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You just knew Leon was going to have a special night turning 29 years old. I look for the same from Connor on his 97th birthday.
You act like it's so easy to come into the league and start well over 100 games over 2 seasons with a save pct. of .913 and .905.
This is a 25 year old doing this btw fresh into the league.
You're even suggesting that Rittich fill this role.
I'll just be nice and say that I agree to disagree that you can just plug anybody in there and expect them to be as good as Skinner starting 55-60 games a year.
Agree 100%. Nuge also very critical on zone entries as he takes the lion's share of McDavid's passes on entry and has to make a quick play with it to maintain the zone. He is good at facilitating for the others and being a pressure release valve. Wouldn't mind him making some more decisive plays once in a while though. And this obviously isn't in response to the poor start he has had this year (particularly 5v5).meh. We're just on this now because RNH is having one of his low ebbs. One of the things that works with him is he's a perfect bumper for a star studded PP because he won't overplay the puck, he will often just make the play that is there. Arvid will often overplay the puck and is too small to be strong on puck. So with Arivd its easier to get puck off him and teams have geared to this, even the Oilers were stripping Arvid from puck when he was a King.
Arvid is a good puck control player that can move well in traffic. JMO he's better used in 5 on 5. On PP he tries to do too much. We already have those players on the PP. You need guys that are just safe possession bumpers that will make the right probability play. RNH ticks that box a lot of the time.
Perfect game is no hits
Agree 100%. Nuge also very critical on zone entries as he takes the lion's share of McDavid's passes on entry and has to make a quick play with it to maintain the zone. He is good at facilitating for the others and being a pressure release valve. Wouldn't mind him making some more decisive plays once in a while though. And this obviously isn't in response to the poor start he has had this year (particularly 5v5).
I guess a further question would be, why tinker with the best PP unit ever just because they've had a slow start to season? I think multiple years of PP dominance has earned a bit of leash, no?
That contract could be troublesome although only a $2m or so raise over what he makes now but I disagree vehemently that there are lots of young cheap goalies that can start 55-60 games a season and put up a .913 and .095 save pct.That's not worth paying $6+ million for. Our cap will be tight in two years in part because genius Holland signed Campbell and there's a significant buy out penalty that year.
We don't have the money to spend top dollar on every position.
Skinner has to be one of the best goalies in the league and a guy who can legitimately win games on his own when the team has little in the tank, the way Talbot did in 16-17 and Roloson did in 2006 to justify paying him big dollars. If we're going to spend money on our goaltending it has to be for someone who is worth it.
Otherwise buh-bye. There will be lots of decent enough young goalies that can put up .905 playing behind a team that limits high danger chances to near the bottom of the league.
Ok, call the coach palWhen you're getting close to 10 games of shit production, I don't care what the rep is, try something new.
That contract could be troublesome although only a $2m or so raise over what he makes now but I disagree vehemently that there are lots of young cheap goalies that can start 55-60 games a season and put up a .913 and .095 save pct.
I have seen people on YouTube do that challenge and they think they are dying. It looks horrible lmao. I wouldn’t call anyone that for attempting that. I will never try that holy shit. That is just flirting with dead lol. I think it would give me a heart attack !!Lol I don't recommend it. Not worth it.
My girlfriend at the time told me I was being a little bitch about the whole thing, which, I kind of was but honestly I was a little concerned. Lol.
I got her back though by asked for a kiss, had her British ass in the same circle of hell I was in just by giving her a quick second of tongue.
Maybe it was worth it.
Assuming the Oilers win or continue to come close , I would not be surprised if they move on if he wants big dollars. I agree that a high paid goalie is a challenge to the Oilers cap structure.He's not gonna be here most likely in 2 years if he wants a lot of money. Pickard is giving similar production to him for like 1 million dollars, secondly our cap structure with an expensive goalie probably doesn't work. McDavid and Bouchard have to get their money.
Our High Danger chances against I believe is like third best in the league looking at Natural Stat Trick even with some hiccups this year.
We don't allow many high danger chances against systemically (also why the people flailing like a chicken with its head cut off because no Ceci early in the season were being stupid). That should allow a lot of goalies to come in and do well.
Agree 100%. Nuge also very critical on zone entries as he takes the lion's share of McDavid's passes on entry and has to make a quick play with it to maintain the zone. He is good at facilitating for the others and being a pressure release valve. Wouldn't mind him making some more decisive plays once in a while though. And this obviously isn't in response to the poor start he has had this year (particularly 5v5).
I guess a further question would be, why tinker with the best PP unit ever just because they've had a slow start to season? I think multiple years of PP dominance has earned a bit of leash, no?
Agree. That coupled with absolutely no finish from anybody on the unit really, lol.Nuge is so critical to the PP that I think that his poor play to start the year is a major part of the problem. His puck touches, board play, speed of decision making, all of it is just either a step too slow or just bad in general.
In the past our PP has faltered if he's been out of the lineup because we don't have the facilitator, but I think now it's been faltering because he's just been straight up bad.
Agree. That coupled with absolutely no finish from anybody on the unit really, lol.
Same thing every year. Doesn’t really matter the personnel it literally happens to start every season.Yeah. Even the players that are supposed to be here to score are not scoring. None of them are commensurate with even reasonable expectation.
Skinner has 2 goals (not enough)
Nuge goal (not enough
Hyman, Arvid etc zero goals (you kidding me?)
Brown, Henrique, Perry all have just one goal.
On the board here seems like we've had bottom level expectations of anybody not named McD or Drai.
As per usual McDrai, Ekholm, Booch are carrying the club. Hyman, Nuge used to be part of that core but this season not even being that.
Nearly 10 games in and it looks like its time for McD to start yelling dig in or something again. Vast majority of club haven't even checked in.
There's a lot of variables for the poor PP results. Broadly speaking their passing hasn't been good with too many misfires that go into a teammates feet. Strangely that includes McDavid's zone entries which are increasingly contested. Nuge also needs to show shot more and change his shooting angle - he's more accurate with centre slot attempts versus flank.Agree 100%. Nuge also very critical on zone entries as he takes the lion's share of McDavid's passes on entry and has to make a quick play with it to maintain the zone. He is good at facilitating for the others and being a pressure release valve. Wouldn't mind him making some more decisive plays once in a while though. And this obviously isn't in response to the poor start he has had this year (particularly 5v5).
I guess a further question would be, why tinker with the best PP unit ever just because they've had a slow start to season? I think multiple years of PP dominance has earned a bit of leash, no?
Sure, but as recently as a week ago a plurality on the board we're saying thats all McD, Drai, Booch fault, "they're terrible"Same thing every year. Doesn’t really matter the personnel it literally happens to start every season.
There's a lot of variables for the poor PP results. Broadly speaking their passing hasn't been good with too many misfires that go into a teammates feet. Strangely that includes McDavid's zone entries which are increasingly contested. Nuge also needs to show shot more and change his shooting angle - he's more accurate with centre slot attempts versus flank.
A couple things I'd like more information about. They seem to lose a high number of PP o-zone face-offs which mitigate some of their momentum. Their PP o-zone time is ok at 60.7%/78 percentile though down 62.5% and 64% in three year sample.
Somewhat bigger jump has been in PP own zone time at 26.2% (75 percentile) up from 23.8% and 23.4% (93 and 96 percentile). We saw a couple opposition teams PK aggressively up ice including the Oilers zone to disrupt the McDavid neutral zone attack with speed. Add the face-off losses ... at least by my limited eye test. Defenders are also stacking/clogging the middle of the ice sometimes in Diamond Kill formation which is disrupting cross ice passing.
That said, the Oilers are still generating elite shot volume but grossly underperforming in converting into goals notably high danger and mid-range.
I’m not worried about the rest of the team because like I said this happens every year. We’ve changed out the bottom 6 multiple times over and every single time they start slow the first 15 games or so but the end of the year it generally works out.Sure, but as recently as a week ago a plurality on the board we're saying thats all McD, Drai, Booch fault, "they're terrible"
My counter was these guys, particularly Booch, Drai, they weren't far off where they should be. Conversely one McD 4pt game followed by a fairly typically had 3pt game and he's right there. Never a worry he'll be around top in the scoring race if not winning it.
Its the rest of the team I worry about. We have 4 players rowing well. Two are D.
REALLY tired of the Connor Brown all talk guys, and a lot of them on this team that say all the right things any day and promptly lay goose eggs all over the ice. What possibly can be the excuse for Brown now. Not health, not two years of rehab not being enough. Some games the effort isn't even what it should be. Especially given the sod only has around 10-12 shifts a nght to worry about. Guy should be flying out there like Eddie Shack. Should be noticed every shift. Brown is easily worse than he was last half of season or playoffs. Why this time? Just waiting for others to get it done? Seems far too common on this club.
Some of the players that "worked out" last year didn't, from a production stand point, all of last season. So that guys like Brown, Janmark, Ryan, Perry generally pissed very little. We've added players like Pods who despite his work never scores and is unlikely to bag as many as 10G. Thats 5 forwards who I don't know we can even expect to be scoring much at all.I’m not worried about the rest of the team because like I said this happens every year. We’ve changed out the bottom 6 multiple times over and every single time they start slow the first 15 games or so but the end of the year it generally works out.
I’m not worried about the rest of the team because like I said this happens every year. We’ve changed out the bottom 6 multiple times over and every single time they start slow the first 15 games or so but the end of the year it generally works out.
I'd like to dig into situational face-off information. Don't know where to find it. But we have similar eye tests which suggest the Oilers are losing a fair bit of PP face-offs.Thank you for passing on a data point that helps prove my gut feel. I swear we lose 90% of the opening PP draws.
Brown is saving it for the playoffs. As shown from last finalsSure, but as recently as a week ago a plurality on the board we're saying thats all McD, Drai, Booch fault, "they're terrible"
My counter was these guys, particularly Booch, Drai, they weren't far off where they should be. Conversely one McD 4pt game followed by a fairly typically had 3pt game and he's right there. Never a worry he'll be around top in the scoring race if not winning it.
Its the rest of the team I worry about. We have 4 players rowing well. Two are D.
REALLY tired of the Connor Brown all talk guys, and a lot of them on this team that say all the right things any day and promptly lay goose eggs all over the ice. What possibly can be the excuse for Brown now. Not health, not two years of rehab not being enough. Some games the effort isn't even what it should be. Especially given the sod only has around 10-12 shifts a nght to worry about. Guy should be flying out there like Eddie Shack. Should be noticed every shift. Brown is easily worse than he was last half of season or playoffs. Why this time? Just waiting for others to get it done? Seems far too common on this club.
Our PP is just McDavid dancing around the ice while looking to find Drai or Bouchard. Someone who has a great slap shot would make a living off RNH's spot, but we don't have one and now teams know what to expect from our PPNuge is so critical to the PP that I think that his poor play to start the year is a major part of the problem. His puck touches, board play, speed of decision making, all of it is just either a step too slow or just bad in general.
In the past our PP has faltered if he's been out of the lineup because we don't have the facilitator, but I think now it's been faltering because he's just been straight up bad.
Our PP is just McDavid dancing around the ice while looking to find Drai or Bouchard. Someone who has a great slap shot would make a living off RNH's spot, but we don't have one and now teams who what to expect from our PP