Confirmed with Link: Oilers sign Connor Brown to 1-year incentive laden deal ($775K caphit, potentially $3.25M in bonuses)

[oXo Cube]

I thought the point was making a contending team better each offseason. This team instead has had to punt players because of cap. usually teams have to pare down after going all out on roster and winning a cup. We've done that without winning shit. If Connor Brown is shit he just takes up cap we really don't have and also compromises our cap for next season in what I'm hearing.

But this is a cap positive move for this season because we're adding a high upside player for a cap hit of zero(0) if he doesn't work out.

But I get it, you're just trying to hijack the thread to keep whining about Kostin.

 

[duul]

The guy is incentivized to not get injured in order to collect his 3.25 million dollars. How does that impact someone's mind when they have a history of injuries? You're making peanuts UNLESS you don't get injured, then you're making way more than you're worth.

How do you think someone is going to play when their earnings depend on them not getting hurt, as someone who has been hurt their entire career essentially?

This is a recipe for disaster.

I thought the point was making a contending team better each offseason. This team instead has had to punt players because of cap. usually teams have to pare down after going all out on roster and winning a cup. We've done that without winning shit. If Connor Brown is shit he just takes up cap we really don't have and also compromises our cap for next season in what I'm hearing.

He is not a significant upgrade on even Yamamoto, who just got bought out and traded for nothing. It's concerning to say the least.

 

[Drivesaitl]

It’s completely fine. Brown is known to be a high character guy and McDavid knows him well. There’s no universe where this guy is a 4th liner, injuries are the biggest concern so GP totally reasonable. Also our cap situation is much better next year


Kostin has never been the same level player as Brown. Not sure why so many people in this thread are talking about a player they clearly don’t know anything about

Nobody presently knows what Connor Brown is. Even those that have watched him lots. He's turning 30 this season and hasn't played more than 4 games in a long time. Last time Connor even scored a goal was March 2022. 16mths ago.

As per usual people ride on past performance rather than what the present probably looks like for an aging seriously injured player.

Kostin is the better option and better player now. Kostin even outscored Browns total from most recent seasons the respective players played. Recency matters because its what you get now. Not necessarily what the player was.

Fact is a player that hasn't spit a drop in a season of half is an unknown. Is a gamble. This is a far bigger risk than Caps took.

lol at hearing "high character guy" an alleged attribute that means nothing, is stated as fiction, is not definable or discernible in anyway but just gets tossed about.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

It being games played is awful for the team because it’s not based on performance just ability to show up to a game.
Best case he plays great and our cap hurts next year. Worst case he plays like a shit 4th liner and our cap is hurt next year.

Would mean he's healthy and his injury is behind him. He played only 4 games last year. This structuring protects us in case the issue resurfaces. Also a massive help with the bonus money counting towards next season and not in guaranteed salary this season.

 

[Drivesaitl]

But this is a cap positive move for this season because we're adding a high upside player for a cap hit of zero(0) if he doesn't work out.

But I get it, you're just trying to hijack the thread to keep whining about Kostin.

Connor Brown at age 30 is a high upside player? you can think that.

The likelihood is a declining asset that we got off serious injury. Caps didn't even make an offer did they?

How is the caphit zero if he doesn't work out. If he plays game he gets paid.

 

[sepHF]

Where are the terms?

Haven’t seen the full terms yet but Rishaug said the bonus are all based off games played

Having issues with linking Twitter today but if you go to his page you’ll see it

 

[CycloneSweep]

Would mean he's healthy and his injury is behind him. He played only 4 games last year. This structuring protects us in case the issue resurfaces. Also a massive help with the bonus money counting towards next season and not in guaranteed salary this season.

In a way. He could be healthy enough to play but hampered enough that he is a shadow of that he once was. That’s my only issue with it. If he is a 20-30 point guy but playe the eholr season that will sting.

 

[oXo Cube]

Connor Brown at age 30 is a high upside player? you can think that.

How is the caphit zero if he doesn't work out. If he plays game he gets paid.

If he's not good he won't play.

Pretty straightforward.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Connor Brown at age 30 is a high upside player? you can think that.

The likelihood is a declining asset that we got off serious injury. Caps didn't even make an offer did they?

How is the caphit zero if he doesn't work out. If he plays game he gets paid.

Allegedly multiple teams made multi year offers but he ranted to come play with McDavid. He wanted to play with a contender, something Wash isn’t right now.

 

[Pass the Saitl Sauce]

If woodcroft thinks brown is playing to not get hurt he should scratch him to remind him he’s here to produce. Even if he reaches his bonus we should have bourgault ready in a year to step in on a ELC so it’s not the end of the world.

Edit: also he’s still playing for his next contract he’s going to be banking Mcdavid points

 

[Drivesaitl]

The guy is incentivized to not get injured in order to collect his 3.25 million dollars. How does that impact someone's mind when they have a history of injuries? You're making peanuts UNLESS you don't get injured, then you're making way more than you're worth.

How do you think someone is going to play when their earnings depend on them not getting hurt, as someone who has been hurt their entire career essentially?

This is a recipe for disaster.


He is not a significant upgrade on even Yamamoto, who just got bought out and traded for nothing. It's concerning to say the least.

Agreed. A non incentivized contract in the competitive world of pro sports. hey guy just show up, you get paid.

Not sure how people are thinking this guy is coming here to win it all. Other than maybe some blanket words. Seems like just another tosser looking for a last cheque while he still can. Sure the list wasn't long for a player that just missed a full season.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

If woodcroft thinks brown is playing to not get hurt he should scratch him to remind him he’s here to produce. Even if he reaches his bonus we should have bourgault ready in a year to step in on a ELC so it’s not the end of the world.

Edit: also he’s still playing for his next contract he’s going to be banking Mcdavid points

If he's playing to not get hurt, he'll get himself scratched.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Looks like a nothing signing. A smallish guy that scores once in awhile who is soft as butter in our topsix and who falls asleep in the playoffs.

We just let go an absolute gamer like Kostin who just scored 3 goals in playoffs for a guy that has one playoff goal in his entire career.

Not exactly thrilling this. We lost more than we gained to this point.

Kostin had upside. Kostin was clearly a playoff player. Unlike Brown.

You're embarrassing yourself with your clear lack of knowledge on Brown. You also called him a "small peripheral player" and admitted your player analysis is from stat watching. Maybe put the hockey card down and wait and see how he plays in Edmonton.

 

[OilerTyler]

I think the difference of opinion we have here is that I don't think 3.25 million for only games played as bonus is "within reason". Like at all. If you want 3.25 million it needs to come with some goals/points, especially when none of us know how good he'll be after a major injury. Otherwise it could devolve into a situation comparable to what happened with Puljujarvi/Yamamoto last season, except even worse b/c it'd result in 3.25 million in dead cap.

How many other players are signing contracts today that require certain production to be paid? Just because Brown is eligible to sign a contract like that doesn't mean he will. He was presumably offered more guaranteed money from other teams and is doing us a favour to even agree to the contract that he did. If he went elsewhere we'd be looking at Lavoie or Yamamoto starting our year in the top six.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Allegedly multiple teams made multi year offers but he ranted to come play with McDavid. He wanted to play with a contender, something Wash isn’t right now.

Citation?

 

[Oilslick941611]

Just stat surfing but still worried about this one. Injured player missing all of last season, turning 30 soon, its been years since he put up much. Last two seasons just 10 goals. 3 seasons ago was huge but how much of that player will we even see here?

People are saying its worth the risk and such but I'm not seeing it. Do we get the player he was in 2021 or the one he's been since?

I don't see the excitement of slotting this guy in topsix. better options were available last season. To me Tolvanen looks to have better top end and still young. Seattle got that player for nothing.

its a 775k cap hit if it doesn't work out.

Like come on.

I get being a contrarian but like this is absurd.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

How many other players are signing contracts today that require certain production to be paid? Just because Brown is eligible to sign a contract like that doesn't mean he will. He was presumably offered more guaranteed money from other teams and is doing us a favour to even agree to the contract that he did. If he went elsewhere we'd be looking at Lavoie or Yamamoto starting our year in the top six.

Well Blake Wheeler for one is a better player than Brown and his games played bonuses are about 10x less than that of Brown's. Not saying it needs to be as low as 300k but 3.25 million is more than what we were paying Yamamoto/Puljujarvi. If Brown fails to hit 40 points at that number it's a disaster.

 

[Drivesaitl]

If he's not good he won't play.

Pretty straightforward.

Not really. If I had an ounce of faith in the coaching staff I might think so. But Woody likes vets and plays favorites. If your name is Holloway, Broberg, Kostin it doesn't matter how you play, you're seeing the bench or getting scratched.

 

[duul]

How many other players are signing contracts today that require certain production to be paid? Just because Brown is eligible to sign a contract like that doesn't mean he will. He was presumably offered more guaranteed money from other teams and is doing us a favour to even agree to the contract that he did. If he went elsewhere we'd be looking at Lavoie or Yamamoto starting our year in the top six.

What a nice guy, taking 4 mil for one year coming off a brutal injury and surgery when his production is similar to Yamamoto's, a guy who just got bought out and was getting paid considerably less.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Looks like a nothing signing. A smallish guy that scores once in awhile who is soft as butter in our topsix and who falls asleep in the playoffs.

We just let go an absolute gamer like Kostin who just scored 3 goals in playoffs for a guy that has one playoff goal in his entire career.

Not exactly thrilling this. We lost more than we gained to this point.

Kostin had upside. Kostin was clearly a playoff player. Unlike Brown.

Kostin got 2 mil a year.

Kostin was an even bigger ? when he arrived here.

Have some faith.

 

[Drivesaitl]

its a 775k cap hit if it doesn't work out.

Like come on.

I get being a contrarian but like this is absurd.

Maybe I'm not understanding the contract. The twitter of it was posted earlier but it wouldn't load. I thought if he played he gets paid? do you have faith Woody would park him? Woody only parks ELC players.

 

[OilerTyler]

What a nice guy, taking 4 mil for one year coming off a brutal injury and surgery when his production is similar to Yamamoto's, a guy who just got bought out and was getting paid considerably less.

Do you think Yamamoto is a better player than Brown?

 

[Drivesaitl]

What a nice guy, taking 4 mil for one year coming off a brutal injury and surgery when his production is similar to Yamamoto's, a guy who just got bought out and was getting paid considerably less.

Its hilarious people are saying Brown is coming here to win, and he signed a non competitive show up participation ribbon contract. Not convincing. Worse he has McD's blessings so its guaranteed he'll never be out of the lineup. No matter how little he does.

 

[alphahelix]

I think its fair to be a bit critical of it.



$4M when all the bonuses are tied to games played is quite a bit of money for a guy who averages less than 40 points per 82 games played.

I think a lot more Oiler fans would have been more comfortable with something like $1.5M base salary and $1.5M bonuses. More guaranteed money for Brown but less potential risk for eating up a significant chunk up cap the following season. Or at the very least tie some of the bonuses to actual performance. So that if you're getting the full hit the following season at least you knew you got a ~55 point season or something for it.

Now of course the argument is "well he probably wouldn't have signed that deal" which... fair. But maybe thats when you move on and look elsewhere.

10000%

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Maybe I'm not understanding the contract.

That's minimum you aren't understanding.

His Cap hit for THIS Season is $775K with the potential to earn $3.25M in bonus related to various things, likely alot to games played.

If earned they would carry over to NEXT season. It's not Ideal, but you have to be creative, and this is a way to do that.