Post-Game Talk: Oilers get the high ground

[CanadasTeam99]

One thing that's been consistent. Quinn Hughes shrinks when he plays Edmonton in a tough game

Or Skinners had the audacity to blame the team for GA when he's the most culpable on the team regarding that stat and the team absolves him every game and has for years.

As others have stated if a goalie is good to very good on a team you can callout a club. If you're Skinner you're not in that territory. As stated even Bieksa called out Skinner on this one. Its not a big deal, team will forget about it, but it doesn't come across well.

Is it just me or has Skinner changed a bit this season without his buddy Desharnais fist bumping him after every game and doing their love in. Even suspecting some of the team prefer Pickard. Not just as a goalie.

Pretty bad performance. Nucks had nothing going. 2 HDSC and somehow they get 3 goals, hit a crossbar on a long shot from point, and another that almost got over Skinners shoulder (he didn't move) This was an airtight game by the Oilers suppressing almost everything and it was still 3GA.

Edmonton has to play picture perfect D with a guy like skinner. Get a goalie who Can put up even 905 and this team starts blazing

 

[Senor Catface]

Has anyone forgot about Skinner sitting out for anxiety attacks? Campbell too? Who chose to sign the two most mentally fragile goalies in the entire league?

I'm enraged seeing Stuart Skinner mad at ANYONE. We're talking about the worst starting goaltender in the entire NHL for multiple years running now. Consistently worse stats than our backup goaltender. Even with the bad offensive start, if Skinner played average we would be comfortably near the top of the standings so far.

He's a joke and the whole stoicism as a way to cover up extreme anxiety and insecurity is ugly. He pretends like he's full of ambien and sleeping medications for interviews and even his play on the ice shows this to be true. One of the slowest cross-crease goalies in the NHL. Far from actually athletic. Of course in comparison to the average person on earth he is highly athletic, but he never gives that extra effort in the crease. Never tries to make a desperation save. The opposition knows if they pass across the crease it's a goal, and Skinner will flail his hands up afterwards (learned from the legendary Mike Smith), and pass the blame on to someone else.

No, seriously, this guy can hardly move in the net. We see Pickard putting up better numbers and diving across crease with all he has to try and stop pucks in the same situations that Skinner will simply fold in. It's as though he has mindf***ed himself into thinking any fast twitch movement = non-stoic or erratic and has therefore had this trained out of him. Either his own mental games or our coaching staff. Either way it must be frustrating as a player seeing your goalie not bother to try and ever make a desperation save. Defeatist attitude or something.

Before the gang comes saying 'HE BROUGHT US TO A CUP FINAL!!!'. I am of the opinion that ANY GOALIE IN THE LEAGUE could have done the same. The numbers back this up as well. Half of our games are write-offs because this guy is one of the worst in the league. What is there to be done? There's talk of him being on Team Canada? We must be down bad as a nation.

On the plus side, I see Arvidsson's coming around. That guy is going to be an important player for us by the time playoffs roll around. Quick, gritty, amazing shot as on display last night off the rush. Chemistry developing.

Oh. You’re back again.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Or Skinners had the audacity to blame the team for GA when he's the most culpable on the team regarding that stat and the team absolves him every game and has for years.

As others have stated if a goalie is good to very good on a team you can callout a club. If you're Skinner you're not in that territory. As stated even Bieksa called out Skinner on this one. Its not a big deal, team will forget about it, but it doesn't come across well.

Is it just me or has Skinner changed a bit this season without his buddy Desharnais fist bumping him after every game and doing their love in. Even suspecting some of the team prefer Pickard. Not just as a goalie.

Pretty bad performance. Nucks had nothing going. 2 HDSC and somehow they get 3 goals, hit a crossbar on a long shot from point, and another that almost got over Skinners shoulder (he didn't move) This was an airtight game by the Oilers suppressing almost everything and it was still 3GA.

Nurse literally threw the puck to a Canuck on GA#3

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Is there something wrong with that? I'm discussing a player on the team in the post game thread after he let the mask slip and raged out about his teammates when he has the worst metrics of a goalie in the entire league.

which were his fault yesterday?

 

[Echodek]

One thing that's been consistent. Quinn Hughes shrinks when he plays Edmonton in a tough game


Edmonton has to play picture perfect D with a guy like skinner. Get a goalie who Can put up even 905 and this team starts blazing

This. And I don’t buy into the argument that “well, skinner took us to game 7 of the finals!”. No. Skinner just happened to be the goalie that was in net when the rest of the team decided they wanted to make it to game 7. I think we get there even with Pickard in net.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

which were his fault yesterday?

The tip on #1 was brilliant. Very few goalies are stopping deflections from five feet out. Second goal I’d like to see a save on, but he gave them a big save moments earlier before they fumbled the puck and ran a fire drill. Nurse threw the puck away on the last one. It was in garbage time anyway so I don’t really care as much.

This. And I don’t buy into the argument that “well, skinner took us to game 7 of the finals!”. No. Skinner just happened to be the goalie that was in net when the rest of the team decided they wanted to make it to game 7. I think we get there even with Pickard in net.

Skinner outdueled Jake Oettinger and he still doesn’t get any credit.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Therapybrained? You may want to rethink your wording there, because it's pretty tonedeaf.

Wording wasn't good by the poster but its not wrong either. Relaxation, coping skills, stress management are mitigating tools. The Anxiety tends to be a lifelong disease. Its very good that Skinner has learned a lot of tools. Better for his life, for his work, for people around him. But he chose goaltending and he's in the Edmonton market. Its a ton of pressure and stress and the reality is in goaltending one can see that the end result isn't super resilient. If anything when theres a miscue you can still spot that Skinner gets rattled in games and not rare at all for him to give up bunches of goals, and particularly in first periods. The amount of times he's given up 3 or 4 goals just in first period is off the charts. Especially considering how little the Oilers usually give up.
What Skinner has done would work well in a lot of endeavor, but again he's in a professional occupation where the pressure can override the coping. If you follow what I'm saying.

Skinner as a large goalie would be dominant had he played in the 80's His form and structure and size would probably give opponents fits in that era Todays game has Carbon graphite sticks, proficient shooters and a lot of hot guns that can blow it by you picking a spot. Thats always going to be anxiety provoking for Skinner because theres a lot that he can't control. People with anxiety like to be in control of all variables and find it stressful when they are not. So that when Skinner faces a team that is feeling it and creating and finishing well it would be very unnerving getting lit up.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Nurse literally threw the puck to a Canuck on GA#3

So what? Its 7-2. The game, the result, its concluded.

People think that it really matters? The most important aspect for a contender team is controlling and having a handle on close games. The blowouts show or reveal nothing. Its the differences you create or add to in close games that is the measure of a contender.

Thing as well is the NHL just handed the Nucks a PP there to stop the bleeding. Is embarrassing still how much the league does to try to help little Canucks along. We wouldn't even be killing a penalty there without league mitigation.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

So what? Its 7-2. The game, the result, its concluded.

People think that it really matters? The most important aspect for a contender team is controlling and having a handle on close games. The blowouts show or reveal nothing. Its the differences you create or add to in close games that is the measure of a contender.

Thing as well is the NHL just handed the Nucks a PP there to stop the bleeding. Is embarrassing still how much the league does to try to help little Canucks along. We wouldn't even be killing a penalty there without league mitigation.

Bouchard absolutely deserved a penalty there. I called it the second I saw it. Again, maybe Nurse should think a bit harder. But it didn’t impact the game so we are ragging on the goalie for essentially 2GA, one of which he might have had a chance on.

 

[Missing smitty]

which were his fault yesterday?

The guy is clearly a random alt account, but you're just as bad as him the way you defend Skinner. They are not a bad team defensively and all you do is say nothing is his fault. 2 high danger chances and 3 pucks in the back of the net.

 

[Senor Catface]

The guy is clearly a random alt account, but you're just as bad as him the way you defend Skinner. They are not a bad team defensively and all you do is say nothing is his fault. 2 high danger chances and 3 pucks in the back of the net.

Maybe broberg speeds.

Only guy who likes saying gang so much.

 

[scotchtapejr]

which were his fault yesterday?

He and he alone cost us 2 Stanley cups now.

Anyone who is against Stuart Skinner is now under my protection on hfboards.

 

[KostinBjugstadJoensu]

which were his fault yesterday?

Other posters got to this before me so I'll refrain from the specifics. However, the point is that when you have the worst metrics of any goalie in the league, ripping on your team while they give up TWO hdsc is absurd. Again like others said, Oilers play a good defensive game last night in comparison to most nights. Patrick Roy can rip into his team. Stuart Skinner should be thankful our management team has been the most inept in the league at developing goaltenders otherwise he would be out of a job.

As @Drivesaitl noted, I should make it very clear. I respect and appreciate people who are overachieving their station in life by battling with and minimizing the effects anxiety has on them. I personally battle with it daily and am in a certainly worse station than Stuart Skinner in our society. However, this is the NHL--pinnacle of the sport and he is nowhere near meant for the position he is as a starting goaltender of the Edmonton Oilers. Not his fault he is there either.

Ripping into Skinner for being bad is an indictment on the organization, not the person himself...let's make that clear. Where I see an issue is him attacking his own teammates for poor performances when he is the epitome of poor performance.

 

[AM]

It’s one game.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

The guy is clearly a random alt account, but you're just as bad as him the way you defend Skinner. They are not a bad team defensively and all you do is say nothing is his fault. 2 high danger chances and 3 pucks in the back of the net.

huh? he hasn't been good enough and I don't defend him all the time

but Oiler fans have been scapegoating goaltending since the Talbot days

he literally gave up one "savable" goal last night and even that was from a fire-drill defensive sequence (3-2 goal)

 

[Louis Cypher]

Tehe.

I didn't just wake up in a 1 million dollar tear down either.

Good luck finding a tear down in Vancouver for $1m. Maybe Surrey or Langley.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

huh? he hasn't been good enough and I don't defend him all the time

but Oiler fans have been scapegoating goaltending since the Talbot days

he literally gave up one "savable" goal last night and even that was from a fire-drill defensive sequence (3-2 goal)

Skinner could give up a 5-on-0 goal and the cross would still be out because he didn’t take his man.

 

[BarDownBobo]

The guy is clearly a random alt account, but you're just as bad as him the way you defend Skinner. They are not a bad team defensively and all you do is say nothing is his fault. 2 high danger chances and 3 pucks in the back of the net.

This is why I’ve still got some major doubts about the accuracy of advanced stats especially concerning goaltenders. Vancouver scored on 3 absolutely grade A chances last night yet only 2 of them were considered high danger? I’d be fascinated to know which one of them wasn’t the high danger one.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

This is why I’ve still got some major doubts about the accuracy of advanced stats especially concerning goaltenders. Vancouver scored on 3 absolutely grade A chances last night yet only 2 of them were considered high danger? I’d be fascinated to know which one of them wasn’t the high danger one.

He also saved a high danger chance just before the 3-2 goal.

 

[Duke74]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1855488120050872359

What a f***ing beast Drai is

B...b...but, he's n-n-nuh...nothing without McJeezus. A powerplay merchant. A defensive liability. Chokes against playoff teams. Am I doing it right?

 

[Drivesaitl]

Bouchard absolutely deserved a penalty there. I called it the second I saw it. Again, maybe Nurse should think a bit harder. But it didn’t impact the game so we are ragging on the goalie for essentially 2GA, one of which he might have had a chance on.

Of course you did.

A goalie is there to make stops. Deflection was difficult. Other two were stoppable. But this is Skinner we're talking about. We know what he is. Mitigation because the Org is too lazy or inept to have found better. It keeps costing us.

He also saved a high danger chance just before the 3-2 goal.

The only HDSC save he made in 60minutes. Whoop.

A lot of goalies get a shutout on what the Oilers gave up last night.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Other posters got to this before me so I'll refrain from the specifics. However, the point is that when you have the worst metrics of any goalie in the league, ripping on your team while they give up TWO hdsc is absurd.

the first goal was a perfect tip...maybe the defense could make sure Petey wasn't wide open in front of the net?
the 2nd was the 4th line getting dummied on their own zone and allowing Hronek to just walk into the slot and rip one in from close range
the 3rd was Nurse batting it to the Nucks for some reason then them slipping it to a WIDE open Suter...not Skinner's fault

 

[McShogun99]

This. And I don’t buy into the argument that “well, skinner took us to game 7 of the finals!”. No. Skinner just happened to be the goalie that was in net when the rest of the team decided they wanted to make it to game 7. I think we get there even with Pickard in net.

Mcdavid, Draisaitl, Bouchard and our PK having historic playoff performances took us to game 7. We would have got there with practically any goalie in net.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

you literally started another account here to rip on Skinner

Fixed

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Of course you did.

A goalie is there to make stops. Deflection was difficult. Other two were stoppable. But this is Skinner we're talking about. We know what he is. Mitigation because the Org is too lazy or inept to have found better. It keeps costing us.


The only HDSC save he made in 60minutes. Whoop.

A lot of goalies get a shutout on what the Oilers gave up last night.

Again there’s a lot of factors going onto every GA that’s more than just “bad goalie”. Man I remember Nurse putting a couple in his own net during the playoffs.

HDSC are subjective, nor are they all created equal. A breakaway is counted as the same as a cross ice pass. There were more than 2HDSC for the Canucks, I don’t know who was counting.