OOT Scoreboard 2021/22 Season Part IIl
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Yeah it can still go downhill for him with 31 games left but just basing on how he's played so far it's truly out of this world and I completely agree he's the Hart frontrunner.
MoneyPuck has data going back to 08-09. Min 25 games there's been 8 seasons above a GSAx/60 of 0.600.
There's been 4 seasons in the .600 range. One of them is this year's Bob so we'll see how that goes
There's been 2 in the .700s. Thomas' absurd Vezina year and also Freddy this year so we'll see how that one turns out.
There's been one season in the .800s and that was Cory in that 10-11 Thomas Vezina year. Cory had exactly an .800 in exactly 25 games.
Igor this year has a .910 and that's before they updated it to include tonights game which will raise it since he had a 1.07 GSAx.
Even Price's Hart year was only a .510.
If he can keep up a similar level of play to this and finish the year with 50-55 games he'll have a very strong argument for the greatest goaltending season of all time. It'd be between 99 Hasek and this year for me. It'd likely come down to the playoffs and Igor would have to try and match up to Hasek carrying those Sabres to a Brett Hull foot in the crease
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If you're still not yet convinced Grubauer has been a HUGE PROBLEM in Seattle this year, stop being lazy and go and watch all 117 of the goals scored on him this year and you'll find MANY stinkers.
I still find more on Koskinen (or at least a higher percentage on Koskinen and maybe one or two other guys, but the number on Grubauer is higher though) but Grubauer is just about at 40 (39) on my stoppable goal count and only 3 other guys have even hit 30.
That OT goal was a terrible stinker and ruined what looked like it might have been arguably his best game of the season.
Edit - I just looked at my list and tonight is 40 goals I’ve nailed him on. Not 39. Ouch.
I still find more on Koskinen (or at least a higher percentage on Koskinen and maybe one or two other guys, but the number on Grubauer is higher though) but Grubauer is just about at 40 (39) on my stoppable goal count and only 3 other guys have even hit 30.
That OT goal was a terrible stinker and ruined what looked like it might have been arguably his best game of the season.
Edit - I just looked at my list and tonight is 40 goals I’ve nailed him on. Not 39. Ouch.
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Zach Parise has surprisingly not been bad this season and is producing at a very good 3rd line rate. It took him a very long time to score his first goal, but he's been very solid and I said in the offseason that out of all those 3 ancient guys they have, he's probably the least harmful, because he's not a defenseman, nor is he as old and washed up (yet) as Greene and Chara.
You just know Lou is gonna bring him back and probably either until the wheels fall off completely or he decides to hang them up.
Speaking of wheels falling off, Chara broke the record tonight for most games played by a defenseman. So he should really just ride off into the sunset. Unless he thinks he can challenge Marleau's all time games played record.
And in order for him to do that, if my math is correct, he has to play 118 more regular season games to do it. Which means even if he were healthy and played every game the rest of this year and all 82 games next year, he would still have to sign on for the 23-24 season and play 2 games that year to do it.
You just know Lou is gonna bring him back and probably either until the wheels fall off completely or he decides to hang them up.
Speaking of wheels falling off, Chara broke the record tonight for most games played by a defenseman. So he should really just ride off into the sunset. Unless he thinks he can challenge Marleau's all time games played record.
And in order for him to do that, if my math is correct, he has to play 118 more regular season games to do it. Which means even if he were healthy and played every game the rest of this year and all 82 games next year, he would still have to sign on for the 23-24 season and play 2 games that year to do it.
Min 20 games Grubauer has a -0.785 GSAx/60. Y’know just good enough for the worst in the league. No biggie. Blackwood’s 2nd worst at -0.484
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What was pretty interesting about some of those names (but the same can't be said for other names that you've listed) was back then there wasn't as much decline in goalies that were late 20's/early 30's. Lundqvist was at the top of his game until he was about 34, Luongo's first bad season was his last season at age 39. That was the only bad season he had. He didn't have his best year in the dumb lockout shortened season, but that was a shortened season, I bet if it were an 82 game season and he played more games he would finished with a more normal (elite) stat line.
Rask did have some down years in his late 20's and early 30's, but they weren't bad years, they were just kind of above average years for a normal goalie. Then he experienced a surge in his last two seasons (not including this one where he barely played before retiring) in the league.
Cam Ward was actually the best example of a guy that back then started to decline at a younger age. He didn't have a single good or even average season after he was 28.
But now in this generation (I'm talking guys that played in the 10's decade) we saw all of Schneider, Holtby and Bobrovsky decline in their late 20's or very early 30's. Price (who is a carryover from both periods) had a really bad season at 30, bounced back the next year but remained inconsistent from year to year since that really bad year in his age 30 season.
Quick (another carryover between both periods) was just a little bit older those other guys when he fell off.
Fleury is a very strange one. Fleury was not a very good goaltender in his 20's. He had a couple good seasons, but he was not a particularly good goalie in his 20's, he was average. He was an average goalie playing behind a STACKED team. He had good years and he even had one remarkable playoff run in 2008 in a losing effort in the cup finals. And then a rather pedestrian year in the cup winning year, but he had too many stinkers in the playoffs and just too many mediocre to average seasons in his 20's. He was a BETTER goalie in his 30's than he was in his 20's. If he didn't have the best years of his career in his 30's, he might not be playing in the NHL anymore by now.
Rinne (who just had his number retired tonight) was a strange one too. Now he had some GREAT years in his late 20's. Then he FELL OFF exactly at 30. Had hip injuries, then came back one season, bounced back, Vezina finalist. Then came back the next year and played like he did in the two decline/injury riddled seasons before that comeback season.
Then, at 34 years old, FINALLY returns to the Rinne of his late 20's, the ELITE Rinne for 3 years, won his first Vezina, played in the cup finals during that time. Then he dropped off and since he was 37 years old it looked like it would probably be for good and it was. Played one more year and was decent as the clear cut backup to Saros.
Oh and I wanted to go back another decade again and talk about Vokoun, who you mentioned. He was one of the most underrated goalies of all time, due to the fact that he played on BAD teams that never had any chance of having a playoff run for the most part. The one year in Nashville right before he was shipped to Florida was the best team he ever played for until he was 36 and ended up on Pittsburgh. When he got to Pittsburgh at the very end of his career (the last season) he went out by being swept in the conference finals by Boston, with an INSANE save percentage that playoffs and series in a losing effort where I believe his team got shutout at least two of those four games? Maybe it was even 3 and then a 1 goal scored game? I even think there was a 2-1 OT loss in there or maybe even a 1-0 OT loss. This was kind of like the Devils/Rangers 97 series where Marty was INSANE, I think he had like a .940% that series, played better than he did in the Montreal series and we still lost in 5 games (the series winner was BAD though) for Vokoun that year. He was 37 (or about to turn 37) by then. He was under contract the next year, came back and got injured in preseason and never played again. I still remember the 2014 live free agent frenzy special on July 1st that afternoon where one of the guys in the studio said ''We just heard from Tomas Vokoun's agent and he says his client will be signing somewhere shortly at some point today”. A few of us here at the time thought that maybe he’d end up with the Devils to be signed as Schneider’s backup in the first post-Marty year. Then about 10 minutes later we found out that Lou had signed Scott Clemmensen. Needless to say, Vokoun signed nowhere that day, nor any day, ever again. I don’t think he even announced his retirement for quite a while after that. I wonder if his agent was putting that stuff on air to make teams that might have been interested start to worry and panic and rush to call him to make an offer.
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I remember thinking in the pre-season that if I was a newly minted Kraken fan that few things would have depressed me more than the Grubauer signing. And I didn’t think he would suck right away!
So if I was a Kraken fan, I would have hated the signing AND it would have gone preposterously way more worse then I would have ever predicted.
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Grubauer already seems like a safe answer to pencil in right now as to “Who was the first player to ever be bought out by the Seattle Kraken?”.
It feels like it’s just a question of when it happens. Which certainly won’t be after this year.
Or he could come out next year and play well again. I do think he’ll be better next year than he has been this year, I’m just not sure by how much.
And then again, maybe neither happens and he’s an eventual LTIR.
I mean, with how bad he’s been this year, an injury that keeps him off the ice for all or most of 22-23 wouldn’t be the most shocking story in the NHL for next year.
You use a cane? You should try a walker. I find when I cut holes in tennis balls and put them over the front feet of the walker it slides fairly easily when I have to get to a hockey related argument quickly.
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Wedgewood stopped 44 shots against Vegas tonight in his third consecutive start.
edit: 43 shots. They took one away. TV shot clock said 45 shots.
edit: 43 shots. They took one away. TV shot clock said 45 shots.
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No thanks , do not want yet another sub-nhl talent goalie. He might play good evey 5th - 6th game but do not want. Wait until we can get a decent #1. But we do need something better than Gilles ....
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lol , ya as much as it pains me to say it , I would actually like him back over Gilles. But still would like a better stop gap than Wedgewood
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He's not going anywhere. Tyson Nash said he will probably get his fourth consecutive start next game and will probably get most of the starts the rest of the way. Wedgie credits coach Corey Schwab for his progress.
Yotes would have to be blown away with an offer to move him.
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Wedgewood is a bad goalie
Gillies is just WAY worse.
Wedgewood has 3 shutouts here in 19 starts. Gillies has one single 1 goal against start in 12 starts here.
Gillies is just WAY worse.
Wedgewood has 3 shutouts here in 19 starts. Gillies has one single 1 goal against start in 12 starts here.
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Man, I just shots of the Lightning and Predators players arriving at the stadium. I thought the Preds guys looked great in the leather jackets and black jeans. The hats were pretty sweet too.
I don't care how rich I was, I would wear that over the suit and tie ANY DAY.
It only gets cold enough a few times a year here for me to be able to wear my leather jacket anymore. I broke it out a few days at the end of last month/early this month when we had a pretty big cold front come through for a few days and it didn't even hit 50 degrees in the day time.
I don't care how rich I was, I would wear that over the suit and tie ANY DAY.
It only gets cold enough a few times a year here for me to be able to wear my leather jacket anymore. I broke it out a few days at the end of last month/early this month when we had a pretty big cold front come through for a few days and it didn't even hit 50 degrees in the day time.
I have my old motorcycle jacket in the closet. If I wore it now I think I’d look like an old out of touch guy in a motorcycle jacket. A suit is much easier to get away with.
Really pissed I missed out on this Leafs Wings game until right now with just over 10 minutes left and it's 8-7
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Damn it's gonna take Bleed two days to go through this game
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So it looks like while the outdoor game was happening in Nashville they had a nice baseball game tonight in Detroit….
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Of course it’s the one night I’m ready to pass out before 11:00 and have reviewed nothing other than the day games and bits and points pieces I caught of the outdoor game lol.
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I remember that Flyers/Jets game simply because I think Bryzgalov had a fairly memorable post game interview.
I think there were even some memes that came out of this one. This may have even been when the bear in the woods quote happened.
It wasn’t the bear in the forest one. It was the one where he said he stunk and apologized to the fans and his defense and I think he even said couldn’t even catch a beachball if you threw one at him.
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If this is the point of no return for Jack Campbell in TOR he might be available to sign this offseason.
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