Ontario Reign 21-22 Thread 2: Reigndrops keep falling on my head

[Vino]

Do not understand re-signing Villalta. He is an awful goaltender. Hrenak and Parik are more than capable of handling the AHL net.

46 GP, 28 W, that's why. Bill Ranford and Matt Millar sees and knows something, what we ordinary people don't see and know.

Last season (2021-22) Villalta's first half was good, second half awfully inconsistent.

That signing tells how bad King's/Reign's goalie situation is. Parik's sv% in the AHL is worse Villalta's. Hrenak is inexperienced in the AHL and is he anything more than average NCAA goalie?

And Reign has also earlier signed tough guy Jacob Doty (1 year).

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

46 GP, 28 W, that's why. Bill Ranford and Matt Millar sees and knows something, what we ordinary people don't see and know.

Last season (2021-22) Villalta's first half was good, second half awfully inconsistent.

That signing tells how bad King's/Reign's goalie situation is. Parik's sv% in the AHL is worse Villalta's. Hrenak is inexperienced in the AHL and is he anything more than average NCAA goalie?

And Reign has also earlier signed Jacob Doty (1 year).

Okay, but Villalta is going on his now 4th pro season and has yet to show anything. It took a powerhouse team in the Reign to finally help him get under a 3 GAA and over a .900 sv %. Now, if last season were the outlier, fine, but at every level, he's played on monster teams and that's about his normal season!

I know he was always seen as pretty raw but with good tools but at what point do you say it's not working? Again, likeable human being, but shit numbers, and it's not just about the numbers, the dude constantly gives up backbreaking goals at the worst times and has all sorts of holes. He isn't improving.

Ultimately sure, I guess it doesn't hurt to give him one more year, but I remember saying the Reign wouldn't get past the first round with him in net and while there were other problems he let in some absolute beachballs.

Banging on Parik is kind of silly given he played 5 AHL games and is a first year pro, but he's got better pedigree, that's for sure, and you can at least see emergent tools. Banging on Parik's numbers and then questioning Hrenak--who posted 1.81 and .951--is just wildly inconsistent criticism looking for problems. Hrenak is ALSo a first year pro and literally just at the end of the season, too.

Ultimately yeah, we're gonna need another solid AHL vet there just in case we lose Quick and Petersen, but more development issues go figure...not only do we not have great goalie prospects, they're oddly committed to Villalta and further burying Ingham and Parik in the ECHL, who knows what that will look like with Hrenak in the mix. Maybe Blake is committed to adjusting that this summer because it's a shit show.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

46 GP, 28 W, that's why. Bill Ranford and Matt Millar sees and knows something, what we ordinary people don't see and know.

Last season (2021-22) Villalta's first half was good, second half awfully inconsistent.

That signing tells how bad King's/Reign's goalie situation is. Parik's sv% in the AHL is worse Villalta's. Hrenak is inexperienced in the AHL and is he anything more than average NCAA goalie?

And Reign has also earlier signed tough guy Jacob Doty (1 year).

Justifying his re-signing by looking only at wins while playing behind a powerhouse team is very funny. He leaks goals on stoppable shots all over the place and can barely stop more than 90% of the shots he faces in good season (which is very bad, folks!). Parik has played all of a few games in the AHL than Villalta, is two years younger, and showed more promise in his limited time than Villalta ever has even if the numbers in a small sample size didn't look great. Also funny you point to Parik's numbers from a very small sample in the AHL while not highlighting that Hrenak's were great in a very small sample.

 

[King'sPawn]

I'm not a fan of the Villalta signing either. I get he's likeable, but he's very unreliable in the net. I'm guessing it's related to giving Parik, Hrenak competition to play against?

 

[Vino]

Ultimately yeah, we're gonna need another solid AHL vet there just in case we lose Quick and Petersen, but more development issues go figure...not only do we not have great goalie prospects, they're oddly committed to Villalta and further burying Ingham and Parik in the ECHL, who knows what that will look like with Hrenak in the mix. Maybe Blake is committed to adjusting that this summer because it's a shit show.

I wrote it once, but obviously my English is so bad, that you and Chazz Reinhold didn't get it. I hope you understand this time what I'm trying to say. So second time:

Bill Ranford and Matt Millar sees and knows something, what we ordinary people don't see and know.

Obviously they (Kings goaltending coach Ranford and Reigns goaltending coach Millar) think, that Villalta has more potential than I think he has. I think Villalta is a typical inconsistent AHL-level goalie. He has some good games - even some good ones in row - but (in my mind) he is mentally fragile.

But Reign's defence was often f-king bad. Turnover after turnover, especially Christian Wolanin was a true turnovermachine. Those King's (d-mens) injuries and callups really hurt this team.

And Ontario was not a powerhouse team. Reign was overall pretty average team and they won, because they had historically good powerplay (thanks to AHL MVP Tynan and shooter Frk).

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I wrote it once, but obviously my English is so bad, that you and Chazz Reinhold didn't get it. I hope you understand this time what I'm trying to say. So second time:

Bill Ranford and Matt Millar sees and knows something, what we ordinary people don't see and know.

Obviously they (Kings goaltending coach Ranford and Reigns goaltending coach Millar) think, that Villalta has more potential than I think he has. I think Villalta is a typical inconsistent AHL-level goalie. He has some good games - even some good ones in row - but (in my mind) he is mentally fragile.

But Reign's defence was often f-king bad. Turnover after turnover, especially Christian Wolanin was a true turnovermachine. Those King's (d-mens) injuries and callups really hurt this team.

And Ontario was not a powerhouse team. Reign was overall pretty average team and they won, because they had historically good powerplay (thanks to AHL MVP Tynan and shooter Frk).

Maybe they do and they've forgotten more about goaltending than I'll ever know, but to me, this looks more like they want a guy with some pro years in net for 'stability' (though I'd argue Villalta is anything but that...but I digress) since the others are mostly fresh pros and I imagine Sparks is moving on.

 

[King'sPawn]

I wrote it once, but obviously my English is so bad, that you and Chazz Reinhold didn't get it. I hope you understand this time what I'm trying to say. So second time:

Bill Ranford and Matt Millar sees and knows something, what we ordinary people don't see and know.

Obviously they (Kings goaltending coach Ranford and Reigns goaltending coach Millar) think, that Villalta has more potential than I think he has. I think Villalta is a typical inconsistent AHL-level goalie. He has some good games - even some good ones in row - but (in my mind) he is mentally fragile.

But Reign's defence was often f-king bad. Turnover after turnover, especially Christian Wolanin was a true turnovermachine. Those King's (d-mens) injuries and callups really hurt this team.

And Ontario was not a powerhouse team. Reign was overall pretty average team and they won, because they had historically good powerplay (thanks to AHL MVP Tynan and shooter Frk).

For what it's worth, I just want to reassure you that your English is great.

Unfortunately, there are often many nuances that native English speakers don't understand what another is saying.

 

[Mats26]

Anyone care to guess what the Reign roster will look like.
It is just a mock lineup. Am I missing someone? Seems way too undersized.

xxx Tynan Fagemo
Ward Turcotte Madden
Dudas Thomas Chromiak
Lee Helenius Wagner

xxx
xxx


Bjornfot(?) Spence
xxx Grans
Nousiainen Allard

 

[King'sPawn]

Anyone care to guess what the Reign roster will look like.
It is just a mock lineup. Am I missing someone? Seems way too undersized.

xxx Tynan Fagemo
Ward Turcotte Madden
Dudas Thomas Chromiak
Lee Helenius Wagner

xxx
xxx


Bjornfot(?) Spence
xxx Grans
Nousiainen Allard

Good guesses for the most part, but a couple things:
- Maybe Turcotte goes to LW due to center depth
- might be a clearer picture after the draft to see who the Kings pick. Like it or not, it's possible a drafted European comes over

Edit: my mistake, Bjornfot is still waiver exempt.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Anyone care to guess what the Reign roster will look like.
It is just a mock lineup. Am I missing someone? Seems way too undersized.

xxx Tynan Fagemo
Ward Turcotte Madden
Dudas Thomas Chromiak
Lee Helenius Wagner

xxx
xxx


Bjornfot(?) Spence
xxx Grans
Nousiainen Allard

Bjornfot played in 70 NHL games last season and zero in Ontario. Guess you're not a fan.
He's not playing another AHL game IMO.

 

[Mats26]

Bjornfot played in 70 NHL games last season and zero in Ontario. Guess you're not a fan.
He's not playing another AHL game IMO.

Did you not read the reports and Blake quotes. Only a true Kings fan would know this and Bjornfot is waiver eligible.

LD on the Kings:

Andersson
Walker
Edler(they are trying to re-sign)

#7 Moverare (Not waiver eligible)

I put a question mark next to his name Bjornfot(?) for a reason. Don't want Toby on the bench as the #7D that is Moverare's spot. I want him to play somewhere.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Did you not read the reports and Blake quotes. Only a true Kings fan would know this and Bjornfot is waiver eligible.

LD on the Kings:

Andersson
Walker
Edler(they are trying to re-sign)

#7 Moverare (Not waiver eligible)

I put a question mark next to his name Bjornfot(?) for a reason. Don't want Toby on the bench as the #7D that is Moverare's spot. I want him to play somewhere.

I'm not sure that's the correct interpretation of what was said....

 

[Mats26]

I'm not sure that's the correct interpretation of what was said....

The first domino will be what Kempe signs for. After which they know what they have in cap space to play with. The fall back plan right now is to play Walker on the left side and sign either Edler or Maatta to a 1 year, hopefully cheap deal.

Moverare will either be the #7D or possibility lost on waivers. He just sign for 2 years.
Not sure where this leaves Toby to start the season. I still see him on the NHL roster eventually.

 

[All The Kings Men]

The first domino will be what Kempe signs for. After which they know what they have in cap space to play with. The fall back plan right now is to play Walker on the left side and sign either Edler or Maatta to a 1 year, hopefully cheap deal.

Moverare will either be the #7D or possibility lost on waivers. He just sign for 2 years.
Not sure where this leaves Toby to start the season. I still see him on the NHL roster eventually.

I was on the call and heard what was said.

I haven't listened to how Hoven and Bernstein presented it yet but will be posting the full audio from the call soon.

 

[Schmooley]

The first domino will be what Kempe signs for. After which they know what they have in cap space to play with. The fall back plan right now is to play Walker on the left side and sign either Edler or Maatta to a 1 year, hopefully cheap deal.

Moverare will either be the #7D or possibility lost on waivers. He just sign for 2 years.
Not sure where this leaves Toby to start the season. I still see him on the NHL roster eventually.

Moverare can go on waivers in the first year of his new contract. So I imagine he starts in Ontario. If Walker moves to the left and they bring back Edler it seems like Toby will be the 7th dman. If they bring in another guy on top of that then Bjornfot will go to Ontatrio. But for that to happen they would have to move out cap, possibly making a spot for Bjornfot anyway…

 

[Mats26]

Moverare can go on waivers in the first year of his new contract. So I imagine he starts in Ontario. If Walker moves to the left and they bring back Edler it seems like Toby will be the 7th dman. If they bring in another guy on top of that then Bjornfot will go to Ontatrio. But for that to happen they would have to move out cap, possibly making a spot for Bjornfot anyway…

You sure Moverare doesn't need waivers? If we send him down he might get claimed, maybe the 2 year deal was to prevent this?

I do agree with the rest of your statement. Really depends on what Kempe is asking for. That is why I said it's the first domino to fall. I just don't want Toby on the bench for too long. He needs ice time in the NHL or AHL.

 

[Schmooley]

You sure Moverare doesn't need waivers?
I do agree with the rest of your statement. Really depends on what Kempe is asking for. That is why I said it's the first domino to fall. I just don't want Toby on the bench for too long. He needs ice time in the NHL or AHL.

Im not 100% sure. I asked the same question as you and was told by someone he didnt need waivers in the first year. I havent looked it up but am just repeating that. hope its not wrong.

 

[All The Kings Men]

Moverare can go on waivers in the first year of his new contract. So I imagine he starts in Ontario. If Walker moves to the left and they bring back Edler it seems like Toby will be the 7th dman. If they bring in another guy on top of that then Bjornfot will go to Ontatrio. But for that to happen they would have to move out cap, possibly making a spot for Bjornfot anyway…

Not sure you're falling prey to this common misconception or if I'm misreading so I hope this doesn't come across as condescending BUT

Moverare would need to clear waivers in both years of his contract to be assigned to Ontario.

The difference between the two years of his contract are

- in year one he's paid a different amount of money for every day he spends in the AHL vs the NHL

- in year two he'll make the same amount of money no matter where he plays (AHL vs NHL)

The benefit of offering a contract that's structured like that is that it could potentially dissuade another team from claiming him off of waivers while rewarding the player

 

[Schmooley]

Not sure you're falling prey to this common misconception or if I'm misreading so I hope this doesn't come across as condescending BUT

Moverare would need to clear waivers in both years of his contract to be assigned to Ontario.

The difference between the two years of his contract are

- in year one he's paid a different amount of money for every day he spends in the AHL vs the NHL

- in year two he'll make the same amount of money no matter where he plays (AHL vs NHL)

The benefit of offering a contract that's structured like that is that it could potentially dissuade another team from claiming him off of waivers while rewarding the player

O I did not know. Thanks for the correction. I asked the same question when he got signed and was told the wrong answer. Now I spread misinformation

 

[All The Kings Men]

O I did not know. Thanks for the correction. I asked the same question when he got signed and was told the wrong answer. Now I spread misinformation

Happens to the best of us.

One of the most fascinating things I've learned as a result of working for the team is just how many rules and common practices aren't actually written down anywhere.


EDIT: for example... and I have no idea if this is interesting to anyone else but me BUT

The only place in the entire CBA (that I could find anyway) that makes any kind of distinction between forward and defence is in the emergency recall section that covers rosters AFTER the trade deadline

 

[Fat Elvis]

Did you not read the reports and Blake quotes. Only a true Kings fan would know this and Bjornfot is waiver eligible.

LD on the Kings:

Andersson
Walker
Edler(they are trying to re-sign)

#7 Moverare (Not waiver eligible)

I put a question mark next to his name Bjornfot(?) for a reason. Don't want Toby on the bench as the #7D that is Moverare's spot. I want him to play somewhere.

I'm sorry Mats26, I didn't mean to call you "not a fan". I meant maybe not a fan of Bjornfot.. Which some folks around here could take him or leave him. My apologies.

I'm not counting on Walker until he actually suits up. That knee got torn the f up.
Until they resign Edler, the left D is Anderson, Bjornfot, Moverare. With some RD (Walker) sitting in.

 

[Mats26]

Thanks for the explanation, makes sense why they went with a 2 year deal but the possibility of a bottom feeder to claim him is still there. (if we were to send him down rather that Bjornfot who is waiver exempt). Would hate to lose Moverare on waivers. Really like his steadiness and calmness. Would make a nice #7 for this year at least and we need to keep our LD men.

 

[Mats26]

I'm sorry Mats26, I didn't mean to call you "not a fan". I meant maybe not a fan of Bjornfot.. Which some folks around here could take him or leave him. My apologies.

I'm not counting on Walker until he actually suits up. That knee got torn the f up.
Until they resign Edler, the left D is Anderson, Bjornfot, Moverare. With some RD (Walker) sitting in.

Hey no worries, just trying to figure out the Reigns' roster and what possible moves we could make on the big club because I hate losing young kids on waivers for nothing like Clague.

 

[kilowatt]

Am I the only one that isn't too concerned if we lose Moverare? It would suck, but it's not going to make or break the team.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Hey no worries, just trying to figure out the Reigns' roster and what possible moves we could make on the big club because I hate losing young kids on waivers for nothing like Clague.

Yup, me too. Though, I'm not a fan of Clague it would have been nice to move him for something.

Am I the only one that isn't too concerned if we lose Moverare? It would suck, but it's not going to make or break the team.

No, but he's on the cheap and is fine for a few games here and there without hurting the team.