Ontario Reign 20-21 part II Growing Pains

[KingLB]

18 yo players are almost never positive players in professional leagues, it’s definitely part of the maturation process.

That coupled with Ontario being the worst team in the league, and by far the worst defensively has created a perfect storm.

 

[tbrown33]

Byfield is sometimes tenacious on the backcheck with great success, and other times (too many times) he gets caught coasting and puck watching while the open guy on the weak side finds the open seam and scores (twice last game). You see both happen in the same game, like the last one. Needs a consistent effort there - he’ll learn.

 

[Eagle Fang]

More than Byfield being -19, how the hell is Gaunce +11 lol.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

More than Byfield being -19, how the hell is Gaunce +11 lol.

Ok, maybe plus/minus is a garbage stat.

 

[Peter James Bond III]

Before I say anything else, did you watch the game (or any of them)? Or are you using +/- to determine defensive prowess?

I will say this. While I have not seen much of AHL tv, I recorded every USA and Canada WJC game and watched and re-watched many of them.
Every time Byfield lost the puck or the play transitioned from offense to defense, he went after the puck carrier about 100% of the time.
He may have had a chance to catch him, maybe 1 in 6 times. It was kind of bizarre and fruitless. He never transitioned to get into position
for a developing play. While this was WJC and not the AHL, this is the way he was playing. I am sure there is now structure and a system
that is implemented and he's now part of that. It just seems it is all new to him and it will be a process for him. I am sure he will get it
and succeed.

I would be happy to let me know what you are seeing with his overall play and defensive play now.

 

[Eagle Fang]

Ok, maybe plus/minus is a garbage stat.

Lol.

But yea Byfield certainly has alot of work to do on the defensive side. I've also noticed some pretty lack luster backchecking but given the situation I focus more on his offense as ultimately he'll be counted on to score. Lot of examples of offensive players who learn the two-way game later. I seem to recall several coaches praising him for being very coachable so not overly concerned at the moment.

One thing though about +/-. -19 along with the discrepancy to the next worst player is eye opening, but I feel like a bunch weren't really his fault. I think one of the previous games he got dinged for a -2 via empty net goals. In the last game, I think it was his 3rd minus, but that was Clagues blown coverage. And on top of that.. some of the goals being let in by the goalies are just garbage.

 

[King'sPawn]

Sorry to say it's definitely not out of left field that Byfield needs work defensively. James Bond is right in his assessment. I've watched every game. It doesn't take an expert when it's that apparent.
However the experience is mostly a positive, he needed higher competition that will make him pay for poor backchecking and positioning. It will make him a MUCH better player next year because of it I think.

Yes. Byfield needs work. He's 18.

But then he compares it to Kaliyev, suggesting Kaliyev is that much better.

Or, as mentioned, Gaunce is a +11.

 

[Eagle Fang]

Byfield with a nice break away goal! +1 so far haha!

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Byfield with a nice break away goal! +1 so far haha!

The Kopi can opener (as Fox calls it).

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

 

[redcard]

Part of the reason I'm not worried about the +/- is that he is scoring, which means he can focus on improving his defensive game.

If he was struggling to
contribute offensively and a -19 I'd probably be hoping the OHL was starting up soon.

As it is, its clear what he needs to work on and he's in the right place to do it.

 

[Eagle Fang]

Part of the reason I'm not worried about the +/- is that he is scoring, which means he can focus on improving his defensive game.

If he was struggling to
contribute offensively and a -19 I'd probably be hoping the OHL was starting up soon.

As it is, its clear what he needs to work on and he's in the right place to do it.

All true and the other thing to consider is that, as it's been said, he normally wouldn't even be eligible for the AHL this year.

His two years in Sudbury plus his tw WJCs (if that's counted), he's been a plus player. His last year in Sudbury, he led his team in +/- and was I think +15 more than the next guy.

 

[Eagle Fang]

That's two horrible goals allowed by Villalta. No words...

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

That's two horrible goals allowed by Villalta. No words...

Ontario’s goaltending is pure shit, and the lone goaltender who showed any semblance of stable goaltending was sent to the ECHL.

 

[Wisdom]

Rank	Pos	#	Inactive	Rookie	Name	Team	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PPG	PPA	SHG	SHA	SOG	GWG	OTG	First	Insurance	SOGP	SO-G	ATT	SOWG	SO%	FOA	FOW	FO%	PTS/G	PIM/G
Rank	Pos	#	Inactive	Rookie	Name	Team	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PPG	PPA	SHG	SHA	SOG	GWG	OTG	First	Insurance	SOGP	SO-G	ATT	SOWG	SO%	FOA	FOW	FO%	PTS/G	PIM/G
1	C	55			Byfield, Quinton	SBY	45	32	50	82	26	44	6	16	2	2	148	6	2	4	4	2	1	2	0	50.0	586	304	51.9	1.82	0.98
2	C	71			Levin, David	SBY	57	27	46	73	6	39	7	17	3	1	205	5	0	2	0	1	0	1	0	0.0	643	332	51.6	1.28	0.68
3	LW	92			Murray, Blake	SBY	63	35	37	72	9	58	8	10	0	2	187	5	0	10	1	2	1	2	1	50.0	723	403	55.7	1.14	0.92
4	LW	24			Chenier, Brad	SBY	59	27	38	65	-18	71	12	7	1	4	222	1	1	2	3	0	0	0	0	0.0	43	18	41.9	1.10	1.20
		24	X		NB	NB	37	19	22	41	-20	48	9	6	1	4	149	1	1	2	1	0	0	0	0	0.0	28	12	42.9	1.11	1.30
		24			SBY	SBY	22	8	16	24	2	23	3	1	0	0	73	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	0.0	15	6	40.0	1.09	1.05
5	LW	12			Pekar, Matej	SBY	51	28	35	63	16	60	4	12	0	0	187	6	0	4	3	1	0	1	0	0.0	57	29	50.9	1.24	1.18
		12	X		BAR	BAR	26	16	13	29	7	35	3	6	0	0	115	4	0	2	1	0	0	0	0	0.0	41	22	53.7	1.12	1.35
		12			SBY	SBY	25	12	22	34	9	25	1	6	0	0	72	2	0	2	2	1	0	1	0	0.0	16	7	43.8	1.36	1.00
6	C	14			Carson, Macauley	SBY	63	22	28	50	3	71	6	3	2	1	123	4	1	1	3	0	0	0	0	0.0	1047	601	57.4	0.79	1.13
7	LW	18			Robinson, Owen	SBY	63	15	31	46	2	16	3	6	0	0	115	1	0	2	2	0	0	0	0	0.0	14	7	50.0	0.73	0.25
8	RW	61		*	Stillman, Chase	SBY	58	13	21	34	0	63	0	1	0	0	86	1	0	2	2	0	0	0	0	0.0	88	33	37.5	0.59	1.09
9	RW	51			Gilhula, Owen	SBY	51	14	19	33	9	26	2	7	0	1	89	0	0	4	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	276	121	43.8	0.65	0.51
10	D	22			Thompson, Jack	SBY	63	13	19	32	-9	20	3	7	1	0	174	0	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0.0	3	2	66.7	0.51	0.32
11	LW	21			Hutcheson, Nolan	SBY	55	15	13	28	5	41	2	0	1	0	122	2	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	0.0	42	20	47.6	0.51	0.75
12	D	7			Phillips, Isaak	SBY	63	9	17	26	4	27	1	2	0	0	95	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0	0.0	0.41	0.43
13	D	27			Serensits, Emmett	SBY	63	1	24	25	11	45	0	0	0	0	98	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0	0.0	0.40	0.71
14	D	25			Loponen, Kalle	SBY	56	6	18	24	5	29	4	13	0	0	111	3	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	1	1	100.0	0.43	0.52
15	D	5			Samuelsson, Adam	SBY	43	3	14	17	3	49	0	2	0	1	54	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0.0	3	1	33.3	0.40	1.14
16	RW	88			Manikis, Kosta	SBY	42	7	9	16	-7	24	1	2	0	0	46	2	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	0.0	65	27	41.5	0.38	0.57
17	D	63			Ross, Liam	SBY	63	2	13	15	19	42	0	0	1	1	83	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0	0.0	0.24	0.67
18	C	9		*	McCallum, Landon	SBY	52	2	4	6	-14	25	0	1	0	0	26	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	236	113	47.9	0.12	0.48
19	C	45		*	Larmand, Ethan	SBY	42	1	3	4	-13	19	0	0	0	0	26	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0.0	76	32	42.1	0.10	0.45
20	D	4		*	Ribau, Nathan	SBY	40	1	2	3	-11	18	0	0	0	0	17	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0.0	3	2	66.7	0.08	0.45
21	G	70			Weeks, Mitchell	SBY	30	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0	0.0	0.03	0.00
22	G	1			Purboo, Christian	SBY	45	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0	0.0	0.00	0.00
23	C	20	X		Bulitka, Shane	SBY	38	16	16	32	7	29	5	3	2	2	84	2	0	2	1	0	0	0	0	0.0	258	133	51.6	0.84	0.76
24	D	24	X		Stratis, Peter	SBY	33	2	6	8	1	24	1	0	0	0	37	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0	0.0	0.24	0.73
25	D	16	X		Caron, Phil	SBY	9	0	5	5	3	8	0	2	0	0	8	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0	0.0	0.56	0.89
26	C	2	X	*	DeGrazia, Nick	SBY	4	1	1	2	-1	0	0	0	0	0	6	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0.0	4	0	0.0	0.50	0.00
27	C	74	X	*	Biondi, Giordano	SBY	13	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	9	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0	0.0	0.08	0.00
28	C	44	X		Maltais, Brady	SBY	1	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	3	1	33.3	0.00	2.00
29	G	34	X		Bowen, David	SBY	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0	0.0	0.00	0.00
30	C	12	X		Smith, Ryan	SBY	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	0	0	0.0	0.00	0.00
31	RW	23	X		Jacklin, Brett	SBY	5	0	0	0	0	11	0	0	0	0	4	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0.0	3	1	33.3	0.00	2.20

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[Eagle Fang]

Ontario’s goaltending is pure shit, and the lone goaltender who showed any semblance of stable goaltending was sent to the ECHL.

"Pure shit" is more of a compliment for the garbage on this team

 

[ru4reals]

That's two horrible goals allowed by Villalta. No words...

Sometimes can't really blame a lot of the Goals on the goaltender because of coverage etc. but Villalta is just brutal at times. My goodness.

 

[Eagle Fang]

Sometimes can't really blame a lot of the Goals on the goaltender because of coverage etc. but Villalta is just brutal at times. My goodness.

For sure. I definitely don't fault him on the first, that was all on Clauge.. who for whatever reason is really regressing in ONT. But the last 3 goals, I put that like 90-100% all on Villalta. Bad turnovers led to the chances, but they were decently defended and two came from shots that looked easily stoppable.. especially the 3rd one. Villalta looking at his glove afterwards like there's a hole in it or something was funny.

Some of the worst goaltending I can remember was Grant Fuhr during his time with LA. But compared to the f***ery in ONT, his play was HoF caliber.

 

[Eagle Fang]

HOLY SHIT THEY TIED IT LOL!! f***ING NATURAL HATTY FOR THOMAS!

Akil Thomas just said, 'f*** it guys, I got this!"

 

[johnjm22]

But I thought the Kings had the best goaltender development system in the league!?

It was always a myth.

 

[HookKing]

When MacDermid stands up, he stands up.

 

[LAKings88]

Weak sauce

 

[Eagle Fang]

Durzi with the Brown-esque backhand pass to the opposition in OT for the breakaway. Luckily Villalta actually made a save, but between Durzi and the goaltending, I'm surprised ONT's worst minus player is only -19.

 

[Eagle Fang]

ONT wins in the SO. Amazing game! Definitely made up for the cluster f*** yesterday. Props to Thomas for going beast mode in the last 3 mins of the game

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Amazing work by the Reign. I stopped watching to focus on the Kings game. That’ll teach me.