Value of: Olli Maatta

[Empoleon8771]

What about something around Athanasiou + Brendan Smith + a draft pick? While not as good as Maatta, Smith is a strong skater and would fit the Pens system well.

That really doesn't fill a need for the Penguins, they're basically just downgrading on Maatta to Smith for a pretty redundant player and a draft pick.

Maatta had a pretty good game today, but he looks like he got hurt again and he was outplayed by Pouliot (who was absolutely phenomenal). You might start seeing him scratched for a game here or there just because of how strong the other 6 defensemen have been for the Penguins.

 

[PensandCaps]

What about something around Athanasiou + Brendan Smith + a draft pick? While not as good as Maatta, Smith is a strong skater and would fit the Pens system well.

deal. smith right now is better. and AA is a nice bottom 6 speedster.

 

[OCPenguin]

deal. smith right now is better. and AA is a nice bottom 6 speedster.

LOL ... you don't watch Detroit play do you? Yes, AA has speed. Smith is not better than Maatta.

 

[PensandCaps]

LOL ... you don't watch Detroit play do you? Yes, AA has speed. Smith is not better than Maatta.

i do watch detriot actually. and smith is not a bad dman by any means. maatta is so bad, that an okay dman is better than him. maatta has been awful.

 

[Paradise*]

The only thing I can see Maatta being traded for is a similar aged dman. About the only two realistic trades are Lindholm and Trouba. At $4mil, he fits each teams salary reqs (I believe) and he would excel on both teams. With that, Pens have Pouliot to move to LHD and either of them replace Daley after this year.

I believe these would have to be 1:1 trades. I don't believe there is much of a gap between any of them.

The gaps are too big for a 1 for 1 trade. A solid + needs to be added for Trouba. A larger add for Lindholm.

 

[Leafs87]

To Pens: JVR
To Winnipeg: Maatta
To Toronto: Trouba

Leafs would consider it though there is a lot of questions around Trouba. Attitude and contract demands plus trading JVR opens up a bigger hole in the forwards then people realize

 

[NotYou]

The only thing I can see Maatta being traded for is a similar aged dman. About the only two realistic trades are Lindholm and Trouba. At $4mil, he fits each teams salary reqs (I believe) and he would excel on both teams. With that, Pens have Pouliot to move to LHD and either of them replace Daley after this year.

I believe these would have to be 1:1 trades. I don't believe there is much of a gap between any of them.

Sorry bro but this is straight up insane. Maata is comprable to brodin. Neither are comprable to lindholm. Maybe they were in their rookie years but not now. And I'm a wild fan who loves brodin and really liked maata his rookie year

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

God dammit HF. You're feeding the stereotype.

In case you forgot, Maatta's a 22 year old who excelled in the Cup Finals a few short months ago. Trading him because of a slow start through the first handful of games of the season is as stupid as it is short-sighted.

 

[TheGreat]

I don't get why Pits would trade anyone right now , they just won SC, the season just starting Plus Maatta is young , he had his ups and downs but still ALOT Potential in him left

IMHO i don't see the point to this thread

 

[TT1]

has he learned how to skate backwards yet?

 

[Bruce Granville]

God dammit HF. You're feeding the stereotype.

In case you forgot, Maatta's a 22 year old who excelled in the Cup Finals a few short months ago. Trading him because of a slow start through the first handful of games of the season is as stupid as it is short-sighted.

This.

But you know what the trouble with the world is.
Why should these boards be different?

 

[Spazkat]

God dammit HF. You're feeding the stereotype.

In case you forgot, Maatta's a 22 year old who excelled in the Cup Finals a few short months ago. Trading him because of a slow start through the first handful of games of the season is as stupid as it is short-sighted.

That's not entirely true either. He did well at the end of finals, but only after doing so badly he had to be benched for part of them. The point here is that Maata is not trending for the better, and using Lindholm as a comparable for him is bordering on absurd

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

This.

But you know what the trouble with the world is.
Why should these boards be different?

Touche.

That's not entirely true either. He did well at the end of finals, but only after doing so badly he had to be benched for part of them. The point here is that Maata is not trending for the better, and using Lindholm as a comparable for him is bordering on absurd

What I said is entirely true. As for the rest of Maatta's "trending", he had cancer, shoulder surgery complications, and sustained a brutal headshot from Orpik last playoffs, which obviously cloud the issue.

 

[Dying Alive]

That's not entirely true either. He did well at the end of finals, but only after doing so badly he had to be benched for part of them. The point here is that Maata is not trending for the better, and using Lindholm as a comparable for him is bordering on absurd

After taking a brutal head shot that caused him to miss games.

Maatta's biggest problem right now is recovering from his injuries/illness. The fact that he was so good before them leads me to believe that the problems are related to his ailments and fixable. The poor kid just can't catch a damn break.

 

[TehDoak]

Ok Pittsburgh, Maata for Gorges. No take backs.

 

[Dying Alive]

Ok Pittsburgh, Maata for Gorges. No take backs.

I guess that's an ok deal for Maata. For Maatta, though, forget it.

 

[Farnham4top6]

has he learned how to skate backwards yet?

unfortunately he seems to be even slower backwards

 

[SEALBound]

At comparable ages, Maatta and Lindholm are absolutely comparable. Maatta drew comparisons to a young Lidstrom. The sky was the limit for that kid. All things considered, once he's had a decent R&R time, he'll be back to a more normal (for him) performance. Cancer, shoulder injury, hip injury, thyroid issues, long season including the SCF, what - 2 months then the WCH, then immediately into the NHL reg season? That's a HEAVY "schedule" for anyone. He'll round back out.

The only thing that makes him an interest to Winnipeg or Anaheim is that he is indeed a young capable top 4 dman who is signed to a very reasonable long term contract. Win and Ana may not be able to afford their guys. Getting an Olli Maatta caliber player back for an RFA you can't resign (and who is currently not playing for you) is win. All too often HFBoards gets too wrapped up in the nickel and dimes of value and tend not to look at the big picture. Was Subban for Weber an even trade? Was Larson for Hall an even trade? They are all close and provide the other teams with what they needed.

So yes, I believe 1:1 Maatta for Trouba or Lindholm are doable trades.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Dream scenario would be to 1 for 1 swap him for Trouba and move Daley down to 3rd or force him back to the left side (which he doesn't like)

Definitely a dream. This might have been an option prior to the injuries/illness, but doubt the Jets look at a 1 for 1 with the Maata that's out there today

Before it'd make sense for the Jets and us.

Now Maatta doesn't hold as good value because hid injuries.

If he can bounce back that'd be huge.

 

[Cherpak]

To Pittsburgh:
LW: E. Kane
G: R. Lehner
2017 2nd round pick

To Buffalo:
D: O. Maatta
G: M. Andre-Fleury

Probably at the deadline. Solves the expansion problem for Pittsburgh. Kane adds scoring and physicality. Fleury upgrades Buffalo's net and Maatta adds a top-4 LHD and really helps Buffalo's defense corps.

Oh I could just see the tornado in the locker room the first time Kane mouthed off to Sullivan.

 

[Syckle78]

This kids value was insane on here after his first year.

 

[Cherpak]

This kids value was insane on here after his first year.

Its amazing what cancer/thyroid balance issues and a botched shoulder surgery can do for a career.

 

[Syckle78]

At comparable ages, Maatta and Lindholm are absolutely comparable. Maatta drew comparisons to a young Lidstrom. The sky was the limit for that kid. All things considered, once he's had a decent R&R time, he'll be back to a more normal (for him) performance. Cancer, shoulder injury, hip injury, thyroid issues, long season including the SCF, what - 2 months then the WCH, then immediately into the NHL reg season? That's a HEAVY "schedule" for anyone. He'll round back out.

The only thing that makes him an interest to Winnipeg or Anaheim is that he is indeed a young capable top 4 dman who is signed to a very reasonable long term contract. Win and Ana may not be able to afford their guys. Getting an Olli Maatta caliber player back for an RFA you can't resign (and who is currently not playing for you) is win. All too often HFBoards gets too wrapped up in the nickel and dimes of value and tend not to look at the big picture. Was Subban for Weber an even trade? Was Larson for Hall an even trade? They are all close and provide the other teams with what they needed.

So yes, I believe 1:1 Maatta for Trouba or Lindholm are doable trades.

Well, you're free to believe whatever you want but you're just wrong.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Well, you're free to believe whatever you want but you're just wrong.

Yeah, basically this. Maatta for Trouba is close to fair because both have had their own issues with consistency in their early careers. But Lindholm? Absolutely no way, he's a fringe #1D already.

 

[SEALBound]

Yeah, basically this. Maatta for Trouba is close to fair because both have had their own issues with consistency in their early careers. But Lindholm? Absolutely no way, he's a fringe #1D already.

A #1 Dman that Anaheim can't afford to sign. There's a gap between Lindholm and Maatta, I'll give you that. But what's the solution for the Ducks?

Perhaps a Maatta for Vatanen or Fowler+ that opens up $ for them to sign Lindholm.

Also don't forget, Maatta's rookie year was every bit as good as Lindholm has been. Lindholm is better (I will admit that) but I don't think the value is as far off as some make it seem. Anaheim wouldn't be able to take on salary, neither could the Pens. You could do something like Maatta+1st for Lindholm+2nd/3rd or something.