Opinion: Jonas Siegel and James Mirtle are a couple of Jellyfish.

[Ianturnedbull]

Clearly they are reeling from Dubas' dismissal, and clearly they are friends with KD. 2 weeks ago they were ok with Shanahan. Now they are distrusting of anything Shanny does/says.

Now Siegel is interviewing anonymous MLSE employees who worked with Dubas and are "in mourning". I'm sorry? They are mourning? Yeah. Dubas must have been a nice guy, but doesn't Siegel know what pro sports is like? Did the MLSE employees think that a team who wins 1 playoff round in 7 attempts isn't going to last?

I think this is petty stuff and I can't believe that Mirtle/Siegel can't handle this.

Perhaps they were too close to Dubas and perhaps they need to go with Dubas (report on the Penguins?).

What they are doing seems to be so fan-like, and not disassociated journalism.

They need to get it together. This new campaign against Shanny is hilarious and shows they are lamenting what went on.

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[GoodNewfieBoy]

It’s really embarrassing. You’d honestly think someone died. Legit people “in mourning”. I hope those same people get canned. There’s enough soft play on the ice, don’t need soft people off of it too

 

[rocketman588]

It's pretty obvious that there was a significant portion of the Toronto sports media that was getting their info directly from Kyle and are now panicking

 

[Brobust]

Don't really care about a sports journalist's opinion.

But I will say that all this nebulous talk of Shanny blocking moves and not letting Dubas build his team is kind of sad. The same people screaming about too many Greyhounds on the roster suddenly believe that it was Shanny's team all along?

 

[Eye Test]

yeah because they had it easy while probably being overpaid as well lmao. I’d be mourning too if my free cake walk was over.

 

[Brobust]

It's pretty obvious that there was a significant portion of the Toronto sports media that was getting their info directly from Kyle and are now panicking

That's not it. Dubas never gave up anything. And I don't believe all this nonsense is because of Dubas at all.

The general direction of this team's coverage is that whatever they do is bad. Listen to Siegel's podcasts before the TDL. He thought the leafs were handcuffed and wouldn't make any moves.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

To be honest, when you start hearing names like Chiarelli and Bergevin it's easy to go into mourning.

 

[Menzinger]

I think it's definitely fair to say someone like Jonas has a pro Dubas bias - and he's far from the only Toronto media type that has a sympathetic view of him.

It's also not someone like Jonas: job to prop up Shanny/MLSE's version of events either.

In relation, people have been throwing a lot of hate towards Chris Johnson here the past few days because he reported some news they didn't want to hear about Shanny's reluctance to move any of the core four. They're not just here to make fans feel good with their reports

 

[BertCorbeau]

Who really cares? Generally speaking the Toronto media sucks.

 

[Squiffy]

Do you hold it to be untrue, or just don't like that it was reported?

I mean, pretty inconsequential article, I'd agree, but in 2023 in Toronto after the Gm gets fired someone is reporting on how the front office staff is taking it. Who cares?

This place needs to stop separating the world in to pro and anti Dubas. Has the whole 5 years been like this?

 

[Jmo89]

Don't really care about a sports journalist's opinion.

But I will say that all this nebulous talk of Shanny blocking moves and not letting Dubas build his team is kind of sad. The same people screaming about too many Greyhounds on the roster suddenly believe that it was Shanny's team all along?

The funny thing about that is that if all of the moves the past 5 years are secretly Shanahan, then the diehard Dubas supporters should be happy. Shanahan is still here.

It goes to show that there are a number of people are Dubas fans not Leafs fans.

 

[wingman75]

Add James Myrtle to that cult as well. I haven't heard or seen anything from Masters, but Siegal and Myrtle have been unbearable. I used to like those two, A LOT, but I have definitely lost some respect for them in the way they have been reporting over the past week.

The only thing that would be more pathetic than their reporting, is if the comments they are reporting on are true with respect to 'mourning' and 'devastation'. If this organization is so fragile that it falls apart simply with the GM not being renewed, heaven help us.

Maybe it is some to trim some more of the fat that contributed to not getting the job done. If they are that broken up about it, submit your resignation like Spezza... otherwise, act like a grownup and do your effin jobs.

 

[rocketman588]

That's not it. Dubas never gave up anything. And I don't believe all this nonsense is because of Dubas at all.

The general direction of this team's coverage is that whatever they do is bad. Listen to Siegel's podcasts before the TDL. He thought the leafs were handcuffed and wouldn't make any moves.

You have to be mega naive at this point to believe Dubas wasn't leaking to half the Toronto media

 

[ACC1224]

Who really cares? Generally speaking the Toronto media sucks.

It’s always been a puzzling thing that people continually pay so much attention to something they dislike so much. What do they get out of it?

 

[Kaladin]

I think Kyper and Bourne had the right take on this hysteria. Everyone in "mourning" is coming from a place of insecurity. As long as the GM wasn't getting fired for years of mediocrity they felt their jobs were probably safe too. Now that the first domino has fallen everyone knows their time is ticking. Which is why you're getting stories like this.

Leafs fan rejoice. Change is good. Sure, things could get worse in the regular season maybe but they can literally only get better in the post season which is all that matters. And if they don't make the post season for me it's the same as if they make it to the 1st round and crash out every year anyways. Only upside from my point of view. I'm not anti-Dubas or pro-Shanahan, I'm anti-years of stagnation and coddling of failure. Shanahan should leave soon too if he is committed to keeping this failure of a core together at all costs too.

 

[LeafGrief]

The army of professional bloggers that has emerged in the last decade are very safely ignored. They write fun little pump-up articles to get the homer in you going, but it's not particularly compelling or insightful. After years of boosting this team and it going nowhere, they're certainly struggling for relevance/credibility and I think Dubas going tells them that in very clear terms.

 

[3blizzard4]

Clearly they are reeling from Dubas' dismissal, and clearly they are friends with KD. 2 weeks ago they were ok with Shanahan. Now they are distrusting of anything Shanny does/says.

Now Siegel is interviewing anonymous MLSE employees who worked with Dubas and are "in mourning". I'm sorry? They are mourning? Yeah. Dubas must have been a nice guy, but doesn't Siegel know what pro sports is like? Did the MLSE employees think that a team who wins 1 playoff round in 7 attempts isn't going to last?

I think this is petty stuff and I can't believe that Masters/Siegel can't handle this.

Perhaps they were too close to Dubas and perhaps they need to go with Dubas (report on the Penguins?).

What they are doing seems to be so fan-like, and not disassociated journalism.

They need to get it together. This new campaign against Shanny is hilarious and shows they are lamenting what went on.

Mourning? Who died?

 

[Brobust]

You have to be mega naive at this point to believe Dubas wasn't leaking to half the Toronto media

Seriously? We never got a single leak under Dubas. The O'Reilly trade was announced at around 11PM on a Friday night and not a single Toronto reporter had a clue that it was going down. The only deal that was foreshadowed was McCabe/Lafferty and that was by the TSN people.

On top of that. Even the more pro Dubas journalist kept on about blowing up the core for at least 3 seasons now.

 

[The Masters]

Born a moron, you die a moron

 

[TakeTheBody]

It's like politics. If buy 100% into either side of Shanahan/Dubas or 100% into a political party you're a fool. The truth always lies someplace in the middle. Leaders lie.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Ah another Pro/Anti Dubas thread.



TBH feels like people here are grieving the fact when the new GM is here can't start these anymore

 

[Leafed]

Shanny's press conference was not a great look. He relayed too much that should've been kept private, sewering Dubas.

And in his own words, he had decided that Dubas was the right guy for the job. He then, a day later after negotiations, scrambled and made an emotional decision to change course with no backup plan in sight ahead of a very important couple of months for the future of the franchise.

He answers to the board and their preferences, but it was a move made without any foresight.

 

[Legion34]

Don't really care about a sports journalist's opinion.

But I will say that all this nebulous talk of Shanny blocking moves and not letting Dubas build his team is kind of sad. The same people screaming about too many Greyhounds on the roster suddenly believe that it was Shanny's team all along?

This. Half the roster is ex soo or his literal clients.

What the holy hell did shanny block?

 

[ULF_55]

What they are doing seems to be so fan-like, and not disassociated journalism.

Hint: 2023

Can you point me to an unbiased source of anything in the media?

Social Media in open society is a complete cesspool.

I'd be fine if most of the media, half the team, and the entire MLSE staff, and 25% of the Husnock were eliminated.

 

[nuck]

It gets the clicks and the reads. They have nothing fresh on the future so they talk about the recent past. These guys have always been more about the fluff but they're not exactly Editor in Leaf either.
I read them but they aren't where I get my news. Once a new GM is in place they will realign to that guy.