Ongoing Powerplay Discussion

[Uncle Hulka]

As always, we are watching different games.

My problem with the pp is that Daley is the weak link despite the wondergoal, and, yes, he will be given time and space while the others are covered like blankets. I don't have a problem with him out there as long as he understands that he needs to pass the ****ing puck rather than take the long shot. He has skill but his slapper sucks.

 

[Troy McClure]

As always, we are watching different games.

Are you basing your KConn evaluation off of his AHL play? If so, then yes, we are watching different games because I don't watch the AHL.

 

[glovesave_35]

My problem with the pp is that Daley is the weak link despite the wondergoal, and, yes, he will be given time and space while the others are covered like blankets. I don't have a problem with him out there as long as he understands that he needs to pass the ****ing puck rather than take the long shot. He has skill but his slapper sucks.

Daley is almost certainly on that first PP unit to help out with breakaways against.

 

[piqued]

Are you basing your KConn evaluation off of his AHL play? If so, then yes, we are watching different games because I don't watch the AHL.

Well we can't be basing it off his NHL play since he won't be given a chance.

You might as well scratch him, trade him, banish him forever if you won't play him on the PP. He's not that good overall, I readily admit that. But powerplay aptitude is what he brings. He's a guy who thrives on the PP and that is a current team need. Yet the team refuses to address their present need other than loading up on forwards who all look to set each other up for tap-ins.

 

[Troy McClure]

I don't think it makes sense to rework your PP all to give your 7th d-man some love. Stinks of desperation.

 

[Stars99Lobo37]

Stinks of desperation.

Are we not?

 

[glovesave_35]

I wouldn't mind giving Connauton a chance but in the limited chances he has been given he hasn't done much. I agree that we need a QB on the point on the PP, but I fail to see how KC is the answer to that when his best asset is his shot, not his ability to pass the puck. He has also never shown any real glimpses of having the requisite hockey IQ to quarterback a PP.

 

[Elysian]

I wouldn't mind giving Connauton a chance but in the limited chances he has been given he hasn't done much. I agree that we need a QB on the point on the PP, but I fail to see how KC is the answer to that when his best asset is his shot, not his ability to pass the puck. He has also never shown any real glimpses of having the requisite hockey IQ to quarterback a PP.

Didn't he get a PP goal during the regular season last year, despite having such limited time on the PP? And didn't he get one in preseason?

 

[glovesave_35]

Didn't he get a PP goal during the regular season last year, despite having such limited time on the PP? And didn't he get one in preseason?

I take little to nothing from preseason games. As for last year, looks like he had 22 PP points in 24:16 total PP time, neither were goals.

 

[Troy McClure]

Didn't he get a PP goal during the regular season last year, despite having such limited time on the PP? And didn't he get one in preseason?

No. In 24 minutes of PP time, he had zero goals and two assists.

 

[Stars99Lobo37]

Daley tied for league lead in powerplay goals.

 

[glovesave_35]

Since this got bumped, I'll go ahead and dump on the PP. Aside from the goal, which essentially came off a play where Daley said 'screw it' and took his shot the PP looked atrocious tonight. Too many cute plays, trouble even gaining possession of the offensive zone, etc.

 

[piqued]

Pretty much everything positive the PP is doing is coming as a result of the raw skill of the 1st line + Daley. Not any kind of savvy coaching/strategies/personnel decisions. More often than not it still feels like a momentum killer.

 

[Troy McClure]

Pretty much everything positive the PP is doing is coming as a result of the raw skill of the 1st line + Daley. Not any kind of savvy coaching/strategies/personnel decisions. More often than not it still feels like a momentum killer.

You especially see it when the second unit goes out there. With all of the team's offensive ability crammed into the first unit, the second unit struggles to generate any chances.

 

[Ajacied]

The second unit with Bearded Benn and Cole on the points make me want to poke my eyes out..

 

[crymez]

Some of the most successful powerplays I can think of all have one common theme to them, shoot and retrieve. The powerplay that always comes to mind when I think of deadly has to be the Holmstrom Red Wings, just camping in front of the net while everyone else just retrieves and reloads. Unfortunately our powerplay is pretty much the antithesis of this instead choosing to play this game where we pass it back and forth then down low then back to the point, finally settling on the risky cross ice pass through the box with a 5% success rate. The result is a 200 foot sheet of ice wasted time and then more wasted time because we can't figure out how to enter the zone half the time.

The sad thing is we have the tools to run the shoot and reload powerplay. If Benn doesn't want to be the net front guy, which he has been at times last year, let him be the down low guy. He is physical and mean enough to retrieve. We just so happen to have a 6'7 behemoth who quite honestly could use the tough dogged fights in front of the net to wake up and develop a meanstreak. Oleksiak can be our net front guy.

Put Seguin on the half-wall with the option to rotate up to the blue line and use that slapshot of his. Have Daley play the same spot on the oppsosite side of the blue-line and half-wall. He seems to have the ability to sneak down and score off the backside. Then have Spezza QB the thing and this puts him on the point where he can use his wicked bomb too.

Obviously you only want Seguin and Spezza shooting from the point. Daley should shoot as little as possible from the point. When the play rotates to the opposite side he can rotate back to his natural point position but he can't be the one shooting from the blue line.

Lastly keep Goligoski as far away from the powerplay as possible because he is terrible, can't get a shot through to save his life, and has poor decision making skills under pressure. Anytime the puck touches him on the powerplay I know it's dead and heading back down towards Kari.

 

[Noodletoro]

So you want to put Oleksiak in front of the net because he is tall, put two forwards on the point when the team is already hemorrhaging chances against when they have the man advantage, and bench the team's best offensive defenseman. Sounds like a recipe for success.

 

[piqued]

Some of the most successful powerplays I can think of all have one common theme to them, shoot and retrieve.

This sentence should be painted in 72 pt font on the interior of every room, building, and vehicle that is used to hold Stars players.

I agree with most of the rest of what you said except when it comes to concrete alignments I've given up hope because the player they need to make it work just isn't on the roster.

 

[Satan]

**** it boys onto the new one

 

[M88K]

Some of the most successful powerplays I can think of all have one common theme to them, shoot and retrieve. The powerplay that always comes to mind when I think of deadly has to be the Holmstrom Red Wings, just camping in front of the net while everyone else just retrieves and reloads. Unfortunately our powerplay is pretty much the antithesis of this instead choosing to play this game where we pass it back and forth then down low then back to the point, finally settling on the risky cross ice pass through the box with a 5% success rate. The result is a 200 foot sheet of ice wasted time and then more wasted time because we can't figure out how to enter the zone half the time.

The sad thing is we have the tools to run the shoot and reload powerplay. If Benn doesn't want to be the net front guy, which he has been at times last year, let him be the down low guy. He is physical and mean enough to retrieve. We just so happen to have a 6'7 behemoth who quite honestly could use the tough dogged fights in front of the net to wake up and develop a meanstreak. Oleksiak can be our net front guy.

Put Seguin on the half-wall with the option to rotate up to the blue line and use that slapshot of his. Have Daley play the same spot on the oppsosite side of the blue-line and half-wall. He seems to have the ability to sneak down and score off the backside. Then have Spezza QB the thing and this puts him on the point where he can use his wicked bomb too.

Obviously you only want Seguin and Spezza shooting from the point. Daley should shoot as little as possible from the point. When the play rotates to the opposite side he can rotate back to his natural point position but he can't be the one shooting from the blue line.

Lastly keep Goligoski as far away from the powerplay as possible because he is terrible, can't get a shot through to save his life, and has poor decision making skills under pressure. Anytime the puck touches him on the powerplay I know it's dead and heading back down towards Kari.

Team leaders in PP points
Spezza 6
Seguin 5
Daley 4
Goligoski 3 (15th in shots)
Benn 1(jamie)
Horcoff 1
Cole 1
Last Year
Seguin 25
Benn 19
Goligoski 15 (6th in shots #1 among d-men)

Year Before
Whitney 12
Goligoski 11 (4th on team in shots)
Benn 10 (1st in shots)
Eriksson 10 (2nd in shots)

Yes Goligoski is just terrible

 

[piqued]

Actually, he is. He's a losing player. You lose with him. The further he stays away from everything the better.

 

[crymez]

using points on the powerplay to justify his spot is very circular to me. of course he's going to lead the TEAM in power play points because he is on the powerplay unit that sees the most ice team. This year he has been on and off the top unit, but in past years he was on the ice for our powerplays for atlast 75% of the time. Given the fact that the powerplay also cycled through him as the QB of the PP for the past few years, of course he's going to be at the top of the team in powerplay points. In 2012-13 Jamie Benn led the team in faceoff wins. Does that mean he was our best faceoff man that year? No. He was terrible at faceoffs that year, he just happened to take over 100 more faceoffs than Eakin or Fiddler or anyone else on the team.

if there were a stat for shots taken that are blocked, or shots taken that are 5 feet wide, shots that hit the shins of the player directly in front of you, I'm sure Goligoski would be near the top. I don't want this to get off topic and turn into a Goligoski hate thread, all I was saying was that he simply does not belong anywhere near a shoot and reload type of powerplay.

 

[beepeearr]

This sentence should be painted in 72 pt font on the interior of every room, building, and vehicle that is used to hold Stars players.

I agree with most of the rest of what you said except when it comes to concrete alignments I've given up hope because the player they need to make it work just isn't on the roster.

They should change the slogan to "Just shoot the damn puck"

 

[M88K]

using points on the powerplay to justify his spot is very circular to me. of course he's going to lead the TEAM in power play points because he is on the powerplay unit that sees the most ice team. This year he has been on and off the top unit, but in past years he was on the ice for our powerplays for atlast 75% of the time. Given the fact that the powerplay also cycled through him as the QB of the PP for the past few years, of course he's going to be at the top of the team in powerplay points. In 2012-13 Jamie Benn led the team in faceoff wins. Does that mean he was out best faceoff man that year? No. He was terrible at faceoffs that year, he just happened to take over 100 more faceoffs than Eakin or Fiddler or anyone else on the team.

if there were a stat for shots taken that are blocked, or shots taken that are 5 feet wide, shots that hit the shins of the player directly in front of you, I'm sure Goligoski would be near the top. I don't want this to get off topic and turn into a Goligoski hate thread, all I was saying was that he simply does not belong anywhere near a shoot and reload type of powerplay.

Goligoski is 5th in PP toi per game at just north of 3mins,
Last year 4th(behind ****ing Chiasson for some unknown reason) at just under 3.5mins
the year before
6th(2nd in PP points though) at just under 3mins

Shots from the point even by the best of defensemen are blocked by traffic in font, the problem is that our pp is set up in such a way that there is little movement and a lot of standing around. Goligoskis shooting percentage is below the absolute best defensemen(Karlsson, Lidstrom, Neidermeyer, etc), but isn't atrocious(career wise) and with nobody moving to really open up better shooting lanes that is what happens, a larger number of blocked shots, or shots that just miss.
But he wouldn't be near the top for shots blocked/missed either. You're being irrational there, are a lot of his shots blocked/wide, sure absolutely, but nothing significantly more than other offensive defensemen.
Does he shoot more than anyone else on our blue line, sure absolutely. So there is a higher proportion of missed/blocked than others. Could he be better, yes. But the fact remains he has the best shot of all our defensemen, if you flip him and say Daley, that number that you have exaggerated as near top in the league would seem minuscule.



Regardless the problem with our PP is more Curt Fraser than anything, That and trying to be to cute and relying on skill instead of hard work.

 

[oconnor9sean]

Actually, he is. He's a losing player. You lose with him. The further he stays away from everything the better.

I'm hoping this is sarcasm, but I honestly can't tell.