OOT Scoreboard 2024-25 season - part II

[Bleedred]

They've had 3 coaches that their core has quit on, Jon Cooper is not going there. Sure Sullivan might but maybe even he might be hesitant after seeing Quinn/Gallant/Lavi not being able to get through that core. The coach was/is never their problem. It's their core, it was evident when they lost to us in 2023. Also Cooper/Sullivan will get better job offers than NYR

I honestly think Gallant sucks as coach and kind of was a problem. He never lasts 3 years anywhere.

Lavi is just whatever. I agree he’s really not a problem.

Quinn was a joke head coach, both there and San Jose, but he was only there because of the “Retool”. In fact, he’s maybe one of two head coaches they’ve had in decades who wasn’t a big name and only on his first NHL head coaching job. The other was Bryan Trottier back in 2002 and he didn’t last even an entire season. He was a huge name, just not as a head coach.

The Rangers have a history of always going for the biggest name head coach they can get. And that’s why Knoblauch is in the Edmonton right now and not with them.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Tampa would be dumb as hell to get rid of Cooper. Probably the best coach in the league for more than a decade, hands down.

 

[NJDevs26]

They've had 3 coaches that their core has quit on, Jon Cooper is not going there. Sure Sullivan might but maybe even he might be hesitant after seeing Quinn/Gallant/Lavi not being able to get through that core. The coach was/is never their problem. It's their core, it was evident when they lost to us in 2023. Also Cooper/Sullivan will get better job offers than NYR

What big jobs are coming open soon with teams more perennially win now than the Rangers? Maybe Edmonton if they flame out early? Toronto and us just changed coaches, Carolina just signed Brindy long term, maybe they see a West rebuilder with a younger big name like Bedard or Celebrini as more appealing long term but those teams still have a long way to go. Nashville may come open but they sure as **** aren’t a more appealing destination short or long term.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

I honestly think Gallant sucks as coach and kind of was a problem. He never lasts 3 years anywhere.

Lavi is just whatever. I agree he’s really not a problem.

Quinn was a joke head coach, both there and San Jose, but he was only there because of the “Retool”. In fact, he’s maybe one of two head coaches they’ve had in decades who wasn’t a big name and only on his first NHL head coaching job. The other was Bryan Trottier back in 2002 and he didn’t last even an entire season. He was a huge name, just not as a head coach.

The Rangers have a history of always going for the biggest name head coach they can get. And that’s why Knoblauch is in the Edmonton right now and not with them.

Gallant sucks, yes, but when your core has consistently ran through coaches like it's nothing then maybe it's time for some self evaluation that it's not the coach who can't get results. FWIW, Lavi and Gallant had them in Game 6's of the ECF where the core completely shut off and died. No coach worth anything is going there, they're going to have to do a teardown and rebuild it back up which neither Sullivan or Cooper would sign up for. Those two guys are going to go where teams are already built and are looking for the next step.

What big jobs are coming open soon with teams more perennially win now than the Rangers? Maybe Edmonton if they flame out early? Toronto and us just changed coaches, Carolina just signed Brindy long term, maybe they see a West rebuilder with a younger big name like Bedard or Celebrini as more appealing long term but those teams still have a long way to go. Nashville may come open but they sure as **** aren’t a more appealing destination short or long term.

That core is beyond rotten, who cares. They're going to be behind the Canes/Devils for the next decade roster wise. Why can't Sullivan go to TB if Cooper leaves and Cooper out West to say like the Avs? There were rumblings that Bednar would get tossed after their slow start and it's clear their management isn't content with being a middling team. Just saying the Rangers for everything on this board is mind boggling and PTSD lol

 

[NjDevsRR]

Yeah, Igor currently masks a lot of warts the Rangers have. They have been playing better but a lot of their wins lately was mainly Igor being a wall.

As far as standings watching goes. We still really only care about NYR and CBJ due to the playoff format. Metro 3 is still in Devils control.

Some upcoming help by Vegas and Dallas would be nice. Thats the next two opponents for Lumbus.

 

[NJDevs26]

Well any coach going there knows he IS going to have Igor for 7-8 years. You guys underestimate the appeal of knowing management will spend and be in it to win and a goalie that can make you a contender any year with a half decent team, not to mention the whole 'bright lights' appeal of the NYC Original Six job to begin with.

If anything, the best argument against the Ranger job is Drury and not the actual roster. Any coach with Sullivan or Cooper's track record is going to want final say or at least a voice in the room with personnel decisions, and I doubt that happens with the Rangers as long as Dolan lets Drury get away with bloody murder.

 

[MadDevil]

Friedman has lost his mind with these abbreviations.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Friedman has lost his mind with these abbreviations.

My brain literally melted until I figured out Minnesota

 

[jkrdevil]

The Utah goal horn sounds like our old one from the Meadowlands.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Well any coach going there knows he IS going to have Igor for 7-8 years. You guys underestimate the appeal of knowing management will spend and be in it to win and a goalie that can make you a contender any year with a half decent team, not to mention the whole 'bright lights' appeal of the NYC Original Six job to begin with.

If anything, the best argument against the Ranger job is Drury and not the actual roster. Any coach with Sullivan or Cooper's track record is going to want final say or at least a voice in the room with personnel decisions, and I doubt that happens with the Rangers as long as Dolan lets Drury get away with bloody murder.

I mean the roster is also god awful for the most part and needs a tear down. Shesterkin being there isn't a plus carrying a dead core, that's what we did with Schneider and look where that got us. I don't see a Stanley Cup winning coach going there unless they get paid absurdly well which can obviously happen.

 

[NJDevs26]

I mean the roster is also god awful for the most part and needs a tear down. Shesterkin being there isn't a plus carrying a dead core, that's what we did with Schneider and look where that got us. I don't see a Stanley Cup winning coach going there unless they get paid absurdly well which can obviously happen.

A) We know they always pay to get rid of their mistakes and find suckers for their contracts

B) We didn’t have a dead core, we had a dead roster. You can fix the core by trades and moving pieces around but a bad roster requires the long rebuild

You guys have been predicting the Rangers’ imminent demise for like two decades and they’ve been relevant for like 3/4 of that. Even after the letter and the temporary rebuild they pulled out of that in a hurry with Fox and big names finagling themselves over.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

A) We know they always pay to get rid of their mistakes and find suckers for their contracts

B) We didn’t have a dead core, we had a dead roster. You can fix the core by trades and moving pieces around but a bad roster requires the long rebuild

You guys have been predicting the Rangers’ imminent demise for like two decades and they’ve been relevant for like 3/4 of that. Even after the letter and the temporary rebuild they pulled out of that in a hurry with Fox and big names finagling themselves over.

I don't think the Rangers are done, they'll be relevant for as long as they have Igor. But they're also not this same team half this board has PTSD with. Their 1C that they have to pay 8.5 till 2030 has completely CHECKED out so have most of their veterans. This board shits on our core for not doing anything yet profusely while the Rags core has checked out on three coaches but we somehow think just because they're the Rangers they'll be fine. The original 6 teams don't have the same aura as the once did.

It's fine understand who NYR is but it's a completely different thing to always think things will break for them.

 

[Triumph]

I mean the roster is also god awful for the most part and needs a tear down. Shesterkin being there isn't a plus carrying a dead core, that's what we did with Schneider and look where that got us. I don't see a Stanley Cup winning coach going there unless they get paid absurdly well which can obviously happen.

The Rangers' roster is not god awful and does not need a tear down. It has a horrible 1C, which they can probably fob off somewhere soon, they'll take a hit for doing so, but the Rangers can always attract the best free agents possible and that helps. They're just in the middle. Advocating for them to tear it down makes no sense at all, even if they didn't have Shesterkin, they're not a team that should be tearing things down.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

The Rangers' roster is not god awful and does not need a tear down. It has a horrible 1C, which they can probably fob off somewhere soon, they'll take a hit for doing so, but the Rangers can always attract the best free agents possible and that helps.

Zibanejad has a NMC, he isn't going anywhere, they can't "just lob him off somewhere", lmao. And it is awful in the sense they're supposed to be competing in this window and their core is shell shocked/falling off. Shesterkin's extension hasn't kicked in, the backend is porous and they have maybe 1-2 guys coming up front in their lineup. The free agency path surely has helped them win a Cup before, great strategy to do it again. It's just Devils fans PTSD from the last decade + talking. The Devils and Canes are better teams situated for the next decade + too

 

[Triumph]

Zibanejad has a NMC, he isn't going anywhere, they can't "just lob him off somewhere", lmao.

When teams want players to move, they move. It's that simple. It doesn't always happen right away, but an NMC is merely an agreement that Zibanejad doesn't have to go somewhere he doesn't want to go. The idea of an NMC preventing this GM from moving a player is absurd.

And it is awful in the sense they're supposed to be competing in this window and their core is shell shocked/falling off. Shesterkin's extension hasn't kicked in, the backend is porous and they have maybe 1-2 guys coming up front in their lineup. The free agency path surely has helped them win a Cup before, great strategy to do it again. It's just Devils fans PTSD from the last decade + talking. The Devils and Canes are better teams situated for the next decade + too

This is a whole lot different than 'this team should be torn down'. I agree that they're not trending towards a Stanley Cup, but they have Shesterkin, and they will have money to work with in the off-season. Nobody would tear down a franchise in this spot even if their goaltender was awful - not with Fox and Cuylle and Lafreniere and Schneider and Miller in the fold.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Zibanejad has a NMC, he isn't going anywhere, they can't "just lob him off somewhere", lmao. And it is awful in the sense they're supposed to be competing in this window and their core is shell shocked/falling off. Shesterkin's extension hasn't kicked in, the backend is porous and they have maybe 1-2 guys coming up front in their lineup. The free agency path surely has helped them win a Cup before, great strategy to do it again. It's just Devils fans PTSD from the last decade + talking. The Devils and Canes are better teams situated for the next decade + too

I think the Rangers can indeed move Zib when the time comes. It’s going to be a very uncomfortable split but they will put pressure on the Zib camp until he eventually accepts. And some basement team somewhere will take it on. Rangers will have to send some stuff the other way and take on some cap, but it will happen.

Maybe not, but I think the above is the much more likely scenario than Zibanejad playing out his contract in NY

 

[NJDevs26]

Not to mention there’s too much parity in this league to think even merely a good team can’t win, and there aren’t a lot of great teams out there. Fewer still with imminent openings

 

[Oneiro]

Rangers are in the ships passing in the night phase. Even if they were to restock or crash and draft a few great prospects (which they have basically never done), Fox and Shesterkin won't be the same.

What Washington has done is highly unusual. I can't remember the last time I saw an effective re-tool. But the good news for us is that I think a lot of GMs will take the wrong lesson from that.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Rangers are in the ships passing in the night phase. Even if they were to restock or crash and draft a few great prospects (which they have basically never done), Fox and Shesterkin won't be the same.

What Washington has done is highly unusual. I can't remember the last time I saw an effective re-tool. But the good news for us is that I think a lot of GMs will take the wrong lesson from that.

Were the Blues a few years back a retool or am I misremembering

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

When teams want players to move, they move. It's that simple. It doesn't always happen right away, but an NMC is merely an agreement that Zibanejad doesn't have to go somewhere he doesn't want to go. The idea of an NMC preventing this GM from moving a player is absurd.



This is a whole lot different than 'this team should be torn down'. I agree that they're not trending towards a Stanley Cup, but they have Shesterkin, and they will have money to work with in the off-season. Nobody would tear down a franchise in this spot even if their goaltender was awful - not with Fox and Cuylle and Lafreniere and Schneider and Miller in the fold.

And they'll lose any trade for the sake of just trading Zibanejad, Drury also has shown no sort of GM wit to make me fear them as a I once did. Like @Oneiro just said, re-tools like Washington are absurdly rare when you have a locked in core. And once again, Drury doesn't have the GM chops to execute such a re-tool. The dude gave Will Borgen a stupid extension just so he can probably say the Kakko trade wasn't a waste in the short and long term.

I think the Rangers can indeed move Zib when the time comes. It’s going to be a very uncomfortable split but they will put pressure on the Zib camp until he eventually accepts. And some basement team somewhere will take it on. Rangers will have to send some stuff the other way and take on some cap, but it will happen.

Maybe not, but I think the above is the much more likely scenario than Zibanejad playing out his contract in NY

Until it happens, we have no reason to think it will happen in regards to Zibanejad waiving his NMC

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Not to mention there’s too much parity in this league to think even merely a good team can’t win, and there aren’t a lot of great teams out there. Fewer still with imminent openings

They're not better than the 5-6 teams off the top of my head short term and long term in the East. Their entire case to win a Cup is Shesterkin pulling a 2003 JSG, if you want to worry about that happening then be my guest.

Were the Blues a few years back a retool or am I misremembering

18-19 Blues weren't a retool but a failed core for the past 5-7 years that got an elite ROR because Buffalo never has anything good happen to them + one of the greatest goalie performances of the past 2 decades outside of 2003 JSG and 2012 Quick. Again, they're not a team you can truly model a team after lol. Their closest modern day comparison results wise is probably the Hurricanes

 

[Oneiro]

Yeah. I don't consider the Blues w/ ROR and a great rookie in Binnington to be a retool. I guess I'd say Winnipeg is the most similar to them in terms of frustration.

I've said it before but the Blues and Bruins are exactly what you don't want to do, which is rely on a legendary goaltending performance and de-emphasize the kind of skill that can break through in stalemate games.