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peter sullivan
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pavalec must have a really fragile ego or something...surely Noel isnt stupid...he has to be building him up for a reason...might be the same as never playing the back-up.....maybe his ego cant handle it.
i have always found pavalec frustrating....you can see his skill...his numbers explain his reality perfectly...he makes most of the saves that the top goalies do...its that one goal every two games that kills us (except for tonight)....its the difference in his numbers and its the difference in what makes him unreliable as an NHL goalie who plays 90% of the time for a team.
he's not that far off, but the difference in his numbers compared to the top goalies is exactly how much less effective he is....its not a ton but its enough to hurt a team that needs its goalie to be the best player on most nights.
I said before the season that our year will depend on two people....scheifele and pavalec...if either or both do not stand out we are sunk....without sheif, we have no second/third line....without pavalec we have nothing....it has turned out that unfortunately both have not shone yet.
i have always found pavalec frustrating....you can see his skill...his numbers explain his reality perfectly...he makes most of the saves that the top goalies do...its that one goal every two games that kills us (except for tonight)....its the difference in his numbers and its the difference in what makes him unreliable as an NHL goalie who plays 90% of the time for a team.
he's not that far off, but the difference in his numbers compared to the top goalies is exactly how much less effective he is....its not a ton but its enough to hurt a team that needs its goalie to be the best player on most nights.
I said before the season that our year will depend on two people....scheifele and pavalec...if either or both do not stand out we are sunk....without sheif, we have no second/third line....without pavalec we have nothing....it has turned out that unfortunately both have not shone yet.
CorgisPer60
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It really hasn't. The last 5 games have been winnable affairs, excluding today's game. Our secondary scoring has again been a no show. Little, Wheeler, Ladd, and Kane can't do it all.
1430MaroonsRoad
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The highlight for me was the applause for Khabibulin. Was nice to see.
Otherwise it was a dull afternoon at the MTS Centre.
Otherwise it was a dull afternoon at the MTS Centre.
CorgisPer60
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I ****ing hate afternoon games on CBC. The Jets always seem to have a real hard time getting up for those.
SensibleGuy
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I hate Jets games on CBC period. Its like they get whoever happens to be hanging around outside the booth to come in and call the games. The play by play was awful yesterday. I switched on 1290 and heard the last 30 seconds or so and even that - with the score 5-1 and the game essentially over - was more exciting to listen to than the first period had been on CBC.
Duke749
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Only saw the condensed version as the game was blacked out for me, but what was with all the odd man rushes? Oh, that's right, we like to have defensive breakdowns... Maybe being embarrassed at home like that will wake some guys up...
What gets me worked up is that Noel doesn't seem to have any answers. The only adjustment he seems to know how to make is juggling his lines. The team as a whole never changes what it does on the ice.
In his post game chat with the media, he is consistently asked what the solution is & he never answers that question. He said yesterday they had to manage the puck, suggesting that he asked the players to do so but they just didn't do it (I assume that's what he was trying to say). Yet the team makes no adjustments to enable themselves to manage the puck better. They certainly didn't increase puck support or change what they were doing to help each other out. It's like he says "go do this" to the players, but doesn't tell them how to go about doing it.
He said yesterday it isn't rocket science. Well if it isn't, why is he having such a hard time explaining what is going on and what the solutions are? All he says is "we know that stuff" & vague crap like that. Anytime he is asked what his options are to fix things, he looks like a deer caught in the headlights.
In his post game chat with the media, he is consistently asked what the solution is & he never answers that question. He said yesterday they had to manage the puck, suggesting that he asked the players to do so but they just didn't do it (I assume that's what he was trying to say). Yet the team makes no adjustments to enable themselves to manage the puck better. They certainly didn't increase puck support or change what they were doing to help each other out. It's like he says "go do this" to the players, but doesn't tell them how to go about doing it.
He said yesterday it isn't rocket science. Well if it isn't, why is he having such a hard time explaining what is going on and what the solutions are? All he says is "we know that stuff" & vague crap like that. Anytime he is asked what his options are to fix things, he looks like a deer caught in the headlights.
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That is the teams biggest problem, not goaltending.
Chevy had failed to address the lack of secondary scoring on the team for three years straight.
The Jets don't need as many offensive minded D men as they have and should be using some of them for some forwards who can score.
Send Scheifele down, bring O'Dell up.
Keep Tangredi in the lineup. He makes mistakes but at least he generates some offensive chances.
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Yea good post Peter I am a Scheif supporter but he is not a 2nd line centre yet and we still need one of those and you nailed it on Pavs....he's a borderline NHL starter and not "good enough" for what this team needs.
Duke749
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At this point, I don't see how you can play Pavs right now. Sit him for at least a couple of games. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. Clearly Noel is insane. As are a couple of players.
We have way too many issues right now as a whole. Don't get why our D looks so good individually yet you watch us and clearly see major problems defensively.
We have way too many issues right now as a whole. Don't get why our D looks so good individually yet you watch us and clearly see major problems defensively.
I agree with you here, but I would lay a lot of blame on puck support down low. Watching the Hawks yesterday every-time their d got possession in their own end they had an easy and quick outlet pass to one of the forwards and boom they are out of their zone. For the Jets often time the d only have each other as an outlet pass, or something risky through the middle or something low % along the boards.
Duke749
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This is true quite a bit, but then you look at Enstrom, and he almost always finds someone or a way to get the puck out. So there's more to it then just puck support.
EDIT: It's something Trouba was pretty solid at as well, and I think we're missing that from him more then anything. His ability to just skate up out of the zone, or just get by one forechecker to get the puck up.
SensibleGuy
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There are some issues that are easy to identify. Goaltending is a pretty obvious issue and some of the problems Pavs has are likely helping to cause some of the other issues evident with the team. But the defensive issues - the turn-overs, the problems getting out of the zone, etc - are amazing and difficult to account for. At times, even making a clean pass seems to be a challenge for our Jets. Its also remarkable that none of the steps taken to try and improve certain aspects - bringing in Joki, Gooch, Frolik, etc - ever seem to pay dividends. We still have no balanced scoring and no depth. Coaching could be a bit of a blanket explanation for much of it.
I expect there'll be a coaching change soon so we may at least be able to scratch that off the checklist for a bit...
I expect there'll be a coaching change soon so we may at least be able to scratch that off the checklist for a bit...
Enstrom is a good puck mover so he is often able to get it out despite good puck support. But a lack of puck support constantly puts your defense under pressure, and often time when the puck gets out they are just getting it out rather than having anything set up, so the puck is right back in on the defense.
I just see us as a team that is easy to forecheck against and relies on the skill of our defense to get the puck out rather than having a set scheme. This leads to us continually losing possession in our own end.
maybe this, maybe that...
it's really beginning to look like time is running out on the Jets this year. hoping the excuses or false expectations will also fade away.
SensibleGuy
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Oh, we're not making the play-offs this year. That ship has pretty much sailed. I'm not interested in tanking for a draft pick though as I don't think that has any sort of assured pay-off. Changes need to be made and it might as well start now rather than waiting for the off season...
i said it before: this three game stand will likely be the end of Noel. they're now 0-1. now, while i don't like Noel, i think expectations are unfair to beat the Hawks twice while having 3-4 AHL d-men in the line-up.
but the only change that will likely happen will be his firing. with the salary cap, NHL GMs don't really know/understand how to make trades. and it is the wrong time of the year for trades to happen.
Chevy has addressed the lack of secondary scoring for the last two seasons, it simply hasn't worked out. Jokinen was signed after a 66 point season, so he looked like he would bring in some more goals. Unfortunately last season he **** the bed.
He brought in Frolik and Seto this year while losing absolutely no roster players. I'd call that addressing the secondary scoring.
I mean, unless we move one of our primary scorers we're not getting more scoring, so that seems like a more latteral move. The only logical choice is to move one of our RHD, which we haven't been in a position to do until now since Trouba is certainly a viable choice.
Agreed, really what more can Chevy do to address it without creating a hole somewhere else in the lineup. Do people really think that Trouba is ready to take over full time from Buff?
This team brought in a consistent 20 plus goal guy in Seto this year. It brought in a depth guy like Halischuk who has scored 15 in a lesser role. Frolik was brought in to provide defense and Tertiary scoring. Jokinen was brought in a couple of years ago. Why is it that all of these players are now having trouble scoring now that they are in Winnipeg? The simple fact is that this team should be scoring more with the personnel that this team has. So I'm left with the feeling that they have been asked to play a system that maybe doesn't suit the specific talent that this team has.
Noel tries things that don't work out and he needs to be fired.
Chevy brings in players that don't help solve any problems and he gets extended.
Bringing in guys that have provided scoring when playing on lines with more talented players in the past doesn't mean they will be able to do the same when they need to stand on their own two feet.
He was doing it in Minnesota with Matt Cullen as his center so I don't buy that.
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