Vamos Rafa
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I definitely hope he's just recovering from the surgery. I just don't want him to look like he's missing Greene and Mitchell (who won't be with the Kings for long), or else he'll just be labeled as a system goalie.
ok what's wrong with QUICK!?
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Things will tighten up when we get someone physical in front of the net. Mitchell and Greene were the two best crease clearers last year, meaning the few rebounds Quick let up weren't grabbed by anyone. Now if Qucikm leaves a rebound, someone is there to get it. Ellerby needs to find a bit of Chris Pronger right away. Muzzin too. We are lacking a lot of nasty on this blueline.
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In other words, they need to do their jobs. Scoring goals from the point is great but, I'd take a true crease clearing defenseman any day of the week.
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Nothing that him simply getting hot again wouldn't fix. And oh, maybe a little more team D in front of him, that might help too. 
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Too healthy.
No but really, it's gotta be hard for a goalie to keep focus when they're bored for long stretches of game then are suddenly hit with a high-quality chance in the slot...
No but really, it's gotta be hard for a goalie to keep focus when they're bored for long stretches of game then are suddenly hit with a high-quality chance in the slot...
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At some point he's got to make saves. He's not made saves this year. Blame it on defense all you want, but the man needs to make saves. he's not locating the puck. He's not reacting on a lot of shots. If you don't react on shots or even know where the puck is at times that is on the netminder. Tic tac toe passes, open man in the slot, etc has been happening a lot against the Kings this year due to piss coverage but you simply have to react to them.
Goalies in general started out bad this year, but all of those top goalies are once again acting like top goalies. Quick was poor to start and is gradually getting worse. look at stats and watch the games and it says the same story. I think the OP's question is valid. There is something going on and I think it's mental.
I've been saying it all year so me taking this stance is not reactionary.
Goalies in general started out bad this year, but all of those top goalies are once again acting like top goalies. Quick was poor to start and is gradually getting worse. look at stats and watch the games and it says the same story. I think the OP's question is valid. There is something going on and I think it's mental.
I've been saying it all year so me taking this stance is not reactionary.
The Kings only real stay at home D men are out long term.
Maybe Bernier's consecutive starts bugged him.
He'll overcome it. Just like he overcame his early streakiness and ongoing criticism of his lack of a positional game.
Maybe Bernier's consecutive starts bugged him.
He'll overcome it. Just like he overcame his early streakiness and ongoing criticism of his lack of a positional game.
His reads are very off and his awareness of the puck is also, he's not the reason we lost but he isn't the same quick. Defense was bad but hhe wasn't really sharp himself. Slow movement and all. Not saying it was his fault but he's not making those big saves to help us win when our defense messes up.
It feels like every slip up we have we get scored on, Quick used to bail us out quite often, you used to hear Jim say remember that save and never has he said it cause quick hasn't been stellar this season. Again I'm being critical cause I've seen him at god mode and seeing him play average is glaring to me.
It feels like every slip up we have we get scored on, Quick used to bail us out quite often, you used to hear Jim say remember that save and never has he said it cause quick hasn't been stellar this season. Again I'm being critical cause I've seen him at god mode and seeing him play average is glaring to me.
So Quick wasn't at fault at all for Eakin's goal or Morrow's goal? There were at least two goals tonight that Quick should have had.
It's obvious that he's not 100% back to his form of last year. But I think missing Mitchell and Greene has a lot to do with it as well.
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He could have had Morrow's goal, and Eakin's goal happened because he walked straight through the D (I still don't know how he did that) and had a really good chance. I don't blame Quick for that one, but it is disturbing how often Scuderi has been burned lately. The Morrow and Jagr #2 goals he was totally lost.
Quick has to be better sure, but much like Bernier against St. Louis, it's hard to place those goals solely on his shoulders.
Quick has to be better sure, but much like Bernier against St. Louis, it's hard to place those goals solely on his shoulders.
I agree that the D is mostly to blame, but I think those two goals in particular are goals that last season's version of Quick would have saved.
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Morrow's very possibly. It was a back door play, nobody was paying attention, but he may have kicked that out last season once it hit the pad. In the large scope of things this game is hardly a big deal but it is very annoying tonight. Saturday should and had better be much better.
Also to be considered is that everyone has the book on Quick now. There are no longer any secrets, other teams have all those extra games to watch tape of and dissect. They had the book on him sure, but when two goaltenders are playing late in the season, other teams have a great opportunity to see what the flaws of those goaltenders are at their very best. So when they're not at their best...
It is on Quick to be like a Brodeur and stay at his best, stay consistent. I'll give him some slack because of the back surgery but that only lasts so long.
Also to be considered is that everyone has the book on Quick now. There are no longer any secrets, other teams have all those extra games to watch tape of and dissect. They had the book on him sure, but when two goaltenders are playing late in the season, other teams have a great opportunity to see what the flaws of those goaltenders are at their very best. So when they're not at their best...
It is on Quick to be like a Brodeur and stay at his best, stay consistent. I'll give him some slack because of the back surgery but that only lasts so long.
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It's kind of funny I was hearing the asst. coach in Tampa talking about goaltending today and that it's a position that needs practice. And with the shorted schedule goalies aren't getting in the practice days they are use to getting. Then add the that Quick is really only 2 months removed from where he would have been cleared to play after surgery and it takes time to recover. And once again because of the shortened season he hasn't gotten that time to work into things. He's had to try to work it out in game. Add in the fact that our two of our veteran D go down and it really just compounds these problems.
But remember we are 7-3 in the last 10 and I'm sure we would take those numbers for the rest of the season and be very happy. We're still top half of the league in GAA just not right at the top. Things could be better but it is no time to panic.
But remember we are 7-3 in the last 10 and I'm sure we would take those numbers for the rest of the season and be very happy. We're still top half of the league in GAA just not right at the top. Things could be better but it is no time to panic.
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This is a copy of a post a I made in the GDT in the Canunks thread to someone about Quick/goalies. For those that say nothing is wrong with him, I beg to differ.
"True but then we found out he was suffering with a back injury that required him to lay down on the floor of the plane while traveling. Then after the season have a back surgery for a diagnosis that we have not been told nor a procedure that we have been told of the extent. ( I am a health care professional) He would not have been ready to start the season had it started on time.
Don't get me wrong, I love Quick but he has not looked good yet this season. JB has looked better and does deserve more play time. The outcome of the game with the Red Wings would have been much different had Quick been in goal.
We want to win, then play the goalie that is not coming off a back injury and with back injuries you just never know if you will be the same"
"True but then we found out he was suffering with a back injury that required him to lay down on the floor of the plane while traveling. Then after the season have a back surgery for a diagnosis that we have not been told nor a procedure that we have been told of the extent. ( I am a health care professional) He would not have been ready to start the season had it started on time.
Don't get me wrong, I love Quick but he has not looked good yet this season. JB has looked better and does deserve more play time. The outcome of the game with the Red Wings would have been much different had Quick been in goal.
We want to win, then play the goalie that is not coming off a back injury and with back injuries you just never know if you will be the same"
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Mitchell and Greene out is a problem for Quick. May not be THE problem, but it's certainly a factor.
I don't like this comparison, at all! Dwight was rushed into his start, Quick had months off and even said he'd be ready for the beginning of the season. D12 wasn't supposed to play until January
This is bigger than a factor. It's 90% of the problem. Scuderi and Doughty are logging way too much ice time and their decision making (especially Scuderi) is taking a hit. They better pray Mitchell comes back this season or else we're losing in the first round. The Kings aren't the type to beat teams 6-5 or 4-3, etc. 2-1 hockey games, 3-2 league like Sutter likes to call it and we wear teams down. They can't do these things without Mitchell and Greene
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Quick can SAY whatever he wants. How many players say this all the time. Seriously time to take the tunnel vision visors off people.
I don't believe that for one second. Quick didn't seem to falter under Sutter last year.
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It's a very gradual process, but the Kings are ever so slowly shaking off the defensive discipline instilled in them by their former coach.
Last season was different. Sutter came in while the Kings still had D on their minds. Fast forward to this season. The team has had a Stanley Cup and a whole summer and a lockout and a fall in between themselves and Terry Murray. They're slipping, forgetting their defensive identity.
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If Mitchell and Greene were in the lineup, and games like this happened, and you posted this, then I'd be more inclined to agree with you. But we can't determine this yet, not with the goalies playing positively average and our D overhauled with rookies and recently healthy players.
They have looked brilliant in as many games as they looked bad. Last night was another one of those nights where the passing is off and everyone is fighting the puck. No crisp passing, poorer puck recovery, no efficient breakouts, and therefore no flow. Inconsistency, fatigue and inexperience are our enemies, not forgetting our identity wholesale.
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