Value of: Olli Maatta

[Spazkat]

A #1 Dman that Anaheim can't afford to sign. There's a gap between Lindholm and Maatta, I'll give you that. But what's the solution for the Ducks?

Perhaps a Maatta for Vatanen or Fowler+ that opens up $ for them to sign Lindholm.

Also don't forget, Maatta's rookie year was every bit as good as Lindholm has been. Lindholm is better (I will admit that) but I don't think the value is as far off as some make it seem. Anaheim wouldn't be able to take on salary, neither could the Pens. You could do something like Maatta+1st for Lindholm+2nd/3rd or something.

Oh god here we go. Another "you can't afford him so you HAVE to take the scraps we offer you and like it" proposal. Were the Ducks to trade Lindholm I imagine they would have suitors lined up out the door and every single one with a better offer than Maata and a 1st (and a very late 1st at that most likely)

As to the Maata for Vatanen... eww. I can't imagine what possible motivation there could be for that given the minimal cap savings involved compared to the on-ice downgrade

 

[SEALBound]

Oh god here we go. Another "you can't afford him so you HAVE to take the scraps we offer you and like it" proposal. Were the Ducks to trade Lindholm I imagine they would have suitors lined up out the door and every single one with a better offer than Maata and a 1st (and a very late 1st at that most likely)

As to the Maata for Vatanen... eww. I can't imagine what possible motivation there could be for that given the minimal cap savings involved compared to the on-ice downgrade

You hurt your argument by calling Maatta "scraps". Getting a young, top 4 dman signed to a good, long term contract is a good return for a RFA that you can't afford to sign. Whether you like it or not, that's a factor to consider. Just because you don't, doesn't mean others won't as well.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Do not want as a Wings fan.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Sbisa+2nd+?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Sbisa+2nd+?

Why would you even make this offer? It's just insultingly bad and you have to know that.

 

[Kasperi kapanen]

What about: Maatta+Kunitz+1st for Trouba+2nd/3rd?
You have to think that Maatta's contract also raises his value.

 

[Russian Factor]

Maatta's supposed drop in value has to be put into context. His injuries and things outside of his control have taken his value from ridiculous "he's like a young Lidstrom" levels to "he's probably a borderline #2, good #3" levels. So to say he's scraps in deals for Trouba or Lindholm is hyperbole.

His value being damaged doesn't mean value swings completely in the opposite direction. He has a tremendous contract and even with his issues is a very good player. Factor in that he even has a good possibility to get back to his previous status once there's some distance between him and his past injuries and he should be a very appealing target for anyone looking for a cost controlled young top 4 lefty with upside.

 

[Paradise*]

What about: Maatta+Kunitz+1st for Trouba+2nd/3rd?
You have to think that Maatta's contract also raises his value.

As a Jets fan I wouldn't even consider that proposal. Take out Kunitz and the Winnipeg pick and you're closer. Still concerned about Maatta's health and how it's stunted his development.

 

[Kasperi kapanen]

As a Jets fan I wouldn't even consider that proposal. Take out Kunitz and the Winnipeg pick and you're closer. Still concerned about Maatta's health and how it's stunted his development.

Well I added Kunitz bc Trouba's contract is gunna be close to 5.5-6mil. And Kunitz's contact ends this year anyways. The money difference between Maatta and Trouba has to be accounted for.

 

[Addison Rae]

Jake Virtanen for Oli Maatta

 

[Spazkat]

Maatta's supposed drop in value has to be put into context. His injuries and things outside of his control have taken his value from ridiculous "he's like a young Lidstrom" levels to "he's probably a borderline #2, good #3" levels. So to say he's scraps in deals for Trouba or Lindholm is hyperbole.

He's not a borderline 2 anymore... the way he's been playing it's a stretch to call him a solid top 4. Yes, his first year or 2 he looked great, but he has fallen off dramatically with no guarantees that he will ever regain past form let alone get back on pace for the trajectory he had.

Honestly the choice for the Pens at this point is hang on to him until he regains his value or trade him for what he is now. Basically a reclamation project. Its a good contract *if* he regains his prior form. Not so much as is. Saying 'he used to be a Trouba equivalent" and imply that he should still be valued that way despite his actual performance on the ice is a bit disingenuous to put it mildly. He would hardly be the first player who started off great then was derailed by injury and never regained prior levels of play.

 

[hamzarocks]

Jvr for maata plus 2nd or jvr plus 2nd for maata and a 1st. Is this a fair deal for pens fans

 

[SEALBound]

Jvr for maata plus 2nd or jvr plus 2nd for maata and a 1st. Is this a fair deal for pens fans

Pens don't add the pick. Maatta for JVR straight up is fair.

 

[hamzarocks]

Pens don't add the pick. Maatta for JVR straight up is fair.

The pick isn't all that important but it would be nice, I'd still do it without the pick to be honest. Quick question what side is maata better at right or left. If we were to trade jvr i would want to trade gardiner+ to get trouba. Him playing lhd would be nice as it would set up our top 4 very well. Also how bad is maata's skating. I mean is it being over exaggerated or has he lost his top end speed and won't be likely to get it back.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Pens don't add the pick. Maatta for JVR straight up is fair.

That is pretty fair without the pick.

I'd be interested in adding Maatta for Edmonton. What would the cost be from Edmonton?

 

[major major]

He's worth more than that in trade value because he has the time to turn it around, but at this point I'm surprised Pens fans aren't calling him bottom pair or worse. Just about every Pens game I see he looks like the weakest part of the lineup. Olli Molasses.

I'd be interested in adding Maatta for Edmonton. What would the cost be from Edmonton?

I can't imagine the Oilers are in a place as a franchise where they put high value on adding another highly inconsistent LHD.

 

[PAZ]

You hurt your argument by calling Maatta "scraps". Getting a young, top 4 dman signed to a good, long term contract is a good return for a RFA that you can't afford to sign. Whether you like it or not, that's a factor to consider. Just because you don't, doesn't mean others won't as well.

Maatta is scraps when you're not only comparing him to Lindholm, but using him as the main piece to trade for him as well. That's like saying Duchene + 1st for Malkin. In this trade where Duchene is the centerpiece for Malkin, he's considered scraps.

 

[Paradise*]

Well I added Kunitz bc Trouba's contract is gunna be close to 5.5-6mil. And Kunitz's contact ends this year anyways. The money difference between Maatta and Trouba has to be accounted for.

It doesn't need to be accounted for. A deal like that doesn't happen.

I'm sure the Jets could find a better deal elsewhere. If not, then they let Trouba sit and wait for the right deal to manifest.

 

[Magic Man]

Pouliot would need to really step up this season for me to be comfortable moving Maatta for anything but a replacement.

Assuming the Pens feel they can retain Daley, and Pouliot starts to outplay Maatta, would there be any interest in JVR for Maatta?

That would be a big yes please from Toronto. They can score goals with the best of them, but can't seem to keep any out. A forward sacrifice for a defenseman should be made.

I remember the Leafs being rumored to be after Maatta when dangling Phil. I also remember it being rumored that the Leafs and Pens were having discussions involving JVR at that time as well. Hunter is the Leafs talent guru and he had Maatta in London.

I wonder if these teams connect after the Trouba/Lindholm situations are figured out and everyone knows what's happening with them.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

The only thing I can see Maatta being traded for is a similar aged dman. About the only two realistic trades are Lindholm and Trouba. At $4mil, he fits each teams salary reqs (I believe) and he would excel on both teams. With that, Pens have Pouliot to move to LHD and either of them replace Daley after this year.

I believe these would have to be 1:1 trades. I don't believe there is much of a gap between any of them.

There's nothing realistic, at all, with Lindholm for maatta. And the gap is much bigger than you must think. Pre-injury/cancer, you could have had an argument, but not at all at this point in time. Even your fellow fans are calling him a slow mid-pairing dman, and doubt he tops out any further. You really believe he's on par with Lindholm?

Personally, I don't think he gets you Trouba either, but I'll leave that for Jet fans to argue.

 

[Will Hunting]

His value is going down by every game. He is really bad now. Had a good SC finals, but he was also really bad prior to that. The truth is, he sucks in 80% of games nowadays. He is obviously not a lost case yet, still young and has a chance to turn it around but I´m starting to believe that it won´t be in PIT. Sullivan´s system is not made for him, he is lost out there. I would take B.Smith+Athanasiou+ for him at this point as both players would be good fits in PIT. Yeah, I think that B.Smith is a solid player too.

 

[Pestilence]

God dammit HF. You're feeding the stereotype.

In case you forgot, Maatta's a 22 year old who excelled in the Cup Finals a few short months ago. Trading him because of a slow start through the first handful of games of the season is as stupid as it is short-sighted.

It's been five games already, it is clear that the guy belongs in the ECHL.

That's not entirely true either. He did well at the end of finals, but only after doing so badly he had to be benched for part of them. The point here is that Maata is not trending for the better, and using Lindholm as a comparable for him is bordering on absurd

He didn't get benched in the finals. He got benched vs. TBL, after which he was good for game 6 & game 7 + the cup finals.

 

[KIRK]

The pick isn't all that important but it would be nice, I'd still do it without the pick to be honest. Quick question what side is maata better at right or left. If we were to trade jvr i would want to trade gardiner+ to get trouba. Him playing lhd would be nice as it would set up our top 4 very well. Also how bad is maata's skating. I mean is it being over exaggerated or has he lost his top end speed and won't be likely to get it back.

I'd do JVR for Maatta too as a Pens fan, but it leaves the Pens will a big hole on defense that they're really not positioned internally to address.

 

[hamzarocks]

I'd do JVR for Maatta too as a Pens fan, but it leaves the Pens will a big hole on defense that they're really not positioned internally to address.

That sucks, it could be a trade that makes sense for both teams, but the pens would need to replace top 4 dmen like maata who's young and signed long term.

 

[Magic Man]

I'd do JVR for Maatta too as a Pens fan, but it leaves the Pens will a big hole on defense that they're really not positioned internally to address.

Leafs add Pens choice of Connor Carrick or Marty Marincin and the Pens add Filip Gustavsson.

The Pens stole him from the Leafs this past draft.