report Podcast for years. Did you listen it?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Sounds like you're attributing thoughts and feelings and intent to them based on nothing but your own personal perception and feelings.
I'm not sure how somebody could "spend a lot of time lamenting the Dubas firing" when they don't even mention them.

They were all discussed. There are just a lot of things to be more critical and worried about when it comes to Reaves compared to the other names you mentioned.
Ritchie was in his 20s, was the type of player many wanted, and had the potential to fill a bigger complimentary role, and the contract was short term and pretty cheap relative to historical quality. When it wasn't working out, he got a ton of negative criticism, but he was gone pretty fast. There was nothing to really be critical about in regards to signing Vesey or re-signing RFA Petan. Minor depth signings where if they were good they were good, and if they weren't good enough, they would just be sent down and not hurt anything.

Reaves is an established vet, and we know exactly what he is. He's good at face punching and throwing parties, and bad at everything else. He doesn't really fit on our roster anywhere, and if he doesn't work out, it's unlikely that anybody would take him in a trade at age 37+ with term. And he's over the buriable amount, so if he's not playing for us, he still hurts us. People aren't critical of Reaves because of Treliving. They're critical and worried about Reaves because of Reaves.

How can you be so sure that he's good at throwing parties? Lol.

I'm going to say that this Reaves signing to you is an emotional one, and has provoked you in a pretty serious way. I'm here to tell you that Reaves is minor depth too. He too can be buried if need be (like Petan and Vesey). If he plays 9 min. a night he'll be lucky.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Because I'm educated, and because I've been listening to The Leafs Report Podcast for years.

That does not equate to the ability to read minds.

How can you be so sure that he's good at throwing parties? Lol.

It seems to be what Reaves thinks he can bring to the team. Maybe he actually sucks at that too, I dunno, but I wouldn't pay a million+ bucks for a party planner either way.

I'm going to say that this Reaves signing to you is an emotional one, and has provoked you in a pretty serious way. I'm here to tell you that Reaves is minor depth too. He too can be buried if need be (like Petan and Vesey).

Nobody is emotional about Reaves. He's a minor signing, and he'll probably be pretty irrelevant.
I'm just explaining to you the valid reasons why somebody would be critical and concerned about the Reaves signing, for reasons entirely unrelated to the signing GM, and why that signing is different than the other players you mentioned. Reaves can be buried, but he cannot be fully buried like the others. He will still count a small amount against the cap. Which while not a big amount, is not great. And if he does play, he doesn't really have a natural spot in the lineup, or unrealized potential to hit. He's just one of the already oldest and worst players in the NHL getting older and worse.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

There is altogether too much whining over the Reaves signing. He’s being brought in to play a role that he’s the best in the league at. He’s also being brought in for culture purposes. He’s really not being paid all that much, though he’s overpaid by a little.

This board cries about this stuff because people spend so much time here, talking in circles about the same thing, and it gets beaten to death.

We signed Domi and Bertuzzi, as well, and we’ll have a Samsonov deal soon, as well as clarity and closure on Murray. There’s bigger things to worry about than Ryan Reaves, given how unimportant people make him out to be, here.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

That does not equate to the ability to read minds.

It seems to be what Reaves thinks he can bring to the team. Maybe he actually sucks at that too, I dunno, but I wouldn't pay a million+ bucks for a party planner either way.

Nobody is emotional about Reaves. He's a minor signing, and he'll probably be pretty irrelevant.
I'm just explaining to you the valid reasons why somebody would be critical and concerned about the Reaves signing, for reasons entirely unrelated to the signing GM, and why that signing is different than the other players you mentioned. Reaves can be buried, but he cannot be fully buried like the others. He will still count a small amount against the cap. Which while not a big amount, is not great. And if he does play, he doesn't really have a natural spot in the lineup, or unrealized potential to hit. He's just one of the already oldest and worst players in the NHL getting older and worse.

Come on now. This is heavy-handed.

Are you sure you're not talking about Giordano?

 

[Welsh Maple Leaf]

They aren’t wrong as always leafs fans are last to figure it out

 

[All Mod Cons]

I can't believe we actually managed to sling out Dubas, Kerfoot and Holl all in one offseason. Calsberg don't do dreams,........

 

[AcerComputer]

Did either one manage to get a hold of James Riemers mother for comment?

 

[nuck]

You don't need to hear them say "Dubas" to know that they are both gut punched. It's affected their ability to report on the Leafs in a neutral/emotionally disassociated way.

The above sentence has a good point, but I keep losing my breath reading it. With all due respect, use a period, a colon, or a semicolon sometimes. You could even run your ideas through CHATGPT.

Vesey, Ritchie, and Petan were never discussed in such a negative way by 2 individuals who comment on hockey in both The Athletic, TSN, and Sportsnet. They never said "I just don't know", "I don't get it", "I guess Keefe will run 7D and 11F in the playoffs".

In no way I am saying that Mirtle and Jonas can not be human (show sadness/emotion). I can't help but notice that every show since Dubas' firing has been a funeral for Dubas. In plainer terms: They do not like Treliving after a whole month of running the hockey team.

Yeah I am pretty sure we know who the actual people were that were in mourning.

 

[bentharbs]

I have never seen a thread with so many posts from an OP

can we just lock this?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Are you sure you're not talking about Giordano?

Giordano is much better than Reaves, only has 1 year left instead of 3, and he can be buried without penalty.

 

[hullsy47]

I listened to their Leaf Report: "Maple Leafs active in free agency, are trades next?" episode.

Despite calling Bertuzzi a "home run" signing Mirtle and Jonas spent a lot of time lamenting the Dubas Firing. No they didn't mention Dubas in their podcast, but they were very baffled at a lot of things Treliving did.

Especially talked at length about the Reaves signing. "Where's he going to play?", "Will he be in the line-up for the playoffs?", "He's older now". You never thought that a player who see's 8 min of ice time would get so much consideration. I don't think Vesey, Petan, or even Ritchie had this much discussion when they signed.

I just don't know how they get asked to speak on radio shows and be this bad. I wish they did a "we are angry that Dubas got fired" podcast, and just get it out if their system.

If only they could be a little more open to BT. The guy has only been TOR's GM for a month.

Alot of these guys should be worried about their jobs
How long can they regurgitate elloite freidmans work
The rest are pigeons

 

[thewave]

I can't believe we actually managed to sling out Dubas, Kerfoot and Holl all in one offseason. Calsberg don't do dreams,........

I am disappointed Kyle never got a pie in the face while here. Its all i ever wanted.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Siegel's latest still putting pressure on Shanahan:

Maple Leafs refresher: Who's new, who's sneaky important, who's under the microscope

Reviewing the Leafs' offseason changes and outlining the roster strengths, weak points, and players and people under the most pressure.

theathletic.com

"It’s season No. 10 for Shanahan as team president. The first nine produced just one playoff-round victory... No one will get ... more blame if things fall apart (again) in the postseason."

I can't think of a more stupid way of making decisions than by entrusting those who suffer no accountability for being wrong to make those decisions.

We have a common enemy. A common oppressor. A common exploiter.

The first step is to make the entire Nation aware that we have this common enemy.

The second step is to unite on the basis of what we have in common. And what we have foremost in common is that enemy. He is the enemy to all of Leafs Nation.

And that enemy is Brendan Shanahan.

Nine years of the Shanaplan later and this is the results. A single playoffs series win. And a fractured fan base desperate for results.

The best way to solve any problem is to eliminate it's cause.

I hereby recommend the solution to the Leafs problem is simple. If they fail in the playoffs again Brendan Shanahan should be terminated. It'll be hard to find somebody more incompetent to replace him.

But I have every faith in this franchise to do so.

 

[Nineteen67]

During their latest pod they assessed that Brodie, McCabe, Gio and Klingberg are less than ideal D, the bottom 6 won’t score, and the top 6 has some minor questions, and yet, they conclude they could win the division.

That’s a testament to how good they think Matthews, Marner and Nylander are.

 

[conFABulator]

Siegel's latest still putting pressure on Shanahan:

Maple Leafs refresher: Who's new, who's sneaky important, who's under the microscope

Reviewing the Leafs' offseason changes and outlining the roster strengths, weak points, and players and people under the most pressure.

theathletic.com

"It’s season No. 10 for Shanahan as team president. The first nine produced just one playoff-round victory... No one will get ... more blame if things fall apart (again) in the postseason."

I can't think of a more stupid way of making decisions than by entrusting those who suffer no accountability for being wrong to make those decisions.

We have a common enemy. A common oppressor. A common exploiter.

The first step is to make the entire Nation aware that we have this common enemy.

The second step is to unite on the basis of what we have in common. And what we have foremost in common is that enemy. He is the enemy to all of Leafs Nation.

And that enemy is Brendan Shanahan.

Nine years of the Shanaplan later and this is the results. A single playoffs series win. And a fractured fan base desperate for results.

The best way to solve any problem is to eliminate it's cause.

I hereby recommend the solution to the Leafs problem is simple. If they fail in the playoffs again Brendan Shanahan should be terminated. It'll be hard to find somebody more incompetent to replace him.

But I have every faith in this franchise to do so.

I am actually not sure what your point is. Your first sentence after the quote is a bit unclear.

Are you not in agreement that the president should ultimately be held accountable for the performance and results for those that he hired?

 

[Nineteen67]

Siegel's latest still putting pressure on Shanahan:

Maple Leafs refresher: Who's new, who's sneaky important, who's under the microscope

Reviewing the Leafs' offseason changes and outlining the roster strengths, weak points, and players and people under the most pressure.

theathletic.com

"It’s season No. 10 for Shanahan as team president. The first nine produced just one playoff-round victory... No one will get ... more blame if things fall apart (again) in the postseason."

I can't think of a more stupid way of making decisions than by entrusting those who suffer no accountability for being wrong to make those decisions.

We have a common enemy. A common oppressor. A common exploiter.

The first step is to make the entire Nation aware that we have this common enemy.

The second step is to unite on the basis of what we have in common. And what we have foremost in common is that enemy. He is the enemy to all of Leafs Nation.

And that enemy is Brendan Shanahan.

Nine years of the Shanaplan later and this is the results. A single playoffs series win. And a fractured fan base desperate for results.

The best way to solve any problem is to eliminate it's cause.

I hereby recommend the solution to the Leafs problem is simple. If they fail in the playoffs again Brendan Shanahan should be terminated. It'll be hard to find somebody more incompetent to replace him.

But I have every faith in this franchise to do so.

I can’t read the article but those 2 goomers won’t admit that Dubas was a disaster in Toronto. There’s no question that’s on Shanny, he hired the inexperienced GM, but going forward all the blame will be on Shanahan, Treliving, and some on Lou.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I can’t read the article but those 2 goomers won’t admit that Dubas was a disaster in Toronto. There’s no question that’s on Shanny, he hired the inexperienced GM, but going forward all the blame will be on Shanahan, Treliving, and some on Lou.

Why not point the finger towards Tanenbaum?

He's the one that was so "fantastically supportive" of this whole operation all these years.

 

[ACC1224]

Why not point the finger towards Tanenbaum?

He's the one that was so "fantastically supportive" of this whole operation all these years.

Tannenbaum is an Owner.

 

[Peasy]

During their latest pod they assessed that Brodie, McCabe, Gio and Klingberg are less than ideal D, the bottom 6 won’t score, and the top 6 has some minor questions, and yet, they conclude they could win the division.

That’s a testament to how good they think Matthews, Marner and Nylander are.

Theyre definitely able to mask a lot of issues during the regular season. Its not much of a surprise the Leafs begin to struggle in the playoffs when depth and role players become a lot more important.