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Confirmed Signing with Link: Oilers decline to match offer sheets for Broberg and Holloway
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stl76
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He’s a hell of a lot closer to 10th than 20th IMO. Just because the Blues have a deep prospect pool does not mean that he is not a very good prospect. Watch him at the WJC this year and let me know if your opinion changes at all.
As are the Oilers after getting two of their best young players poached for a second and third rounder.
For the extra 3rd rounder + prospect they got from St. Louis as "future considerations" = not matching the offer sheets
Nobody said they will never amount to anything. They are overpaid and Edmonton can't afford to be the ones overpaying. St. Louis can. That is all.
ColbyChaos
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The last 3 years the Oilers only lost to teams that won the cup (Colorado, Vegas, Florida).
Tampa was already running on fumes after 21&22 meanwhile Boston always tended to get eliminated the very next round after tucking their children to bed. No great team the leafs lost to even won a cup
Try again little bro.
The Oilers may have a target in mind which in their oppinion may be better than Ceci/Broberg....
At some point the Oilers needed to improve on the second line anyhow.
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This could not have happened to a better team or fan base. Well played, Blues.
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I agree. Edmonton also played this incredibly stupidly by a) not getting their RFAs locked up, and b) not making a trade instead of getting offer sheeted.
Lose Lose scenario
I think that nobody said that they will never amount to anything.
They are definitely overpaid, and they could amount to something or they may not.
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I wouldn’t be shocked if the Blues attempted a trade first but the cost was higher than they were willing to pay.
An overpayment is an overpayment.
having 1.7 mill in retained money on hayes, or having him buried in the AHL at 2.4 mill cap hit has the same negative impact as overpaying a younger player by the same amount.
It's ~$950K. Not enough to do anything right now without moving players out. It would be enough to add a contract worth ~$4.5m at the TDL.
I don't think a trade is won or lost at the time of the trade. For StL, they are banking on what they will get from these 2 going forward. They aren't paying them for what they have done in the past since that does nothing for them.. They are paying for what they are hoping they will become as early as next year. These 2 aren't the Averys or Marchands of the hockey world. They seem like good guys and I sincerely wish them well. They made their choices and I honestly wish them well with lots of success in StL, as an Oiler fan. Hell, if Broberg plays lights out, they may have underpaid in terms of salary. Nobody knows yet.
I also don't think the Oilers won or lost this trade right now either. How happy either player was in Edmonton is speculative. Holloway likely looked at the depth in Edmonton and saw that a healthy team had him the 4th line LW. At this stage he needed more but it didn't exist in Edmonton. His new salary was simply too high for a 4LW when building the team in the cap world. Broberg seemed to sour on Edmonton more though and I get that too. It seemed kind of likely that he would play the right side. When Edmonton traded Ceci and not Kulak, it seemed more obvious from that point on for sure that Broberg was going to play the right side, a side he reportedly didn't like playing. At that point I assume he hoped Edmonton wouldn't match. I don't think he would develop into the player he hopes to be on his off side and I assume neither did he.
This situation's winner and loser won't be known for a year or 2. What did Broberg and Holloway become in StL and what did Edmonton do with the cap space and picks. Nobody overpaid for results that haven't even happened yet. The last thing in this novel ties into what is rumored to be going on in Edmonton. It is rumored that McD, Bouchard and Draisaitl would all take less if all 3 were willing. Matching these 2 offer sheets went against what they are hoping to do as an organization. The optics are better in the end for this all to play out.
I also don't think the Oilers won or lost this trade right now either. How happy either player was in Edmonton is speculative. Holloway likely looked at the depth in Edmonton and saw that a healthy team had him the 4th line LW. At this stage he needed more but it didn't exist in Edmonton. His new salary was simply too high for a 4LW when building the team in the cap world. Broberg seemed to sour on Edmonton more though and I get that too. It seemed kind of likely that he would play the right side. When Edmonton traded Ceci and not Kulak, it seemed more obvious from that point on for sure that Broberg was going to play the right side, a side he reportedly didn't like playing. At that point I assume he hoped Edmonton wouldn't match. I don't think he would develop into the player he hopes to be on his off side and I assume neither did he.
This situation's winner and loser won't be known for a year or 2. What did Broberg and Holloway become in StL and what did Edmonton do with the cap space and picks. Nobody overpaid for results that haven't even happened yet. The last thing in this novel ties into what is rumored to be going on in Edmonton. It is rumored that McD, Bouchard and Draisaitl would all take less if all 3 were willing. Matching these 2 offer sheets went against what they are hoping to do as an organization. The optics are better in the end for this all to play out.
Blues tried to trade for Broberg at the trade deadline with an offer centered around Buchnevich. Edmonton said no.
The $945k in cap space can accrue until TDL to be about $4-5million; then they can go after someone like David Savard, Connor Murphy, or Shea Theodore (if VGK is struggling) while leaving space for Kane to return from LTIR. If they use up all of the space now then they have to shed salary around the TDL and use up more assets.
And like I have also said, Edmonton is also incredibly stupid for letting it get to this point.
Dumping Ceci earlier could have dissuaded an offer sheet in the first place.
Simply signing them to the very reasonable contracts they were asking for.
Or trading them instead of getting offer sheeted.
It appears edmonton used some leverage, perhaps threatening to match, if St Louis did not sweeten the pot further with the pick + prospect.
But in all, lose lose situation where both teams could have gotten a better outcome.
Yet it's odd that Nurse was a -9 in the playoffs while Broberg was a +7.
Nurse with the Corsi relative to teammates at -12 (awful). 12 giveaways to 3 takeaways.
Broberg with Corsi relative of -9 with same 44% Ozone starts as Nurse.
So I guess the puck goes into Edmonton's net with Nurse is out there and into the other teams net with Broberg is out there. That is a strange amount of puck luck.
It's also clear Nurse sucks. And now with no Ceci and no Broberg... You'll be playing him more. Ekholm too. He's 35 so good luck getting him to the playoffs with a lot of health and energy.
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97% OiSV% for Broberg. There's your answer, unless you want to argue that's a reasonable thing to expect for the rest of his career.
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Podz and Emberson are AHLers.
Knob coached Emberson so he knows something we don't
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DingerMcSlapshot
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Looking over their shoulder from who? Oilers? When they have Bouchard and Draisaitl to re sign? Lmao
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