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Post-Game Talk: Oilers suffer from narcolepsy again to start the season
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Mr Kot
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Drivesaitl
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The team has no sparkplug. There is no Mike Grier on this club. On this roster that nature of player doesn't exist. Its why some of us recognized the importance of a player like Kostin in the lineup. Or Kane. We don't have either. Ask yourself what player o this lineup would go over to the bench and instill some kind of fear or detente. That player doesn't exist here. The Hawks have multiple players on roster that would do that.
Some people were pissed that McD took a liberty after Kaiser nailed him. I thought McD was more just trying to avoid injury and that he might have fallen back on play and hit his head on ice. I think Kaiser took liberties on the play, I think Maroon did when he put an Oiler in the bench, I thought another Hawk did when he put RV's head into the boards.
At best the response of this roster is to pretend to respond to that. It may as well be the boys standing on the bus stop. All our players have potential targets on backs and not a thing this roster will do about it. How do people not see that all the stars on this club are on their own? Physically they are left on their own to fight their own battles. Thus both Mc and Drai becoming chippy players. They have no choice.
The Hawks have Patrick Maroon, Foligno, Kaiser, Vlasic even Seth Jones that were taking liberties out there. Anybody here name one tough that is presently in the Oilers lineup.
I agree. Toss in a few soft goals from Skinner and co and here we are. Oh, and the penalty kill is not working out so far.
Drivesaitl
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A foreshadowing message from the overlords that the gig is up. In a year this is all that CBC will be able to show for programming. lol
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Yep. Reasonable post. The Oilers did a lot on this game and had a ton of scoring chances and not cashing. Holding sticks too tightly, nerves, thoughts of pressure and not falling into a hole again. The Oilers seem a bit panicked around the net, not composed. So many no finishes and from everybody.
The NHL is hard and each game theres a game within a game. Last night you got young stud Connor Bedard that wants to beat Connor McDavid in a game. he did, but thats what young stars are about, its their SC. To a young superstar they'll have more jam in a game like this, they have more intent, motivation, etc because this game means everything to them. How is McD supposed to match that. I posed this last night but nobody responded, but how was Guy Lafleur supposed to match the youth, enthusiasm and fire of a young Wayne Gretzky. He couldn't, he NEVER did. He never got the best of Gretz and the Oilers.
Last night Hawks also have Taylor Hall who this org f***ed over, totally f***ed over. Hall made a lot of mistakes in this game but he played with a lot of verve and was a threat and made plays. Hall was ditched from this club while worse players were retained. How's he supposed to feel about that. Then you have RNH invisible in this game and it seemingly means nothing to him. He's the gifted favorite living a charmed life that was retained. A tale of two players.
Then you have guys like Maroon who have played us with a chip on shoulder every time out.
Hawks had a lot of motivation and a lot of want to beat us. This is the gunning the Oilers will see all season and different teams having issue with the Oilers. Calgary will too.
It might just seem like McLeod was a key pk player as I stated all along. Without him we have more trouble covering gaps, we don't have that guy forcing pucks out up high, we don't have his speed, reach, or covering lanes with stick work. We have a lot of slower pk players this season, one year older, that are chasing plays and not making them.
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Ya I get all this. They also added skill and hockey smarts to their top 9 and got rid of no brain players like McCloud (skates fast and did nothing). But if doesn’t compensate for all the other stuff.
Like you said, a lot of regression out there in key spots, unfortunately. There is a lot of work that needs to be done to this roster.
This is a thing I’ve noticed about the power play that is all of a sudden ass for the entirety of pre season and through two games to date.
The quick strike goals that the Oilers have been wearing simply would not happen here the way they are playing at the moment. Win the draw, slowly move it around, get it to the point, dust it off, slowly move it around, take a 0% shot, dust it off, turn it over on the wall. Rinse and repeat.
Nothing about this team is being done with any speed or assertiveness so far, and it has nothing to do with the “they skate slow” or “they’re old” narratives. These are our top players that can’t do anything at the moment. This is among the most disinterested McDavid has ever looked playing hockey and he has to shake out of it.
We're going to keep saying goaltending but the only changes we've made is to our torrid defence. Yeah Skinner and Pickard have been awful but look at how brutally and slowly the Oilers are bringing the puck, passing wise/rushing wise, up the ice.
I can't believe we thought 3 players, that are #6-7 Dmen, were going to fix the holes that Broberg and Ceci left behind
I can't believe we thought 3 players, that are #6-7 Dmen, were going to fix the holes that Broberg and Ceci left behind
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McDNicks17
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A guy that played like 10 games doesn't leave a hole.
Drivesaitl
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Its not entirely it. Another way to look at it is the Oilers have the top superstars in hockey and two or more of the most scouted players in the world. To that degree of course the opponents are going to be more prepared for McD, Drai, Hyman, Booch, the whole hockey world were glued on them last season and playoffs.
Conversely the Oilers sweat no dime whatsoever covering Bedard or Dickenson or Hall or Bertuzzi. Almost as if those players don't exist. The team is arrogant, and our superstars seem to be that at times. Not trying to diss them at all, its just an aspect in their play that thinks they don't have to cover off on other teams star players. We get some of this lack of respect in a lot of the games. The Oilers even state their focuse is making teams worry about their game. Well no opponent is worried yet and every attempt has been made to shutdown our top 4 guys. Opponent teams are keying specifically on those 4. Committing all resource to stop them. Its how you chop the Oilers tree, at the base of it.
All while having the lowest expected goals against in the league and among the best defensive metrics in general.
If we had average AHL level goaltending at this point we’d be talking about how we can’t score a goal if our lives depended on it on the way to a few 3-0/3-1 losses, not about defense.
Wow man you guys are so delusional. He's played more than 10 games and, if you think I'm lying, go watch his games with the Blues so far instead of looking at just analytics
I watched them and he’s been getting his dick kicked in more often than not.
Comical that anyone thinks that the existence of Broberg on this team would have produced a different result in the first two games.
As much as Foegele and McLeod didn’t do much offensively, they succeeded defensively. Skinner and Arvidsson are not good defensively and our d isn’t strong enough outside of the top pair to cover for them.
Janmark and Brown are also not long term 3rd line players. So we are running 2 lines of 4th liners+Henrique. The top line is playing at like 30% of their ability if that and the second line if they aren’t scoring are getting their shit pushed in. Objectively good players but a bad trio.
guymez
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Arvidsson is pretty good defensivley. Good on the PK as well.
I am not as sure about Skinner.
McLeod is a good positional player defensively and Foegele had his ups and downs. So how much of a dropoff are we really talking about with the forwards? Not much if at all IMO.
The D definitely is not good enough. How many contending teams are trying to find a #4 dman in a player who has 30 MHL games under his belt in Emberson or a PTO player in Dermott.
Not a sound plan IMO.
At best it seems to me that the plan is to have the D tread water until the new year and then add a player.
That may or may not work.
It certainly wont work if the team as a whole doesnt commit to playing defence and they continue to get below average goaltending.
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LemmyUlanov55
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Arvidsson has looked awful on the PK here. Skinner is one of the worst defensive players in the league and Draisaitl isn’t good there either. Arvidsson isn’t terrible but it’s not good. So we have one average D players, 1 ehh and one awful. They go out most often with Nurse and whoever is on his wing, which sucks defensively. So you have a constant unit of 4 bad at d and one guy who is okay. That’s a terrible recipe.
They will wake up when we fire Knoblauch and hire Quenneville.
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guymez
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Some hyperbole here.
The PK has looked awful on the whole. Arvidsson cant be judged on that. The players are not in sync and the intensity is not where it should be just yet so of course the PK, and offence, and team defence is going to look bad.
The D is another matter though. There is little reason to think that this D as it stands right now (on paper) would even be an average D in this League.
The team speed may also be a concern because they have not replaced Foegeles and McLeods speed.
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McShogun99
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They probably had this game circled as a guaranteed win. At least they’re usually ready to play when it’s against Calgary.
Drivesaitl
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People kept not believing me that RV was one of the worst Kings in the first round playoffs. Defensively he's done. he's higher GA now. Doesn't score much either now.
People will get predictably seduced by how busy RV will look but there isn't really much cashing going on. He's a worse player than Foegele now just banging at pucks. RV used to be good.
Problem begins with Dustin Schwartz end of story
Idgaf what angle people yry to playboy spin. The fact we are 2 games in and the biggest problem so far is goaltending AGAIN is mind boggling esp considering it's been are biggest problem under this guys tenure and he is still fking employed..
Idgaf what angle people yry to playboy spin. The fact we are 2 games in and the biggest problem so far is goaltending AGAIN is mind boggling esp considering it's been are biggest problem under this guys tenure and he is still fking employed..
Drivesaitl
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Well he's not getting caved so far. He's got a goal and 2 assists, 3pts, and is walking the line like a good D on Blues 2nd unit PP. He could be doing the same here and we could have a 2nd unit PP. As it is we leave our top guys out on the ice until they fall down.
Broberg has looked good so far in STL. Ain't nobody there disappointed. Its early but he's continuing where he left off here in playoffs.
