OOT Scoreboard 2022-23

[Guttersniped]

Yeah, I thought so. I swore Lewis was on the ice for that goal?

You were very likely watching closer than me in the beginning, I just got who was on ice from the score sheet. So you saw the lines.

It was partial line change so 22 (Lewis) was already off and 88 (Mangiapane) was on with Backlund (11) and Huberdeau (10).

Calgary players are the numbers on the end.

You aren’t crazy!

 

[billingtons ghost]

For what it's worth, the Islanders did get a little younger in the offseason.

I know we all love Andy Greene, but he was not NHL caliber last year and it's debatable whether he was the year before that.

Chara was a dinosaur chasing records last year. He was not at all NHL caliber last year.

Those are two pretty big, old and very slow drains and anchors on the back end that really needed to go away.

At least 33% of their defense now aren't a lethal combination of BAD and OLD. They might have some not so great defensemen back there, but they aren't ancient like those two were.

Lou's deal for Romanov made them better alone.. more time for Dobson too

 

[Bleedred]

Columbus already gave up and turned this into “let the kids play” year. They’re bad and injury riddled, no point in a in-season firing.

I feel like the Kings could do better under another coach.

They look like total mess half the time, and I feel like they should be better at this point, but I might be influenced by someone calling their coach a f***ing loser all the time.

Boudreau is a lame duck coach who likely won’t be replaced mid-season because they don’t want to pay three coaches. They probably will throw in the towel and accept their fate but Bruce is practically pissing on JR’s shoes and that’s fun.

Mike Yeo is right there, like the Angel of Assistant Coach Death, waiting for his third(?) stint as a Interim Head Coach.

DJ Smith is probably safe because they might as well wait until the new owner fires all these losers.

The Ducks will give up the most goals in the history of mankind and Gibson will end up a broken gibbering Renfield-esque madman but it’s a tank I guess so who cares.

Craig Berube? George Gallant if Dolan is still paying attention to the Rangers?

I didn't know this until a couple weeks ago, but Brad Larsen is like the Blue Jackets John MacLean. I think I said he's been with the organization since like 2010 as an assistant for the AHL team? Then he became AHL head coach, then I guess he was promoted to NHL assistant and he's been on the main NHL coaching staff since like 2014? Then he got promoted to head coach after Torts was fired.

I feel like Todd will get this entirety of this season from the Kings, just for making the playoffs last year. I'd have to imagine he would have been fired after last year if they didn't make the playoffs? Only DJ Smith and Dallas Eakins have lasted at least 3 years with no playoff berths. Blashill lasted like 5 or 6 before finally being booted in the offseason.

I don't think Yeo was an interim with the Blues. The plan was for him to take over for Hitchcock a year in advance, but Hitchcock didn't survive the entirety of that year, so Yeo had to take over about a half a season earlier.

Berube? I would think he's pretty safe, just like Sullivan in Pittsburgh (maybe not quite as safe as Sullivan) but it has been a long time since they've really done anything there. Actually they just won a round last year? I think it was their first since the cup, but maybe they won one of those dopey play-in rounds in the bubble playoffs? I clearly remember Binnington was stuck on zero playoff wins since the cup clincher, until last year. Berube was just extended, but that doesn't guarantee anything other than he'll get paid whether he's still working there or not.

Gallant is probably safe for at least another year, but look out this time next year. That seems to be about when he usually gets fired. He will almost definitely be on fire watch this time next year. About two years and some change into his stint is typically when he goes. We're only just one year and some change in at the moment.

 

[Bleedred]

By the way, is Patrik Allvin mute or something? All you ever hear from up there is Rutherford. I know the team president is one rank above the general manager on teams where it's not the same guy in both positions, but you at least hear the GM give pressers more than you do in Vancouver, where it's almost always Rutherford talking to the media.

 

[Goptor]

There has to be something going on between the coach and management in Vancouver. It seems like Bruce wants the team to play one way and JR wants them to play a different way. Its seeped down to the players and now nobody knows what they should be doing.

Thats a team that should really be recycling their players to accumulate as much talent as possible. For some reason the owner brought in Rutherford, who's master plan is never thought out past the next 3 months. He's now committed to an older core of players that has made the playoffs once and that was only because covid opened up extra playoff spots.

 

[Bleedred]

I feel like McLellan has been in L.A. forever, but I checked and this is only his 4th year there (I swear it feels like he's been there 10 years). I absolutely agree that they could do better. I don't know if I'm being fair to the guy, but for a franchise that is supposed to have one of the best prospect pools in the league, I feel that quite a few of their guys (Byfield, Turcotte) haven't developed the way they wanted, and I wonder how much of the blame could be placed on McLellan (it looks like Villardi finally broke out though).

I think he's pretty JAG at best. He's lucked into a lot of STACKED rosters before LA. He had the Sharks in their best years and they never made the SCF. I'm not saying a better coach gets them to the SCF, as much as I'm saying those were powerhouse teams and he really shouldn't get credit for it.

He also got McDavid in Edmonton. Inherited a lot of the leftover bad players there and didn't have good goalies, but I don't think he was doing anything to help make them better.

He always struck me as a clown with the Sharks. He was also on their hot seat forever, but somehow survived the reverse sweep in 2014, Looking back on it I think that was a brilliant move by Doug Wilson to cover his own ass. That move bought Doug Wilson more time. If he had fired McLellan after that playoff series loss and they still missed the playoffs in 14-15 under a new coach? He might very well get fired in the summer of 2015. I really believe he would have. But he brought back Todd for one more year and they missed the playoffs and it was easy for Doug Wilson to say ''Okay! I'm throwing in the towel on Todd! Let's try this with a different head coach!''. If he had fired him the year before and they missed the playoffs like they did with him, I don't think he would have been the GM in 15-16 when they made the cup finals. And that cup finals and another conference finals appearance 3 years later bought him more time before he stepped down for health reasons last year.

Todd once said after a matinee game out East that started at 1:00 PM EST that it was like playing a 10:00 AM game at home. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't even their first game on the trip. It was so cringy. I've looked for the quote or presser and can't seem to ever find it.

And then I remember in the lockout year I think it was? His post game in a terrible effort was him saying (he looked drunk, he sounded drunk, he had to be drunk) ''Well I didn't think we played badly''. It made me think of what a drunk guy would say and how they would act after being pulled over. ''Well, I'm not drunk officer!''.

And really there was one guy on the Sharks board that loved him so much and was worried than Anaheim would hire him (it turns out LA did instead!) and we'd constantly go back and forth about him.

Eddie Olczyk said during the stadium series game the Kings and Sharks played in 2015 something like ''Well, Todd McLellan, who's an elite coach in the league'' and I remember saying ''At least the coach is elite, right?'' in the GDT and he got so mad about it.

 

[Devs3cups]

They're missing the key element to pull that off, which is a top ranked PP.

Yup. I was looking at last year’s advanced metrics and it’s actually wild to look at the Rangers’ metrics. 24th in CF%, 20th in SF%, 11th in xGA (2nd in actual GA), 23rd in SCF%, 17th in HDCF%. We were better than them in almost every stat here.

An almost MVP goaltending performance and a lethal PP can do all the difference. Shesterkin and their PP were incredible. 34 goals saved above expected for Igor and over 25% on the PP.

 

[Bleedred]

There has to be something going on between the coach and management in Vancouver. It seems like Bruce wants the team to play one way and JR wants them to play a different way. Its seeped down to the players and now nobody knows what they should be doing.

Thats a team that should really be recycling their players to accumulate as much talent as possible. For some reason the owner brought in Rutherford, who's master plan is never thought out past the next 3 months. He's now committed to an older core of players that has made the playoffs once and that was only because covid opened up extra playoff spots.

He's one of the most overrated GM's of all time and I said it after the Pittsburgh cup wins. I caught a lot of shit for it too.

His resume before Pittsburgh was GARBAGE. Yeah, he already won a cup, but they did a lot losing in the years they didn't make the cup finals. When he came in the door in Pittsburgh he didn't seem to know what he was doing. It really felt like that wasn't gonna be a long GM tenure during his first year there. I remember he got huffy with some of the reporters during his first year there. For some reason I think it might have been in an elevator or something? I remember something like that happening.

He also hired a big, NOBODY head coach in Mike Johnston (wasn't that his name?) who never coached in the NHL before (I don't think?) and I know he ain't coached in the NHL after. And he had to fire him a couple months into ths season season. Sullivan took over (that was probably one of the best moves Rutherford has made in his entire career) and they won the cup, with their HOF core who had all been there at least 10 years, as well as a bunch of Shero's guys that were drafted under him. And Rutherford seemed to get ALL the credit for that and Shero got none. At least not from Pens fans.

And then after all that, Rutherford left Pittsburgh under some really weird circumstances that we still don't know what happened. Did that ever even come out why he abruptly left in the middle of the 2020-2021 season? I remember him saying ''Personal reasons'' which led me to believe that he was probably done with being an NHL front office person, especially being well into his 70's now.

But then he resurfaces in the very same calendar year in Vancouver.

 

[Guttersniped]

By the way, is Patrik Allvin mute or something? All you ever hear from up there is Rutherford. I know the team president is one rank above the general manager on teams where it's not the same guy in both positions, but you at least hear the GM give pressers more than you do in Vancouver, where it's almost always Rutherford talking to the media.

It feels like Rutherford keeps Allvin locked in a closet somewhere at this point.

They have some excellent players but it is has to be the most depressing team to root for, new management came in and nothing really changed.

They just have a old guy who won’t shut the f*** up now and he’s negging their team instead of fixing it.

 

[Bleedred]

It feels like Rutherford keeps Allvin locked in a closet somewhere at this point.

They have some excellent players but had to be the most depressing team to root for, new management came in a nothing really changed.

They just have a old guy who won’t shut the f*** up now negging their team instead of fixing it.

It's really weird. It's almost like he's Allvin's translator. I wonder if they only even brought in a GM and it wasn't Rutherford in both roles because of how old he is? And maybe he doesn't plan to be there very long.

It was widely believed at the time that his tenure in Pittsburgh wouldn't be a long one and that he was just a transition guy between Shero and a long term solution. He was already mid 60's then and it didn't seem like it was gonna go on for 6 or 7 years, but the two cups seemed to throw a wrench into that.

 

[Guttersniped]

He's one of the most overrated GM's of all time and I said it after the Pittsburgh cup wins. I caught a lot of shit for it too.

His resume before Pittsburgh was GARBAGE. Yeah, he already won a cup, but they did a lot losing in the years they didn't make the cup finals. When he came in the door in Pittsburgh he didn't seem to know what he was doing. It really felt like that wasn't gonna be a long GM tenure during his first year there. I remember he got huffy with some of the reporters during his first year there. For some reason I think it might have been in an elevator or something? I remember something like that happening.

He also hired a big, NOBODY head coach in Mike Johnston (wasn't that his name?) who never coached in the NHL before (I don't think?) and I know he ain't coached in the NHL after. And he had to fire him a couple months into ths season season. Sullivan took over (that was probably one of the best moves Rutherford has made in his entire career) and they won the cup, with their HOF core who had all been there at least 10 years, as well as a bunch of Shero's guys that were drafted under him. And Rutherford seemed to get ALL the credit for that and Shero got none. At least not from Pens fans.

And then after all that, Rutherford left Pittsburgh under some really weird circumstances that we still don't know what happened. Did that ever even come out why he abruptly left in the middle of the 2020-2021 season? I remember him saying ''Personal reasons'' which led me to believe that he was probably done with being an NHL front office person, especially being well into his 70's now.

But then he resurfaces in the very same calendar year in Vancouver.

But Bro!

 

[Nubmer6]

You aren’t crazy!

Umm...

 

[My3Sons]

You were very likely watching closer than me in the beginning, I just got who was on ice from the score sheet. So you saw the lines.

It was partial line change so 22 (Lewis) was already off and 88 (Mangiapane) was on with Backlund (11) and Huberdeau (10).

Calgary players are the numbers on the end.

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You aren’t crazy!

Of course he is. @Bleedred is always going off his meds and demanding NJ bring back Schneider or extend Blackwood for like nine years. He’s certifiable.

 

[Guttersniped]

Of course he is. @Bleedred is always going off his meds and demanding NJ bring back Schneider or extend Blackwood for like nine years. He’s certifiable.

Well, I could have specified I only meant that in relation to his ability to know which lines are playing (and maybe not his ability to process our goaltending struggles) but I pride myself on being a nice poster.

 

[Dialamo]

Good night so far for the OOT. Pens and Caps lose in regulation. The only wart: Flyers - CBJ looks like it's gonna be a 3 pointer.

 

[Saugus]

Who cares about the out of town scores when we don't lose?!

 

[glenwo2]

Who cares about the out of town scores when we don't lose?!

true 'dat.

Still funny that Philly just lost in OT.....to the Blue Jackets, though.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Good night so far for the OOT. Pens and Caps lose in regulation. The only wart: Flyers - CBJ looks like it's gonna be a 3 pointer.

Don't mind this at all, Flyers are worse than their record so they'll fall quickly + CBJ winning is worse for their Bedard chances. Other two are big though.

 

[jkrdevil]

Good night so far for the OOT. Pens and Caps lose in regulation. The only wart: Flyers - CBJ looks like it's gonna be a 3 pointer.

Flyers-CBJ being a three pointer is a great result!

 

[jkrdevil]

God the West is terrible. The Preds are now just a point back of a playoff spot.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Man Buffalo and Ottawa's hot starts really evaporated.

Detroit still hanging tough though.

 

[Dialamo]

Don't mind this at all, Flyers are worse than their record so they'll fall quickly + CBJ winning is worse for their Bedard chances. Other two are big though.

Flyers-CBJ being a three pointer is a great result!

Good points, I didn't consider that. Great night!

 

[Bleedred]

God the West is terrible. The Preds are now just a point back of a playoff spot.

Didn't you hear? They're a contender.

 

[Devils090]

Flyers-CBJ being a three pointer is a great result!

Get those two as far away from Bedard as possible

 

[markog]