Oilers now 13-12-1: THE THREAD THAT'S FUN FOR EVERYONE

[Rob Brown]

It’s been two games. Then again, you know all about making shitty knee jerk reaction takes.

If anyone was making the same comments like you do about the Leafs, you’d be posting about how rent free and having a nuclear meltdown.

You're the one that brought up the Leafs here, so if the 'rent free' thing fits...

 

[Muffin]

Leon Draisaitl Stats Without Connor Mcdavid | StatMuse

Leon Draisaitl has 20 goals, 39 assists and a plus-minus of +5 in 56 games without Connor McDavid in his career.

www.statmuse.com

51 points in 51 games when McDavid out of the line-up. Yep, Draisaitl sucks LMAO!

Points per game is not what it used to be in this league. Over 40 players were points per game last season so yea it’s not great.

 

[Frenchy]

Mcdavid and drai should start contract talks now and demand 1 billion dollas.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I feel like we are overreacting a bit right now.

Oilers rank....

2nd in High Danger Chances For%
8th in xGoals For%
15th in Shots for%

27th in shoothing%
29th in save%

They are basically the Florida Panthers of last year up to this point. They can't finish and can't get a save.

The finishing will come, but they may need to spend some assets to shore up goaltending.

 

[Vertain]

It would be really nice if they hit somebody now and again. You know, make their opponent think twice about going into the corners, standing in front of the net having a coffee, floating down the middle of the ice humming a song.

 

[dirtydanglez]

McDavid is already starting to look forward to joining the Toronto Maple Leafs so that he can be on a team that wins.

i know this is a joke but can you imagine if he joined colorado or vegas

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

i know this is a joke but can you imagine if he joined colorado or vegas

Worst case scenarios would be Montreal, Ottawa, Boston.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Still waiting to see this version of Draisaitl that steps up without McDavid

Give Leon time, he will need to get used to not having McDavid on his hip.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Worst case scenarios would be Montreal, Ottawa, Boston.

i would like to see him win tho

 

[TGWL]

Leon Draisaitl Stats Without Connor Mcdavid | StatMuse

Leon Draisaitl has 20 goals, 39 assists and a plus-minus of +5 in 56 games without Connor McDavid in his career.

www.statmuse.com

51 points in 51 games when McDavid out of the line-up. Yep, Draisaitl sucks LMAO!

36 forwards were a point per game last season (50 or more games). He would have been last if we're talking 51 points in 51 games. No, obviously it doesn't quite work like that and you never know what he's going to produce, but there's a enormous difference from being 2nd to 36th, and going from 50 goals to half.

Still, no he doesn't suck. Nobody really thinks he sucks. But everybody knows missing McDavid is a huge hole to everybody on the Oilers roster.

 

[McOvechking]

Post all the fancy stats you want to contort the truth. The Oilers suck.

 

[jigglysquishy]

I think it's fair to point out Draisaitl's EVP production since his Hart season.

2020-21: 2nd in points (22% ahead of 3rd), 2nd in PPP, tied for 3rd in EVP
2021-22: 4th in points, 2nd in PPP, 9th in EVP
2022-23: 2nd in points (13% ahead of 3rd), 2nd in PPP (24% ahead of any non Oiler), 13th in EVP

His total production shows he's still a top 5 player in the league, but looking closer it's McDavid that is pushing the numbers to look like the 2nd best player in the league.

I think it's also fair to point out McDavid has lost his place as the unquestioned best EV player in the league. He lead the league in EVP in 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2021. He was 2nd in 2022 and 3rd in 2023.

 

[X66]

Leon Draisaitl Stats Without Connor Mcdavid | StatMuse

Leon Draisaitl has 20 goals, 39 assists and a plus-minus of +5 in 56 games without Connor McDavid in his career.

www.statmuse.com

51 points in 51 games when McDavid out of the line-up. Yep, Draisaitl sucks LMAO!

He sucks defensively, I don't think even the biggest Oilers homer can deny that.

So 51 point in 51 games is great and all, but how much is he giving back to the other team?

If they're cancelling each other out, how great is Draisaitl really?

And this is not to dunk on Draisaitl, he is an incredible talent, but he does not bring it defensively.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

With the absense of their captain, who on the Oilers is going to step up?

 

[Oleksiak]

He sucks defensively, I don't think even the biggest Oilers homer can deny that.

So 51 point in 51 games is great and all, but how much is he giving back to the other team?

If they're cancelling each other out, how great is Draisaitl really?

And this is not to dunk on Draisaitl, he is an incredible talent, but he does not bring it defensively.

And that's a legitimate problem with McDavid too. Untill a coach gets through to them that their lack of defensive effort isn't acceptable, the culture doesn't get changed. Woodcroft doesn't have the balls to put either of these gutless floaters in the press box for a game to send the message.

 

[Notsince67]

Leon Draisaitl Stats Without Connor Mcdavid | StatMuse

Leon Draisaitl has 20 goals, 39 assists and a plus-minus of +5 in 56 games without Connor McDavid in his career.

www.statmuse.com

51 points in 51 games when McDavid out of the line-up. Yep, Draisaitl sucks LMAO!

It's pretty damn good and just slightly below a Nylander.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Little doubt that the Oilers will still make the playoffs, but what then? They are not built to be seriously competitive with either Colorado or Vegas. That "Cup Or Bust" stuff was never realistic to begin with.

 

[X66]

And that's a legitimate problem with McDavid too. Untill a coach gets through to them that their lack of defensive effort isn't acceptable, the culture doesn't get changed. Woodcroft doesn't have the balls to put either of these gutless floaters in the press box for a game to send the message.

McDavid to his credit though has gotten way better defensively the last few years, but you were right it was an issue before.

Draisaitl on the other hand? He's gone even more on the opposite end, he's horrible defensively.

 

[Peasy]

It's pretty damn good and just slightly below a Nylander.

Are you finally a Nylander believer?

 

[All Mod Cons]

i know this is a joke but can you imagine if he joined colorado or vegas

Imagine, after all of this, if he was the one to sign an offer sheet with Phoenix.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I don't get the obsession with ripping on Drai or McDavid , the team is total dog meat , why rip the players when management puts out an absolute garbage roster aside from those 2 + Ekholm every year

 

[AvroArrow]

I'm not sure you understood what I said, unless you're claiming McDavid inflated Draisaitl's numbers while being injured.

It's a small sample but last time McDavid missed 6 games, Draisaitl scored 12 points without him. But then again you're using a 10 game sample size over a 3 year period to make your agument so I don't think I should be worried about that lol.

McDavid only played 7 fewer games than Draisaitl that year when Draisaitl won the Hart. Draisaitl played 64 games with McDavid and 7 games without him, that year.

Draisaitl has a total of 51 points in 51 games played, when McDavid is not playing. That makes him an 80 point player, like I was suggesting, he's in the category of stars like Nylander, Rantanen, Marner, not the top dogs like McDavid, Kucherov, Pastrnak, Matthews.

I don't get the obsession with ripping on Drai or McDavid , the team is total dog meat , why rip the players when management puts out an absolute garbage roster aside from those 2 + Ekholm every year

Not ripping on Draisaitl, it's just Oilers fans get extremely defensive if the team outside of McDavid is critiqued and the usual argument is "Draisaitl is the 2nd best player in the world" and that's where the debate of how much of a factor McDavid really is, starts.

Like I said, Draisaitls production, points, even strength points etc. take a massive hit when McDavid isn't playing.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Disappointing how bad they are playing without McDavid. In moments like this they should all step up and play even more solid defensive game as a team, but instead it looks like they are playing worse, just completely folding over, 'why even try without McDavid'..

No doubt their depth and quality of players has gotten a bit exposed without McD, but most of all to me this feels like a coaching / culture issue.

I used to get frustrated at the opposite where Leafs would step up with Sundin out but then not carry the same once he got back.

 

[Czechboy]

Still waiting to see this version of Draisaitl that steps up without McDavid

I definitely am eating shit on this one.lol

 

[Czechboy]

McDavid only played 7 fewer games than Draisaitl that year when Draisaitl won the Hart. Draisaitl played 64 games with McDavid and 7 games without him, that year.

Draisaitl has a total of 51 points in 51 games played, when McDavid is not playing. That makes him an 80 point player, like I was suggesting, he's in the category of stars like Nylander, Rantanen, Marner, not the top dogs like McDavid, Kucherov, Pastrnak, Matthews.


Not ripping on Draisaitl, it's just Oilers fans get extremely defensive if the team outside of McDavid is critiqued and the usual argument is "Draisaitl is the 2nd best player in the world" and that's where the debate of how much of a factor McDavid really is, starts.

Like I said, Draisaitls production, points, even strength points etc. take a massive hit when McDavid isn't playing.

It's funny because I started by saying Pasta was better than him. He was leading their draft class in points. Then Drai went supernova and I conceeded that Drai was better (I'm an Oil and Czech fan).
I also thought Pasta might be getting the benefit of Krejci and Bergeron.

Fast forward to today.. Pasta has Zacha as his 1C and him and the team are, currently, killing it. No Bergeron, No Krejci.

I'm a huge Drai fan though and thought he'd be getting 2 .ppg during the McDavid absence. It's aging poorly.haha