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brian_griffin said:
The constant in all that was Daboll. We’ll know in the opener If “Daboll out & Dorsey promoted” is multiplication by subtraction.
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While this is partly true - you have to give Daboll a lot of credit for the development of Allen & the transformation of the offence from one of the league's worst to one of the league's best during his tenure. Only an idiot wouldn't acknowledge it.
 
Jim Bob said:
It won't surprise me if it takes a few games for the offense to really click. The defense tends to start faster than the offense.
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Not worried about clicking. Even when not completely meshing they’ll be fine as long as they don’t have Daboll’s “too cute & too smart for himself” in red zone situations.

Where did Bills rank in red zone percentage last season, and who was best & by how much percentage better?

Rowley Birkin said:
While this is partly true - you have to give Daboll a lot of credit for the development of Allen & the transformation of the offence from one of the league's worst to one of the league's best during his tenure. Only an idiot wouldn't acknowledge it.
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I give Jordan Palmer, Dorsey, Daboll, and Allen equal-ish shares of credit.
 
brian_griffin said:
Not worried about clicking. Even when not completely meshing they’ll be fine as long as they don’t have Daboll’s “too cute & too smart for himself” in red zone situations.

Where did Bills rank in red zone percentage last season, and who was best & by how much percentage better?
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2021 NFL Team Red Zone Stats

A detailed table of the 2021 team red zone NFL stats, listing touchdown percentage and more for fantasy football research.
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It looks like the Bills offense had the best RZTD% in the NFL last season at 66.3%.
 
brian_griffin said:
I give Jordan Palmer, Dorsey, Daboll, and Allen equal-ish shares of credit.
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For Allen's development, sure. And let's not forget - the chances of Allen developing as he has done were so minute. I think some Bills fans now take that for granted.

But i think even more credit goes to Daboll for the environment, scheme, development & usage of other players on the offensive side of the ball.

He temporarily resurrected John Brown's career. Then Diggs developed from a promising but enigmatic player into one of the league's best. Beasley played the best football of his career into his 30s, Knox went from very raw prospect to 'well above average' receiving TE. Other diamonds in the rough such as Davis & McKenzie developed under his watch. I'm not saying all credit goes to Daboll... But all of this happening is no accident.

I think he's generally under appreciated by Bills fans & i hope the HC role in New Jersey isn't one step beyond him. I hope he kills it there (unless playing Buffalo ofc) .
 
Rowley Birkin said:
For Allen's development, sure. And let's not forget - the chances of Allen developing as he has done were so minute. I think some Bills fans now take that for granted.

But i think even more credit goes to Daboll for the environment, scheme, development & usage of other players on the offensive side of the ball.

He temporarily resurrected John Brown's career. Then Diggs developed from a promising but enigmatic player into one of the league's best. Beasley played the best football of his career into his 30s, Knox went from very raw prospect to 'well above average' receiving TE. Other diamonds in the rough such as Davis & McKenzie developed under his watch. I'm not saying all credit goes to Daboll... But all of this happening is no accident.

I think he's generally under appreciated by Bills fans & i hope the HC role in New Jersey isn't one step beyond him. I hope he kills it there (unless playing Buffalo ofc) .
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I think Allen's improvisational skills were a bigger impact on the offense than Daboll's usage or game planning. Daboll did have an impact on the team though. I've said it before Daboll, has the capabilities to get the most out of his players to their level, but I don't think he's a guy that gets that extra gear out of his guys (like an Andy Reid can, for example). I think what his talent level is for his roster, will dictate how much and how successful he can be. His roster talent level will carry him to success, I don't think he can carry an underwhelming roster to success.

He was a good coach for Allen for the time but besides his 2020 season, I thought his play-calling and game-planning was overall, subpar during his time here. Way too often the Bills offense (especially the running game) started out games slow and relied on Allen Superhero Ball to carry the offense.
 
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Rowley Birkin said:
For Allen's development, sure. And let's not forget - the chances of Allen developing as he has done were so minute. I think some Bills fans now take that for granted.

But i think even more credit goes to Daboll for the environment, scheme, development & usage of other players on the offensive side of the ball.

He temporarily resurrected John Brown's career. Then Diggs developed from a promising but enigmatic player into one of the league's best. Beasley played the best football of his career into his 30s, Knox went from very raw prospect to 'well above average' receiving TE. Other diamonds in the rough such as Davis & McKenzie developed under his watch. I'm not saying all credit goes to Daboll... But all of this happening is no accident.

I think he's generally under appreciated by Bills fans & i hope the HC role in New Jersey isn't one step beyond him. I hope he kills it there (unless playing Buffalo ofc) .
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I think Daboll did better from Monday-Saturday than he did on Sunday. And those other days are absolutely crucial for developing players and setting up the possibility of success. But man, sometimes his playcalling could be a bit head scratching.

But that's also why he might find success as a HC.
 
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Ace said:
So was the Pittsburgh game. And what they have in common was specifically not buying into their own hype. They called vanilla conservative show nothing offense and got burned. Their hype is unstoppable offense and QB. Three of their losses were ones where the playcalling seemed to curb them on purpose. One of them they can use the wind excuse…but like every single person not calling the game knew would happen…when they let Allen throw into the wind he could do it. But it was too late.

If anything I wish they had believed their hype more and let the offense loose more.

The counterpoint to that is that they had their two best offensive games of the year in their two playoff games when nothing was off the table. So they were right on that in the end…but just a little more and that KC game is in Buffalo instead and who knows. One of the things no one brings up in that game where two QBs dueled basically perfect games…is that one of them had to do it on the road with a hostile crowd and one didn’t. Also we were missing our best CB. …I can’t wait to try that one over.
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Fully agree with this. In both the PIT and JAX games, Daboll seemed to think that they'd just win on WR talent and Josh's ability while doing nothing but calling basic shit out of four wide/empty and had no real adjustments when it didn't work. And while a lack of execution by players isn't specifically his fault, when it's obvious something isn't working, you should probably try something else.

I also hope they go back to 2020's 4th down strategy where they had actual plays called, as opposed to last year, where it seemed like the go-to play was "get the defense to jump, snap the ball when they do, assume you have a free shot downfield"
 
I see that Shakir is listed as our starting punt returner. Interesting. McKenzie is the starter for kick off returns, which isn't surprising.

Here's the official depth chart for the LA game:



Ace said:
The difference between being the 1 seed and the 3 seed last year was Allen slipping against Tennessee on 4th and inches.

I don’t know how they were “buying into their own hype“ when they went winless in one score games.

Their biggest enemy last year was luck. And one time wind.
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I was thinking more of the Tampa game and the games before that. They flipped the switch at half time of that game, but maybe they were in a funk.

I agree on Daboll, though.
 
Dubi Doo said:
I see that Shakir is listed as our starting punt returner. Interesting. McKenzie is the starter for kick off returns, which isn't surprising.

Here's the official depth chart for the LA game:




I was thinking more of the Tampa game and the games before that. They flipped the switch at half time of that game, but maybe they were in a funk.

I agree on Daboll, though.
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Oh man that Tampa game. My God did Allen take over in the second half. I seem to recall a bad call by the refs helping to prevent them in the end too.
 
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Ace said:
Oh man that Tampa game. My God did Allen take over in the second half. I seem to recall a bad call by the refs helping to prevent them in the end too.
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The Tampa DB being allowed to haul Diggs to the ground in the end zone when it would’ve set up first and goal at the 1 while Levi Wallace got penalized for being grabbed by Mike Evans in OT was infuriating
 
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kirby11 said:
The Tampa DB being allowed to haul Diggs to the ground in the end zone when it would’ve set up first and goal at the 1 while Levi Wallace got penalized for being grabbed by Mike Evans in OT was infuriating
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That’s right! I remember when they didn’t call it on Diggs I tweeted that I guaranteed a PI call would go the other way and cost us. Because that is always the way.
 
starkravingsabres said:
Tough opener.

What's that saying again ... to be king you gotta kill the king.
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For us it’s more like….hey you know you don’t always have to play Mahomes in the playoffs right? Manning finally got past Brady and won a SuperBowl by…not having to play Brady that year. I’m fine with a scenario like this. More than fine.
 
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starkravingsabres said:
Tough opener.

What's that saying again ... to be king you gotta kill the king.
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Ace said:
For us it’s more like….hey you know you don’t always have to play Mahomes in the playoffs right? Manning finally got past Brady and won a SuperBowl by…not having to play Brady that year. I’m fine with a scenario like this. More than fine.
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I don’t view LAR as the Kings. Yes I know they are they won it all year but they are a different team and frankly could have lost any of their playoff games and are missing some pieces from that team and Stafford has questions surrounding his elbow.

But I get the analogy. We’ve gotta win games versus teams like this to make a run. Especially come January and hopefully February.

As for Mahomes, there is a part of me who wants to see them in the playoffs and put a beating on them (ex 42-10) and a part of me who, as Ace says, we can avoid them and I’ll be perfectly content.
 
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I don’t view LAR as the Kings. Yes I know they are they won it all year but they are a different team and frankly could have lost any of their playoff games and are missing some pieces from that team and Stafford has questions surrounding his elbow.

But I get the analogy. We’ve gotta win games versus teams like this to make a run. Especially come January and hopefully February.

As for Mahomes, there is a part of me who wants to see them in the playoffs and put a beating on them (ex 42-10) and a part of me who, as Ace says, we can avoid them and I’ll be perfectly content.
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Yup. Rams won the Super Bowl last year but we’re absolutely not the best team. Chiefs, Bills, Bucs we’re all “better” teams

Best team usually doesnt win the Super Bowl!
 
Dirty Dog said:
Yup. Rams won the Super Bowl last year but we’re absolutely not the best team. Chiefs, Bills, Bucs we’re all “better” teams

Best team usually doesnt win the Super Bowl!
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I actually thought the Rams were right there with the best teams, and was a bit surprised people thought whoever won the Bills-Chiefs game would cruise to a title. I did not expect the Bengals to make it, but their pass rush got hot at the right time.

The Rams had a lot of things I like in a team: Franchise QB, GREAT coaching, sick pass rush, lockdown corner, elite WR...I thought they'd give any team a run for their money. I have to pause to put them in that tier right now until I see how Stafford does. He was just outside the top-5 QBs for me last year, but obviously his issue with his arm during camp is a concern.
 
Ace said:
Oh man that Tampa game. My God did Allen take over in the second half. I seem to recall a bad call by the refs helping to prevent them in the end too.
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Oh yeah, I still have a sour taste in my mouth from that game. It wouldve been a bit of poetic justice for Allen to come back against Brady and win it on a game winning drive, but the refs snatched that victory from our hands. I rarely ever complain about the refs, but I was salty after that game, but it seemed like a switch flipped on offense and defense during the half. I have to think McD or Allen lit a fire under their ass.
 
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