Mr Misty
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If somebody is calling for a hard cap on his minutes then he is much better off not being expected to fix the powerplay.
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If somebody is calling for a hard cap on his minutes then he is much better off not being expected to fix the powerplay.
glovesave_35
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If Klingberg hadn't looked so good on the 1st PP unit I might see where you're coming from. As it stands, he looked damn good out there and the PP is a major weakness of this team. The handedness thing is just silly. A lot of PP's around the league have 4 left shots and 1 right shot, I don't see why the reverse would be a problem.
More importantly, Klingberg playing the point should be to allow the forward deployment to be Benn-Spezza-Seguin with Klingberg and take your pick of Goligoski, Daley, or Demers (oops another right shot). Spezza and Seguin are both more dangerous shooting or passing off the half wall and Klingberg is the best on the team at holding the line, which is an incredibly underrated yet hugely important ability.
More importantly, Klingberg playing the point should be to allow the forward deployment to be Benn-Spezza-Seguin with Klingberg and take your pick of Goligoski, Daley, or Demers (oops another right shot). Spezza and Seguin are both more dangerous shooting or passing off the half wall and Klingberg is the best on the team at holding the line, which is an incredibly underrated yet hugely important ability.
Mr Misty
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Spezza, Seguin, Benn and 2 defensemen doesn't work, none of them go into the corner to chase a missed or blocked shot. And you can't roll with 4 forwards and Klingberg because his plus skills are freestyling with the puck and you need a defenseman back to cover, not Spezza.
These are basic structure problems we have all seen over the past few months. Spezza has the edge in passing and shooting over Klingberg. We need Eakin or Roussel to go to the corners and the front of the net. We need a defenseman that you can trust to disrupt an odd man rush. There isn't a spot for him on the top unit and I'd rather keep him away from the 2nd unit as well.
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Speaking of Roussel, why is he not on the PP anymore? Seems to me the experiment was too short.
Troy McClure
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Seguin and Benn are more than capable of going into the corner to get a puck. They do it plenty five on five.
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Spezza does as well, but that isn't the way the power play is run. Based solely on the games I have seen, the entire endeavor is getting cross-crease passes from Benn to Seguin and vice versa. You can question the wisdom of having dynamic skaters and stick handlers all standing still for a full minute, but that is how things are run. Eakin and Roussel are not concerned about being open for a shot or hoping that a block or miss will bounce perfectly to them, their job is to get the puck immediately. Remember the first 10 games, when a shot would go wide or be blocked into the corner and then the defenseman would have plenty of room to get a clear because there was no pressure to speak of? It's one of the reasons that the team had such a low shot per pp ratio, there would be two or three clears in that first minute. Having Eakin or Roussel on the top unit was a noticable change because they would be immediately in the face of the player trying to clear.
glovesave_35
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Misty, I'm not sure if you're just saying what you see the organization doing or lumping in some of your own opinion here. I am giving my opinion of how I'd like to see things done. If you're telling me that Benn, Seguin, and Benn can't be asked to go into the corners to retrieve pucks on the PP then I'll disagree. If you're saying they aren't being asked to I think that's a mistake. If you're saying that you'd rather have Daley than Klingberg as the lone defenseman on the point with a 4 forward set, then we can agree to disagree.
The PP is not good. It isn't an improvement over last year despite a pretty major addition to it. I'm willing to see change now that we see the best point man in a Stars uni since Richards or Zubov.
The PP is not good. It isn't an improvement over last year despite a pretty major addition to it. I'm willing to see change now that we see the best point man in a Stars uni since Richards or Zubov.
Mr Misty
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I don't think I've been very consistent on this either. I'm in the middle of a struggle between the possible and the probable as far as the Stars are concerned.
I'm telling you they aren't going to the corners because they know the powerplay success depends on them being in shooting positions. Whether that is something they do on their own or Fraser has told them, that is how they are playing. I can't see any reason why the current setup shouldn't work, the first change I would make is Spezza to the 2nd unit, and I can see the obvious reasons why not to make that change.
I would rather have Daley defending a 2 on 1 and I have more trust in him because of his experience. I think Klingberg's best playmaking has come much deeper in the zone than where people seem to want to play him, and that exuberance in attack will open up short handed opportunities nobody on the ice can handle. I don't think he's an average NHL power play defenseman at this point in his career, and I definitely prefer Spezza's shooting, passing, and stickhandling to Klingberg's if they are competing for that half-wall spot. He may be the best point man since Richards but that is pretty faint praise.
glovesave_35
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Gotcha. We disagree on pretty much everything Klingberg, which is fine. I just wanted to know your opinion.
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Just because I don't think he is the fix for the power play this season doesn't mean I don't have high hopes for him. I have been very impressed with his play but if he played for any other team I don't think he'd be on their top unit right now.
glovesave_35
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This is pretty much the only argument I see for keeping on the second unit. He's really the only legitimate pp option on the 2nd unit keeping it remotely advantageous. Hell, he's the one person other than Seguin that seems to understand that it's hard to score goals if you don't shoot the puck at the net.
Elysian
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Demers isn't bad on the 2nd unit... I say Klingberg on the top unit and Demers on the 2nd...
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Klingberg on top unit makes sense. Also, bring back Roussel to stand in front of the net and get more shots on goal. I think that experiment wasn't given long enough to succeed. It may work out, the way Simmonds is doing it in Philly.
And I still don't know why Daley keeps getting top PP minutes.
Elysian
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Demers can't run a PP though.
Who would the four be, though? Daley, Goligoski, Klingberg, Demers? I don't really see how you can combine those four to get two effective power play groups out of them. If Daley gets/stays hot again then it's possible, but I don't think it's fair to expect that of him.
StarsTx is right - our second unit can't be a liability, and Klingberg is the only thing preventing that as of now. Putting Klingberg on the first unit is just loading it up with even more skill. There needs to be more diversity of both units. But most importantly, I think they just need a different game plan. Watching the Rangers game, I didn't really see one unitary PP system at all, they just seemed to do whatever they wanted. There didn't appear to be much structure at all. That, to me, is a coaching issue, and it's one that seems to have plagued us for several years now. Whether this is something unique that I noticed in this game or something that's been an issue all season, something needs to be down to get that fixed.
Bump again.
I think it's pretty telling that after spending a whole practice working on the PP, including putting vets back on the blueline, we have one of the worst games we've seen on the PP, going 0/6.
There's such thing as overcoaching. And bad coaching. Before people say it's on the players, I've literally watched the same PP personnel go from worst in the league to one of the best in NYR between Torts and AV. A lot more of it is on coaching than people want to believe.
I'll lose a lot of faith in Nill if Fraser is still here next season.
I think it's pretty telling that after spending a whole practice working on the PP, including putting vets back on the blueline, we have one of the worst games we've seen on the PP, going 0/6.
There's such thing as overcoaching. And bad coaching. Before people say it's on the players, I've literally watched the same PP personnel go from worst in the league to one of the best in NYR between Torts and AV. A lot more of it is on coaching than people want to believe.
I'll lose a lot of faith in Nill if Fraser is still here next season.
Cin
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He really should be fired right now. There's no excuse when you have players such as Seguin, Benn, Spezza and Hemsky.
