Post-Game Talk: Oilers get the high ground

[CanadasTeam99]

Good luck finding a tear down in Vancouver for $1m. Maybe Surrey or Langley.

Ya Surrey you could. Houses that were 900K there 10 years are now up to 2.6 Million... Unfortunately these BC people on their high horses are all running to Edmonton now and polluting our city.

This is why I’ve still got some major doubts about the accuracy of advanced stats especially concerning goaltenders. Vancouver scored on 3 absolutely grade A chances last night yet only 2 of them were considered high danger? I’d be fascinated to know which one of them wasn’t the high danger one.

Isn't high danger if a shot is from a specific area? I don't know if they considered that Petey goal high danger. The shot was from farther away and it was tipped in front. Somebody can correct me.

He also saved a high danger chance just before the 3-2 goal.

That wasn't high danger. Honestly, Skinner is just slow laterally so it looks more crazy than it should be (It was a good save) The shot was from far out.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

the first goal was a perfect tip...maybe the defense could make sure Petey wasn't wide open in front of the net?
the 2nd was the 4th line getting dummied on their own zone and allowing Hronek to just walk into the slot and rip one in from close range
the 3rd was Nurse batting it to the Nucks for some reason then them slipping it to a WIDE open Suter...not Skinner's fault

I would tell our D one thing only. If you are next to anybody, ALWAYS lift up their sticks. Tie them up. It's very simple. Just do it. Don't worry about where the puck is coming from at the moment.

 

[Stoneman89]

@KeithIsActuallyBad

I told you the Oilers offense would break out. Just too much talent on this team and way too many unsustainably low shooting percentages for that to continue. Maybe they won't get on a roll quite yet but it was inevitable that the dam would break.

In other news and predictions, I will boldly say that we should expect some snow at some point this winter.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I was a bit shocked at that as well. But then again the Nucks fans bandwagon a lot and jump a ship for any reason. Seems like the average fan life of a Nucks fan is give or take a few years. Mind you there isn't much in Nucks history that lends itself to staying on.

I shoudn't do this all the time but imagine little Quinny Hughes being your franchise player. The guy that if you take him out he stays out. How you play Quinn is just put him on the ice. Don't let him dance around. The Oilers pressure on Nucks was far superior to the loose shit backing off the Nucks were doing. On our PP and sometimes even EV Nucks were backing off so far we could just fire away from the slot, from High danger range. Not sure if that or their around net coverage was more hilarious.

That is exactly what you do. Take his time and space. He likes just dangling along the blueline and ripping shots hoping for some tip, etc. That's how he gets so many points.

Playoffs is a different animal. Intensity is way up

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

In other news and predictions, I will boldly say that we should expect some snow at some point this winter.

Haha. Bold stuff eh. The Oilers have been pushing elite zone time and shot numbers with a subterranean shooting percentage virtually all of the season. Matter of time before these variables normalize. Past years they just threw another coaching log on the fire to incite change though the normalizing of their expected and actual production work were close to happening regardless. It did distort the coaching effect though.

 

[MessierII]

We were overdue for that offensive explosion. Glad it happened against the schmucks.

 

[russ99]

This is why I’ve still got some major doubts about the accuracy of advanced stats especially concerning goaltenders. Vancouver scored on 3 absolutely grade A chances last night yet only 2 of them were considered high danger? I’d be fascinated to know which one of them wasn’t the high danger one.

I’m super annoyed with this as well, HDSC is fairly arbitrarily to a position on the ice, you’d think we’d hav stronger analysis on goaltending at this point, like angle and speed of shot, coverage, screening, how well set the goalie anticipates and gets set for the shot, does he cleanly try to stop it or flail/dive for it, is it a on rebound he let loose?

Analytics for many stops at shots, when so much else can be learned.

 

[McDNicks17]

I’m super annoyed with this as well, HDSC is fairly arbitrarily to a position on the ice, you’d think we’d hav stronger analysis on goaltending at this point, like angle and speed of shot, coverage, screening, how well set the goalie anticipates and gets set for the shot, does he cleanly try to stop it or flail/dive for it, is it a on rebound he let loose?

Analytics for many stops at shots, when so much else can be learned.

Private firms do some of that stuff.

I doubt you’ll see public analytics get to that point for quite awhile.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Am very glad we won, and a lot of guys that really needed to get some pucks in the net, got them. However, as in the aftermath of the Pittsburgh game where several people were wetting themselves thinking we had turned this around, I remain cautiously optimistic. The Canucks are a good team and they were at home, but they were missing their #1 goalie, J.D Miller and Brock Boeser, and I have no doubt one or two of those guys would have made a bit of a difference. Still, we took advantage and made them pay. I remain concerned about the PK. The running around like headless chickens, chasing the puck has to stop, and they need to do a far better job of plugging up the middle of the ice and keeping things to the outside. The PP was encouraging, and hopefully the guys on it finally got it through their thick skulls that getting dirty goals is okay. Shoot the damned puck and clog the net is a good strategy when the pretty stuff is not working.

Miller was playing last night?...

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Private firms do some of that stuff.

I doubt you’ll see public analytics get to that point for quite awhile.

Yup. Private firms do all of this stuff. I wish even board battles won was available.

 

[Oilhawks]

Miller was playing last night?...

J.T. Miller had a nice -3

Not sure about J.D. though, maybe he would have been better

 

[CupofOil]

In other news and predictions, I will boldly say that we should expect somOh e snow at some point this winter.

Don't get it twisted, there were plenty of folks around here sounding off alarms about the offense.

 

[FiveFourteenSixOne]

Rogers wrapped in red event is right around the corner

Omg if they bring that back I’m going to off someone. Maybe even myself.

 

[FiveFourteenSixOne]

I thought it was ironic too. The last person that should be calling out his team or anybody on anything. Bad look I'm afraid.

To be fair though, Nurse is way overdue for being called out. He’s paid like number 1 but plays like a number 5. He’s a liability on the ice and his contract is borderline franchise crippling.

This one is a waterfront property, a hobo on meth has peed in front of the home and lives up the street at the Tim Horton's. Come experience magical Vancouver.

The rain is a blessing as it washes away the hobo piss!

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

@KeithIsActuallyBad

I told you the Oilers offense would break out. Just too much talent on this team and way too many unsustainably low shooting percentages for that to continue. Maybe they won't get on a roll quite yet but it was inevitable that the dam would break.

Time will tell how much it has broken out.

 

[Soundwave]

This is why I’ve still got some major doubts about the accuracy of advanced stats especially concerning goaltenders. Vancouver scored on 3 absolutely grade A chances last night yet only 2 of them were considered high danger? I’d be fascinated to know which one of them wasn’t the high danger one.

Probably the 1st and 3rd goal counted as high danger chances the 2nd one did not (medium danger I'm guessing).

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Miller was playing last night?...

Jokes aside I had no idea Vinny Desharnais played last night until I noticed the back of his jersey on a slow motion replay of Connor Brown's goal

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I’m super annoyed with this as well, HDSC is fairly arbitrarily to a position on the ice, you’d think we’d hav stronger analysis on goaltending at this point, like angle and speed of shot, coverage, screening, how well set the goalie anticipates and gets set for the shot, does he cleanly try to stop it or flail/dive for it, is it a on rebound he let loose?

Analytics for many stops at shots, when so much else can be learned.

Agree with your point. So many random variables to consider in getting into deep, clear analysis of goaltending. I've also seen some wildly variance at times within some fan sites with their x-high danger save/ga numbers (by poor memory I think Binnington was showing about a 5-7% difference between a couple of these sites).

The juice is likely in the proprietary paid analytic companies that resource into a deeper, more sophisticated dive into goaltender performance.

NHLEdge is worth looking at too with its grid system of High-Danger, Mid-Range, and Long-Range shots and goals tracking tied to their in-arena system. Here's Skinner: NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics - Goalies

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Jokes asks I had no idea Vinny Desharnais played last night until I noticed the back of his jersey on a slow motion replay of Connor Brown's goal

Nucks fan hate DD lol. Hey, good for him, he robbed them of some $$

 

[Drivesaitl]

Jokes asks I had no idea Vinny Desharnais played last night until I noticed the back of his jersey on a slow motion replay of Connor Brown's goal

All Desharnais sightings are in slow motion.

Don't get it twisted, there were plenty of folks around here sounding off alarms about the offense.

My ignore list must be working.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I’m super annoyed with this as well, HDSC is fairly arbitrarily to a position on the ice, you’d think we’d hav stronger analysis on goaltending at this point, like angle and speed of shot, coverage, screening, how well set the goalie anticipates and gets set for the shot, does he cleanly try to stop it or flail/dive for it, is it a on rebound he let loose?

Analytics for many stops at shots, when so much else can be learned.

While I agree with a lot of your take on this try to imagine Skinner on the opposing end of a game like this where the opponent was abysmal in coverage. Our goalies rarely see this kind of game. Maybe 1-2 times a year where its an absolute gongshow in front of them. Skinner would've been pulled had the Oilers laid down like the Canucks did. Their goale was dead exhausted from too much work and dealing with far too much in front of him but still battled.

Skinner has had more first period pulls alone than I've tabulated. If I'm bored I'll do it sometime, and they are several a season, and multiple/playoffs. Its such a thing with him that its just one indication of how questionable his resilience and preparation is.

 

[Louis Cypher]

This game I wasn't worried about. Nucks looked like they should look. Nucks are that odd kind of team that had a period of elevation based on carnival good luck. You watch last nights game and all the Garland is gone. Looks pretty bleak there.

Conor Garland.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Conor Garland.

I like posters that read the posts carefully. heh.

 

[Soundwave]

For the fans heart broken over Vinny and Ceci gone ... I'm pretty sure both teams would give those guys back for a bag of popcorn with no popcorn in it.

 

[Drivesaitl]

For the fans heart broken over Vinny and Ceci gone ... I'm pretty sure both teams would give those guys back for a bag of popcorn with no popcorn in it.

People are missing Vinny? Pretty soon he'll be missing NHL.