Post-Game Talk: Oilers score 5 goals and an ENG without McDrai

[Fourier]

Should Daccord be a goalie in NHL after all that he leaked through last night? As you said defensive breakdowns happen all the time but goalies being the last line of D get the most blame. Skinner wasn't good but atleast he didn't let in muffins last night. I don't see a point in bashing Skinner anymore now that he be will a starter for us in playoffs. Take him for the below avg goalie he is and work the game around him.
It's similar to accepting what we have in Bouchard and just work around his brain farts instead of hoping Emberson or Klingberg will replace him in playoffs

Daccord has been more consistent than Skinner this year regardless of last nights performance. It's not about one goal or one game, but rather what happens over the course of many games, a season, or multiple seasons. But in fact, the contrast between Bouchard and Skinner is actually a very good place to look. Both players make very obvious mistakes. And some of Bouchard's worst mistakes end up costing Skinner dearly. But when you look at the big picture over many games it turns out that by pretty much every metric the good with Bouchard far outweighs the bad while with Skinner just the opposite happens. Neither player is solely responsible for all that happens when they are on the ice, but this pattern has repeated itself over multiple seasons.

You are 100% correct in that Skinner is almost for sure going to be the go to guy to carry much of the weight in net this year. Every time he takes the ice I will be pulling for him to have a good game. I take no pleasure in any of his failures since it is the team that counts.

 

[CrazyJoeDavola]

Why should Brown sit over Janmark?

I feel like even Janmark generates more 5on5 than Brown. Brown, to me, is literally just a pker and nothing else. Maybe it's a wash, but Janmark has better speed overall. Dunno.

 

[CupofOil]

Brown should be the guy to sit. But we know he won't be

Disagree, Brown is playing well, he just can't finish.

Listening to GYB as I do my chores and Rob Brown is saying that he sees Jeff Skinner out of the lineup when Kane and Frederic return because there's no room in the top 6 with Perry on the 4th line. I'm confused by this because I see....

???-McDavid-Hyman
Kane-Draisaitl-Frederic
Podkolzin-RNH-Arvidsson
Perry-Henrique-Brown

Who does he see on McDavid 's wing? Janmark?
Odd take by him. Skinner is a top 6 winger who should play in the top 6. I don't see any other options anyway with Nuge at center.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I feel like even Janmark generates more 5on5 than Brown. Brown, to me, is literally just a pker and nothing else. Maybe it's a wash, but Janmark has better speed overall. Dunno.

But he doesn’t and it’s not a wash. Brown is pretty much better at everything.

 

[Jarvi]

I don't wanna see McDrai together at all. I want the team to have the same mindset they had last game, and accountability for all lines, especially on the PP. We want to give our stars as much rest as we can heading into the playoffs, and try to give other guys a boost of confidence heading in? Well change out PP1 .75-1min in, or leave one/both of McDrai in and change the rest of the guys. The PP is beyond stale, regardless of where it's at in the standings, with our firepower it should be #1.

Skinner, Perry, Walman, and Rico can all get a significant bump in PP usage in my eyes. Kane when he is back as well. Hell, I've even liked Arvy's game enough recently to not mind seeing him get some time with the man advantage.

McDrai, Ekholm, Bouchard are all averaging more minutes than last year, and and all have been injured this year, except Bouchard maybe?

 

[K1984]

Maybe I'm remembering wrong. I thought they took them apart because Kulak wasn't comfortable on the right side and the game 1 vs FLA played them together and it was a mess?

They played together from Game 4-6 of the Stars series and were amazing. Then it was determined Kulak “wasn’t comfortable” on his off side, the disaster Nurse - Ceci pair got put together for Game 1, and then they promptly teamed up for a deserved -1 early in the game. Nurse was with Broberg the rest of the way and wasn’t much better with him either.

Nurse is such a head case that I think once he looks ok with someone for a stretch, just don’t change it. Even if it in theory makes no sense on paper, just don’t change it.

I can easily see them try and force this Nurse - Walman pair because theoretically it would set the pairs in the right way 1 to 3. They’ve been an utter disaster 2 games in a row, there better be a short leash. Nurse’s rush defense is at an embarrassing level for any NHL defender, and I don’t know if Walman is right there with him or if he’s victim of his partner. Will remain to be seen I guess.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Oh look, even in a win the Skinner brigade is out. Do you people actually watch games or understand hockey? Like seriously

1st goal- pp goal open shot from the dot...FOURTH shot goes in after him chasing the puck ACROSS the net on THREE rebounds

2nd - breakaway. You people do realize Oilers are good for 2 game and Skinner has stopped most in his last 5 games.? So is the standard supposed to be hr stop them all? 100% on breakaways?

3rd- full screen by Ekholm

4th- ridiculous defending by Nurse however he still should have made that save as he was there

 

[CrazyJoeDavola]

We can debate who's better, Brown or Janmark. But we know Knobby hates Skinner, so he's likely going to sit over pkers who can't do anything in any other facet of the game. Unfortunate, but we know it's coming... Skinner can do no right in the eyes of the coaching staff. Even got shafted to bottom 6 minutes tonight of all nights. And his line might've been the best of the bunch.

 

[Mr Positive]

They played together from Game 4-6 of the Stars series and were amazing. Then it was determined Kulak “wasn’t comfortable” on his off side, the disaster Nurse - Ceci pair got put together for Game 1, and then they promptly teamed up for a deserved -1 early in the game. Nurse was with Broberg the rest of the way and wasn’t much better with him either.

Nurse is such a head case that I think once he looks ok with someone for a stretch, just don’t change it. Even if it in theory makes no sense on paper, just don’t change it.

I can easily see them try and force this Nurse - Walman pair because theoretically it would set the pairs in the right way 1 to 3. They’ve been an utter disaster 2 games in a row, there better be a short leash. Nurse’s rush defense is at an embarrassing level for any NHL defender, and I don’t know if Walman is right there with him or if he’s victim of his partner. Will remain to be seen I guess.

I still say giving Nurse-Walman a long leash is okay, because we know that Nurse-Kulak works okay. Let Nurse and Walman develop some chemistry, and the longer it is tried, the more we know what we have with them for sure.

The main problem with Nurse and Ceci was that they were kept together after dozens and dozens of games where it never really worked

 

[Stoneman89]

Yea but the other team didn't have Chandler Stephenson so does it really count?

Louie kept bringing that up. It's Chandler f***ing Stephenson, Louie, give your head a shake.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Disagree, Brown is playing well, he just can't finish.

Listening to GYB as I do my chores and Rob Brown is saying that he sees Jeff Skinner out of the lineup when Kane and Frederic return because there's no room in the top 6 with Perry on the 4th line. I'm confused by this because I see....

???-McDavid-Hyman
Kane-Draisaitl-Frederic
Podkolzin-RNH-Arvidsson
Perry-Henrique-Brown

Who does he see on McDavid 's wing? Janmark?
Odd take by him. Skinner is a top 6 winger who should play in the top 6. I don't see any other options anyway with Nuge at center.

Brown isn't any better than others on this team. He's a limited use player that is OK on pk, the one aspect he has in that unit perhaps better than others is his read of loose pucks. He's good at jumping on outs on the pk. McLeod was too, Nuge is too, even Kapanen.

Brown hasn't done enough on ice to secure his spot. Last year in playoffs he was even HS some games. Its not a guarantee he's in the lineup. Even last night old Derek Ryan was more effective than Connor Brown and making plays.

Brown is not playing well.

Find it odd you're still defending this player after years now of non performance, non results. He does as little as anybody on the team.

 

[Soundwave]

Oh look, even in a win the Skinner brigade is out. Do you people actually watch games or understand hockey? Like seriously

1st goal- pp goal open shot from the dot...FOURTH shot goes in after him chasing the puck ACROSS the net on THREE rebounds

2nd - breakaway. You people do realize Oilers are good for 2 game and Skinner has stopped most in his last 5 games.? So is the standard supposed to be hr stop them all? 100% on breakaways?

3rd- full screen by Ekholm

4th- ridiculous defending by Nurse however he still should have made that save as he was there

He lost his net on the 3rd goal, 4th goal, make a freaking play on the puck, he just watches it casually go across his crease.

Massive downgrade in net going from Mike Smith to whatever this is.

 

[Soundwave]

Brown actually had a decent game yesterday, assisted on the Jeff Skinner goal and then set up Janmark for a point blank chance he whiffed on.

 

[Stoneman89]

Skinner just never makes it easy on them.

Corrected for you.

 

[Stoneman89]

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The 4 horsemen of the apocalypse ready to ride soon.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Oh look, even in a win the Skinner brigade is out. Do you people actually watch games or understand hockey? Like seriously

1st goal- pp goal open shot from the dot...FOURTH shot goes in after him chasing the puck ACROSS the net on THREE rebounds

2nd - breakaway. You people do realize Oilers are good for 2 game and Skinner has stopped most in his last 5 games.? So is the standard supposed to be hr stop them all? 100% on breakaways?

3rd- full screen by Ekholm

4th- ridiculous defending by Nurse however he still should have made that save as he was there

Not my fault Skinner. Man the passion here to absolve this substandard goalie each time out. Always by the same posters. It seems like no GA # exists whereby this blanket defending wouldn't exist.

Lets cut to the chase. The majority of GA last night were due to Skinner shitting rebounds all over the place and then not cleaning up any of them. Which actually his D overall are pretty good at mopping up and boxing out or the GA would be even more of a disaster.

lol at the submission of Skinner being expected to stop 100% of breakaways. Yeah it isn't that. Do you honestly think Skinner even had a chance of making the stop with his flail out?

 

[Soundwave]

At this point honestly I think Pickard is our starter. He's not great either, but he is a bit better than Skinner.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Brown actually had a decent game yesterday, assisted on the Jeff Skinner goal and then set up Janmark for a point blank chance he whiffed on.

Brown whiffed on any chances as well as he always does. Last night we were playing one of the worst clubs in the NHL and Brown was granted better linemates than himself and while playing easy minutes. I think the bare minimum expectation is that he get something done.

Unfortunately as much as we won its the expected players that have lately risen up to get some. Nuge with 3 goals, Skinner adds another, Henrique finds one. The usual whiffers on this club, and theres several, not bagging any goals.

Connor Brown his whole tenure here has a pathetic 14 goals in 165GP. That works out to scoring 1G on average every dozen games. This even while the guy gets parked on topsix often enough.

Lets look at the assist last night too. A slow pass to a wide open Skinner in the slot. The Kraken coverage so bad even Brown could make that pass.

 

[Stoneman89]

Most goaltenders either glovr down that pass or just read the play and push off the post, maybe both.

But with Skinner, expecting him to push off the post like guys in peewee is too much.

I remember one the articles I read from an analyst saying the exact same thing. There are times a goalie needs to be aggressive and assertive, and Skinner does not do that. Sliding across is fine, but read the puck, man. Help your D out by becoming one them occasionally. Pickard, for all of his faults and limitations, knows how and when to do this, and he's a backup.

And the rebound control is horrendous. Unless the puck goes in his glove, it's out there. Instead of swallowing pucks in his jersey, it just bounces out in front, or off the pads. I realize the job 1 is to stop the puck, but the other part is making it easier on your D by being consistent. And then to the other glaring weakness, which every team has picked up on in a big way. Fire the puck him from any angle, away from his glove and charge the net. The chaos that ensues as he's unable to track the puck, smother it, or whack it out of danger presents all kinds of issues for his D. He looks completely lost and clued out then.

 

[GMofOilers]

Oh look, even in a win the Skinner brigade is out. Do you people actually watch games or understand hockey? Like seriously

1st goal- pp goal open shot from the dot...FOURTH shot goes in after him chasing the puck ACROSS the net on THREE rebounds

2nd - breakaway. You people do realize Oilers are good for 2 game and Skinner has stopped most in his last 5 games.? So is the standard supposed to be hr stop them all? 100% on breakaways?

3rd- full screen by Ekholm

4th- ridiculous defending by Nurse however he still should have made that save as he was there

Not my fault Skinner only let in 4 once again

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

We can debate who's better, Brown or Janmark. But we know Knobby hates Skinner, so he's likely going to sit over pkers who can't do anything in any other facet of the game. Unfortunate, but we know it's coming... Skinner can do no right in the eyes of the coaching staff. Even got shafted to bottom 6 minutes tonight of all nights. And his line might've been the best of the bunch.

He did get the second most minutes among forwards, maybe there’s a glimmer of hope there.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Disagree, Brown is playing well, he just can't finish.

Listening to GYB as I do my chores and Rob Brown is saying that he sees Jeff Skinner out of the lineup when Kane and Frederic return because there's no room in the top 6 with Perry on the 4th line. I'm confused by this because I see....

???-McDavid-Hyman
Kane-Draisaitl-Frederic
Podkolzin-RNH-Arvidsson
Perry-Henrique-Brown

Who does he see on McDavid 's wing? Janmark?
Odd take by him. Skinner is a top 6 winger who should play in the top 6. I don't see any other options anyway with Nuge at center.

I think all of Janmark, Brown and Perry are plug and play in these playoffs. I love Perry and he’s really proven me wrong this year but the 40 is showing and I think he will be most effective with less expectation. And if Kane and Frederic are in the lineup they bring a lot of what we have over-relied on him for.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Disagree, Brown is playing well, he just can't finish.

Listening to GYB as I do my chores and Rob Brown is saying that he sees Jeff Skinner out of the lineup when Kane and Frederic return because there's no room in the top 6 with Perry on the 4th line. I'm confused by this because I see....

???-McDavid-Hyman
Kane-Draisaitl-Frederic
Podkolzin-RNH-Arvidsson
Perry-Henrique-Brown

Who does he see on McDavid 's wing? Janmark?
Odd take by him. Skinner is a top 6 winger who should play in the top 6. I don't see any other options anyway with Nuge at center.

Rob Brown has some stinker takes every once in a while. He said that Savoie can’t get you a top 6 player in a trade, because we only had to give up McLeod for him.

Like ??? Everyone at the time of the trade acknowledged the Sabres were giving up the more valuable piece and top 6 players get moved for first round picks all the time. Savoie is a recent top 10 overall pick

 

[Stoneman89]

Hats off to Nuge, and kudos to J. Skinner. Honorable mention to Rico, Pod and Walman. And the rest of the guys nutted up. I think Pod has found a home on the bottom six if he keeps this up. The experiment with him up with the top guns went on far too long when it became obvious he was not suited for it.
I like our top 4 on D, and I think they'll get better as they get more used to each other and the distributed minutes. Hopefully Kulak comes out of his mild funk to take charge of the bottom pairing. Out of the 3 choices for his partner, I'll swallow hard and go with Stetcher, but I'd also like to see Colonel Klink in there with limited workload and pressure and see how he does.

 

[VainGretzky]

If Nuge continues this caliber of play they should put Drai back with McDavid and run Nuge at 2nd C